SoWhenDidThisHappen??

[Hitch]

It been fashionable lately for futurists to call up some passage and demand to know when the fulfillment took place in history, also implied in the demand is a literal application of the terms, specifically, celestial signs, and terms such as for ever.

With that in mind;

Isaiah 34

1Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.
2For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.
3Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.

Which mountains were melted?

4And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, Hmmm When were the stars dissolved? More importantly since we can see then today,When were the stars re-created?

and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll:
Wow Seems like someone would have noticed this ,do you literalists have any accounts of this fantastic event ?

and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
5For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
6The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.
7And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
8For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
9And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.

So the land of Idumea became burning pitch,somebody please, show me how this was accomplished, did it ever turn back into land?

10It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever:
Ooops never mind I see the land that turned into pitch is still burning. Why is it we never see this in todays headlines? For Ever means for ever ,,,right?

from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.

 

[Stormcrow]

"You're just a tool of Satan, you filthy preterist!"

(Was I convincing???) :D

 

[Hitch]

Dental tool


"Is it safe??"

 

[Sinthesis]

Dental tool


"Is it safe??"

So now you're an anti-anesthetic anti-Semitic tool?

 

[Elijah674]

It been fashionable lately for futurists to call up some passage and demand to know when the fulfillment took place in history, also implied in the demand is a literal application of the terms, specifically, celestial signs, and terms such as for ever.

With that in mind;

Isaiah 34

1Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.
2For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.
3Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.

Which mountains were melted?

4And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, Hmmm When were the stars dissolved? More importantly since we can see then today,When were the stars re-created?

and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll:
Wow Seems like someone would have noticed this ,do you literalists have any accounts of this fantastic event ?

and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
5For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
6The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.
7And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
8For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
9And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.

So the land of Idumea became burning pitch,somebody please, show me how this was accomplished, did it ever turn back into land?

10It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever:
Ooops never mind I see the land that turned into pitch is still burning. Why is it we never see this in todays headlines? For Ever means for ever ,,,right?

from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.

Hi, good questions . Surely Hell will find and END as in Obad. 1:16 & Mal. 4:1-4+ Nahum 1:9! (and what do [you] IMAGINE AGAINST THE LORD?

And this has NOT HAPPENED YET, for God has it Prophesied & stated to BE THE END of all evil & EVIL DOERS. If you 'Believe' prophecy (Christ's WORD!) you can see the exact 'BLUEPRINT' from the start to the finish of God's plan given in Jer. 4:21-27. Just forget all the stuff that your hear from the Jer. 17:5 ones!

Even note in verse 27 of Jer. 4 that God [documents] that He will not make a [full END!] Yet, in verse 25 we see stated that there was [NO MAN]! + 23 with NO Light or heavens! And who of mankind could live in those conditions? (No one of mankind!)

OK: who was here when God created earth other than satan & his crew in or near, the Garden of Eden? Rev. 20:1-3 finds him once again here with NO MAN for 1000 years!

Now: I will not make a FULL END, that is only part of it, when Christ comes the Second Time, only the DEAD SAVED are resurected & are caught up with those who are the living saved (these only are changed in the twinkling of an eye) and go back with Christ to heaven & will not return to earth until 1000 years are over.

All the wicked are DEAD, slain at Christ Second Coming. And Earth will be as stated here in Jer. 4 untile the 1000 years are over. All of these dead + satan and the evil angels are to be judged as to the executional stage of length of 'time' for their sufferings. Luke 12:47-48 (see 1 Cor. 6:2-3)

At the End of the 1000 years Christ & the Saved ones return to earth and it is then that all the wicked will be resurected to die their second death. Then the Earth will be recreated along with its New heavens!


--Elijah

 

[Hitch]

Wow the rousing defense of literalism was astounding.

 

[warhorse]

It been fashionable lately for futurists to call up some passage and demand to know when the fulfillment took place in history, also implied in the demand is a literal application of the terms, specifically, celestial signs, and terms such as for ever.

With that in mind;

Isaiah 34

1Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.
2For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.
3Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.

Which mountains were melted?


4And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, Hmmm When were the stars dissolved? More importantly since we can see then today,When were the stars re-created?


and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll:
Wow Seems like someone would have noticed this ,do you literalists have any accounts of this fantastic event ?


and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
5For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
6The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.
7And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
8For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
9And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.

So the land of Idumea became burning pitch,somebody please, show me how this was accomplished, did it ever turn back into land?

10It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever:
Ooops never mind I see the land that turned into pitch is still burning. Why is it we never see this in todays headlines? For Ever means for ever ,,,right?


from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.

i'll bite...I do not believe this is a fullfilled prophacy yet.

 

[Hitch]

You need to inform the Idumeans. Right away!

 

[warhorse]

You need to inform the Idumeans. Right away!

So we have a real conundrum here, the native idumeans are gone, yet the eternal events are not currently taking place. So either 1) it accurred and the eternal events are spiritual in nature, or 2) God said that his sword would be to idumea the land itself, And the peaple of his curse, And it has not happened yet. hmmm i pick # 2
Isa 34v5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon IDUMEA, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.

 

[Hitch]

So we have a real conundrum here, the native idumeans are gone, yet the eternal events are not currently taking place. So either 1) it accurred and the eternal events are spiritual in nature, or 2) God said that his sword would be to idumea the land itself, And the peaple of his curse, And it has not happened yet. hmmm i pick # 2
Isa 34v5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon IDUMEA, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.

No you have a conundrum .

 

[warhorse]

No you have a conundrum .

Nah pick #2 works good for me. i am happy with it, it fits well with other scripture that points to massive destruction in this region to come, the 6th seal, the vulteres gathered etc...

 

[Sinthesis]

7And the unicorns shall come down with them...​

So instead of interpreting this figuratively, you'd rather wait until you see literal unicorns dying? Good luck with that.

 

[Stormcrow]

7And the unicorns shall come down with them...​

So instead of interpreting this figuratively, you'd rather wait until you see literal unicorns dying? Good luck with that.

Unicorns? Nah...those are pink ponies with glitter in their manes that trail rainbows as they run. :o

 

[n2thelight]

So why are we still in flesh bodies?

 

[Hitch]

So why are we still in flesh bodies?

Please keep to topic.

 

[Sam21]

It been fashionable lately for futurists to call up some passage and demand to know when the fulfillment took place in history, also implied in the demand is a literal application of the terms, specifically, celestial signs, and terms such as for ever.

With that in mind;

Isaiah 34

1Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.
2For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.
3Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.

Which mountains were melted?

4And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, Hmmm When were the stars dissolved? More importantly since we can see then today,When were the stars re-created?

and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll:
Wow Seems like someone would have noticed this ,do you literalists have any accounts of this fantastic event ?

and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
5For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
6The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.
7And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
8For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
9And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.

So the land of Idumea became burning pitch,somebody please, show me how this was accomplished, did it ever turn back into land?

10It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever:
Ooops never mind I see the land that turned into pitch is still burning. Why is it we never see this in todays headlines? For Ever means for ever ,,,right?

from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.

Your attempts at wisdom are ridiculous. A mountain(hill in that country) melted with blood would simply be a description of a battle like the one where Saul and his sons were defeated(the hill would have blood all over it). Humans often times describe things in metaphoric terms. Something can be literal with metaphoric emphasis(duh). The disolving of the stars is also recorded in Matt and Rev, it will occur when Christ returns. Peter said that the heaven would be rolled up like a scroll also, that will happen at the real end of the age when the heaven satan dwells in will be removed. The land of Idumea becoming burning pitch is literal and future . You do have one thing right,the word shortly is the word shortly...all the rest of the bible is a closed book to you.

 

[Hitch]

Your attempts at wisdom are ridiculous. A mountain(hill in that country) melted with blood would simply be a description of a battle like the one where Saul and his sons were defeated(the hill would have blood all over it). Humans often times describe things in metaphoric terms. Something can be literal with metaphoric emphasis(duh). The disolving of the stars is also recorded in Matt and Rev, it will occur when Christ returns. Peter said that the heaven would be rolled up like a scroll also, that will happen at the real end of the age when the heaven satan dwells in will be removed. The land of Idumea becoming burning pitch is literal and future . You do have one thing right,the word shortly is the word shortly...all the rest of the bible is a closed book to you.

LOL@Sam

 

[Sam21]

Unicorns? Nah...those are pink ponies with glitter in their manes that trail rainbows as they run. :o

The word translated UNICORN in the OT was simply refering to a WILD BULL,sorry but your idea of a pink pony is all BULL. You do understand that the OT never says the beast translated unicorn was a horse or had one horn,this was an idea created much later by people, it could have been rino.

 

[reba]

Hitch didn't you grow up understanding how to rightly divide the Word of God?

 

[Sinthesis]

The word translated UNICORN in the OT was simply refering to a WILD BULL,sorry but your idea of a pink pony is all BULL. You do understand that the OT never says the beast translated unicorn was a horse or had one horn,this was an idea created much later by people, it could have been rino.

Num 23:22 - God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn7214.
Num 24:8 - God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn7214: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce [them] through with his arrows.
Deu 33:17 - His glory [is like] the firstling of his bullock, and his horns [are like] the horns of unicorns7214: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they [are] the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they [are] the thousands of Manasseh.
Job 39:9 - Will the unicorn7214 be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?
Job 39:10 - Canst thou bind the unicorn7214 with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?
Psa 22:21 - Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns7214.
Psa 29:6 - He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn7214.
Psa 92:10 - But my horn shalt thou exalt like [the horn of] an unicorn7214: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.
Isa 34:7 - And the unicorns7214 shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.​

Strong's H7214 - rĕ'em - רְאֵם
1) probably the great aurochs or wild bulls which are now extinct. The exact meaning is not known.

I'm sure you're correct in that God will judge the Idumeans (whomever they are) by killing all their rhinoceroses (whatever they are) and that it (whatever it is) hasn't happened yet.

It must be difficult being such a literalist in an ambiguous world.