Specific threats to Christians about losing eternal life!

[John Zain]

Matt 10:39 • He who loses his old sinful life for Jesus sake will find eternal life.
Matt 16:24-26 • Deny (lose) your old sinful life and follow Jesus to find eternal life.
Mark 11:25-26 • If you do not forgive everyone, Father God will not forgive your sins.
John 12:25 • He who hates his life in this world will keep his life for eternity.
Rom 8:13 • Follow the Spirit and put to death the works of the flesh to gain eternal life.
1 Cor 6:9-10 • People committing these sins will not inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Cor 15:2 • You are saved, if you hold fast to the word, unless you believed in vain.
2 Cor 7:10 • Godly sorrow leads Christians to repent, leading to salvation.
2 Cor 13:5 • Examine yourself to see if you are in the faith, unless you are disqualified.
Gal 5:19-21 • Believers who practice such sins will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 6:7-8 • Sowing to the flesh reaps corruption; sowing to the Spirit reaps eternal life.
Eph 5:3-6 • Disobedient believers committing such sins will incur the wrath of God.
Col 3:5-6 • Disobedient believers committing such sins will incur the wrath of God.
1 Tim 5:11-12 • Some believers are condemed because they have cast off their first faith.
Heb 2:1-4 • How shall we escape, if we drift away and neglect so great a salvation?
Heb 3:14 • Partakers of Christ hold the beginning of their confidence steadfast to the end.
Heb 6:4-8 • Those partakers of the Holy Spirit who fall away will be rejected and burned.
Heb 10:26-27 • Believers who sin willfully can expect God’s fiery judgment.
Heb 10:36-39 • Endure in the faith, and do not be like those who draw back to perdition.
Heb 12:14 • Pursue holiness, without which no one will see the Lord.
1 Pet 1:8-9 • Believing, you will receive the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls.
2 Pet 1:10-11 • Be diligent to make your call and election sure, gaining the kingdom.
2 Pet 2:20-22 • A believer who returns to his sins is worse off than he was before.
Rev 2-3 • All 7 churches are warned to repent and be overcomers to be:
given the crown of life, clothed in white garments, a pillar in the temple of God,
not hurt by the second death, etc.
Rev 21:7-8 • People committing these sins will go into the lake of fire (the second death).
Rev 21:27 • People committing these sins will not enter the New Jerusalem.
Rev 22:14-15 • People committing these sins will not enter the New Jerusalem.

666 … Romans (the 6th NT book) 6:6
“… our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin
might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.”
Yup ... might and should ... just about wraps it up!
Yup ... gotta pay close attention to every word!

In the NT, we have this incredible mixture of:
• Blessings
• Explanations
• Exhortations
• Warnings that the Blessings are conditional

 

[Knotical]

...and what sins are you suggesting would cause a Christian to lose their salvation?

 

[smaller]

Matt 10:39 • He who loses his old sinful life for Jesus sake will find eternal life.
Matt 16:24-26 • Deny (lose) your old sinful life and follow Jesus to find eternal life.
Mark 11:25-26 • If you do not forgive everyone, Father God will not forgive your sins.
John 12:25 • He who hates his life in this world will keep his life for eternity.
Rom 8:13 • Follow the Spirit and put to death the works of the flesh to gain eternal life.
1 Cor 6:9-10 • People committing these sins will not inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Cor 15:2 • You are saved, if you hold fast to the word, unless you believed in vain.
2 Cor 7:10 • Godly sorrow leads Christians to repent, leading to salvation.
2 Cor 13:5 • Examine yourself to see if you are in the faith, unless you are disqualified.
Gal 5:19-21 • Believers who practice such sins will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 6:7-8 • Sowing to the flesh reaps corruption; sowing to the Spirit reaps eternal life.
Eph 5:3-6 • Disobedient believers committing such sins will incur the wrath of God.
Col 3:5-6 • Disobedient believers committing such sins will incur the wrath of God.
1 Tim 5:11-12 • Some believers are condemed because they have cast off their first faith.
Heb 2:1-4 • How shall we escape, if we drift away and neglect so great a salvation?
Heb 3:14 • Partakers of Christ hold the beginning of their confidence steadfast to the end.
Heb 6:4-8 • Those partakers of the Holy Spirit who fall away will be rejected and burned.
Heb 10:26-27 • Believers who sin willfully can expect God’s fiery judgment.
Heb 10:36-39 • Endure in the faith, and do not be like those who draw back to perdition.
Heb 12:14 • Pursue holiness, without which no one will see the Lord.
1 Pet 1:8-9 • Believing, you will receive the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls.
2 Pet 1:10-11 • Be diligent to make your call and election sure, gaining the kingdom.
2 Pet 2:20-22 • A believer who returns to his sins is worse off than he was before.
Rev 2-3 • All 7 churches are warned to repent and be overcomers to be:
given the crown of life, clothed in white garments, a pillar in the temple of God,
not hurt by the second death, etc.
Rev 21:7-8 • People committing these sins will go into the lake of fire (the second death).
Rev 21:27 • People committing these sins will not enter the New Jerusalem.
Rev 22:14-15 • People committing these sins will not enter the New Jerusalem.

666 … Romans (the 6th NT book) 6:6
“… our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin
might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.”

Yup ... might and should ... just about wraps it up!
Yup ... gotta pay close attention to every word!

In the NT we have this incredible mixture of:
• Blessings
• Explanations
• Exhortations
• Warnings that the Blessings are conditional

Your morbid extraction of those scriptures to the intent of eternal damnation is NON EXISTING.

Can a believer 'sin' or even become blinded again by Satan in their life?

sure.

Does that mean they are going to be eternally roasted?

Uh, no.

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[John Zain]

...and what sins are you suggesting would cause a Christian to lose their salvation?

These would be a nice start ... and quite enough to keep you busy for a while ...
http://www.christianforums.net/showthread.php?t=52040

 

[Knotical]

These would be a nice start ... and quite enough to keep you busy for a while ...

Try actually stating what you are talking about, instead of linking to a thread where people have already refuted one of your previous arguments.

 

[reba]

The Cross of Christ is bigger then my sin

 

[Butch5]

...and what sins are you suggesting would cause a Christian to lose their salvation?

Here are a few.

7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Rev 21:7-8 KJV)

 

[John Zain]

The Cross of Christ is bigger then my sin

Sure, of course, it is.
But, it doesn't stop you from abandoning the faith, walking away,
running away (as some have done), rejecting it, etc.

God gave you the free gift of grace-faith-salvation (Eph 2:8-9).
But, it is cancelled, if you cancel your faith.
It all depends if you stay in the faith.

Note:
Everyone takes this so personally.
But, it is a general charge ...
Is it possible for a BAC to lose interest, lose faith, and walk?

Evidently, you join with the OSAS people ... and say NO.

Then, why all of the warnings about LOSING eternal life?

 

[reba]

Is the Cross bigger then your sin? you said " of course"
Now I will make the same assumption you did

Evidently, you join with the OSAS people ... and say NO.

 

[Knotical]

So far, John Zain, you have not identified how or why someone would "lose" their salvation. All you have done is quote scripture that vaguely supports your position. Care to cut to the chase?

 

[farouk]

The point is, rather, that those who continue in a life of sin, whatever they might have once professed, are unlikely to have been truly born again in the first place.

Ephesians 2.10 is also relevant. Behaving like a Christian is evidence of being a Christian. Not that that likely non-Christians who don't live like Christians, either, were once Christians.

 

[George Muller]

...and what sins are you suggesting would cause a Christian to lose their salvation?

Here are a few.

7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Rev 21:7-8 KJV)

Glad there is no "christians" in the group;
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
19 ¶ Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

1Co 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

 

[George Muller]

Your morbid extraction of those scriptures to the intent of eternal damnation

According to the Royal Law, there is no greater sin for a believer than to seek to condemn other believers. I agree, some seem to have a hunger to condemn other believers? We know this cannot be of Christ.

Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Jas 4:11 ¶ Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

(KJV)

 

[George Muller]

• Warnings that the Blessings are conditional

Ro 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

2Co 1:20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.
yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

 

[Butch5]

...and what sins are you suggesting would cause a Christian to lose their salvation?

Here are a few.

7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Rev 21:7-8 KJV)

Glad there is no "christians" in the group;
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
19 ¶ Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

1Co 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Oh, Christians can't do any of those things, huh?

Ok, so, Hebrews 10 and 1 Cor. 6 cancel what Jesus said in Rev 21, so I guess we can erase all of these passage from the Scriptures, right?

Ok, so, if Paul is correct and Jesus is wrong, I guess everyone should follow Paul instead of Jesus, right? Everyone who wants to be saved should become Paulians, right? Are you going to do that?

 

[John Zain]

So far, John Zain, you have not identified how or why someone would "lose" their salvation.
All you have done is quote scripture that vaguely supports your position.
Care to cut to the chase?

Nope! Don't care to ... I'll just quote Scripture.

 

[John Zain]

Behaving like a Christian is evidence of being a Christian.

You might consider taking a course in logic.

How about ...
Not behaving like a Christian is evidence of not being a Christian.

E.G. Have you ever behaved how a Christian should not behave?

 

[Danus]

**** We have enough threads warning people about loosing salvation **** This one is closed for further review of it's continued value.

 

[Knotical]

Nope! Don't care to ... I'll just quote Scripture.

So, your plan is to randomly quote scripture without ever coming to a point? Good to know.