SoWhenDidThisHappen??

[Sam21]

I think it is a dangerous practice to try to explain away all scripture. Yes, some of the scripture is metephorical, but there is also a lot of events that were literally fullfilled in spectacular fashon. This is one of those events, as is splitting of Mt of olives that has clearly not seen a literal fullfillment, and any spiritual fullfillment is speculitive at best. I feel its best in these situations to reserve judgement and look for a literal fullfillment. later on i will ask Jesus myself. Ask yourself this, if my faith is so strong why do i feel the need to explain away all scripture.

I believe you just explained preterism,it seems to be a lack of faith in God,kind of like the bumbling senile grandfather who is saying things that just could not be true and is an embarrassment,so the preterist feels the need to explain away many of the things God said by simply pretending that they already happened. Why don't they ever just present historic proof that the things they say happened, have indeed happened? It was prophecied that the Messiah would come and be born in Bethlehem,that He would ride a donkey into Jerusalem at a certain time,that He would die with the rich and wicked,on and on...it is literal historic fact that those prophecies were fulfilled,so where are your literal historic proofs that what you claim has occured,has indeed occured? We tend to scoff and make fun of someone who gives a date of when Christ will return because of the incredibility of such a position, how much more ridiculous it becomes when someone claims that it already occured, the world just missed it!!!

 

[Hitch]

I think it is a dangerous practice to try to explain away all scripture. Yes, some of the scripture is metephorical, but there is also a lot of events that were literally fullfilled in spectacular fashon. This is one of those events, as is splitting of Mt of olives that has clearly not seen a literal fullfillment, and any spiritual fullfillment is speculitive at best. I feel its best in these situations to reserve judgement and look for a literal fullfillment. later on i will ask Jesus myself. Ask yourself this, if my faith is so strong why do i feel the need to explain away all scripture (except when Jesus says 'last day' or 'this generation ' of course ).

What is best is to rely on scripture . And its not hard to find hyperbole from the prophets to Jesus himself.

 

[Sam21]

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What is best is to rely on scripture . And its not hard to find hyperbole from the prophets to Jesus himself.

The hyperbole is mostly coming from you and not the scriptures. If you want to understand the bible then take in the way humans have always communicated...literal with metaphoric emphasis.

 

[Hitch]

The hyperbole is mostly coming from you and not the scriptures. If you want to understand the bible then take in the way humans have always communicated...literal with metaphoric emphasis.

Like this?


. Originally Posted by Sam21
In the case of people such as yourself,no, I do not believe that God is able to communicate with you. The second return of Christ is the most dynamic event in the history of the world according to the bible,yet you chose to believe that it came and went without secular or religious history even recording it...totally absurd .

Quote me saying that Sam, you could sure clear things up

To be fair,to the prophets, Sam's post inst all hyperbole, the bold is an out and out lie, thats not the same. Now the underscored is hyperbole, Sam doesnt really believe God is limited in His abilities.

Poor Sam

 

[Sam21]

Like this?


. Originally Posted by Sam21
In the case of people such as yourself,no, I do not believe that God is able to communicate with you. The second return of Christ is the most dynamic event in the history of the world according to the bible,yet you chose to believe that it came and went without secular or religious history even recording it...totally absurd .

Quote me saying that Sam, you could sure clear things up

To be fair,to the prophets, Sam's post inst really hyperbole, it is an out and out lie, thats not the same.

Poor Sam

I will make it easy on you,has the second return of Christ occured?...here is you big chance to prove I have misrepresented your agenda,just admit that you are still waiting for the return of Christ described in Matt 24 and you have proven that I have indeed misrepresented you and I will humbly apologize.

 

[Hitch]

I will make it easy on you,has the second return of Christ occured?..{

No...

.here is you big chance to prove I have misrepresented your agenda,just admit that you are still waiting for the return of Christ described in Matt 24 and you have proven that I have indeed misrepresented you and I will humbly apologize.

Originally Posted by Sam21
In the case of people such as yourself,no, I do not believe that God is able to communicate with you. The second return of Christ is the most dynamic event in the history of the world according to the bible,yet you chose to believe that it came and went without secular or religious history even recording it...totally absurd .

Quote me saying that Sam, you could sure clear things up

In reality Sam its up to the accuser to prove anything, you failed. I've logged over 2,000 posts and you havent been able to fine one to support your lying claim. You should be ashamed of yourself.

And for the record I included Sam's highlighted post above and asked him four or five times to quote me on the subject in bold pink before I marked him a liar in # 44..:toofunny

 

[warhorse]

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What is best is to rely on scripture . And its not hard to find hyperbole from the prophets to Jesus himself.

Well there is certainly room for metephorical fullfillment of some scripture. but we cant just label an event fullfilled because we dream up, some form of spiritual fullfillment. Hystoricly speaking there has been an emence list of literally fullfilled prophacy established. But to say that Eze 34 is complete is pure speculation.

 

[Hitch]

Well there is certainly room for metephorical fullfillment of some scripture. but we cant just label an event fullfilled because we dream up, some form of spiritual fullfillment. Hystoricly speaking there has been an emence list of literally fullfilled prophacy established. But to say that Eze 34 is complete is pure speculation.

7Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof. 8O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.
9Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

Its doubtful the Edomites thought this a 'spiritual fulfillment' .
And neither is Isa 34 an isolated incident, that type of description is common.

 

[warhorse]

Its doubtful the Edomites thought this a 'spiritual fulfillment' .
And neither is Isa 34 an isolated incident, that type of description is common.

My bad Isa 34, Again my point is that speculation leads to poor study habits. and poorer conclusions. Many of those prophetic sayings in Isaiah are repeated right up to revelation leaving one to believe that they are/were not yet fullfilled.

 

[Hitch]

My bad Isa 34, Again my point is that speculation leads to poor study habits. and poorer conclusions. Many of those prophetic sayings in Isaiah are repeated right up to revelation

Duh, all if Israel's history pre-figures the church, you're not DF you already know that

leaving one to believe that they are/were not yet fullfilled.

As you say,poor conclusion.

 

[Sam21]

No... Originally Posted by Sam21
In the case of people such as yourself,no, I do not believe that God is able to communicate with you. The second return of Christ is the most dynamic event in the history of the world according to the bible,yet you chose to believe that it came and went without secular or religious history even recording it...totally absurd .

Quote me saying that Sam, you could sure clear things up

In reality Sam its up to the accuser to prove anything, you failed. I've logged over 2,000 posts and you havent been able to fine one to support your lying claim. You should be ashamed of yourself.

And for the record I included Sam's highlighted post above and asked him four or five times to quote me on the subject in bold pink before I marked him a liar in # 44..:toofunny

You are always a step behind,I never claimed to QUOTE you(read the post),I said that you chose to believe that it(return of Christ)came and went without secular or religious history even recording it...so you DO believe that Jesus is coming according to Matt 24 to gather the believers, and that it is FUTURE...glad to hear it. Many of your posts left the impression that you were preterist and believed that the return of Christ in Matt24 had already occured,I am glad to hear that you DO NOT BELIEVE THAT!

 

[Lehigh3]

You are always a step behind,I never claimed to QUOTE you(read the post),I said that you chose to believe that it(return of Christ)came and went without secular or religious history even recording it...so you DO believe that Jesus is coming according to Matt 24 to gather the believers, and that it is FUTURE...glad to hear it. Many of your posts left the impression that you were preterist and believed that the return of Christ in Matt24 had already occured,I am glad to hear that you DO NOT BELIEVE THAT!

I'm still waiting for Scriptural proof, in Jesus' words, that say He would return physically - And, what He said He was going to do when he returned.

No symbolism or obscure verses. Jesus' plain words only. Thank you.

No futurist has answered my question in several days here! :

 

[Hitch]

You are always a step behind,I never claimed to QUOTE you(read the post)

AND I NEVER CLAIMED THAT YOU DID LIAR

,I said that you chose to believe that it(return of Christ)came and went without secular or religious history even recording it...so you DO believe that Jesus is coming according to Matt 24 to gather the believers, and that it is FUTURE...glad to hear it. Many of your posts left the impression that you were preterist and believed that the return of Christ in Matt24 had already occured,I am glad to hear that you DO NOT BELIEVE THAT!

:biglol I knew you werent man enough :toofunny

 

[jasoncran]

this thread is locked. i see no need to allow this any longer. take a break and consider who christ was and what he said how treat each other.