Spell Casting Tailor-made Prayers to counter the evil?

[jonahmano]

We very well known that people of pagan religions do spell prayers and claim to get their work done. One my friend gave me a prayer booklet from a pastor who does deliverance ministry.

And those prayers are very well prepared with Word of God (Just like Jesus dealt with pointing the Word of God when Satan tempted Him)attached at different places to be spoken out loud for different problems we face in our day to day activities. Like prayers for confessions, Prayers for Blessing and Favor, Breaking Curses and Casting Out Generational Spirits, Dis-annulling Ungodly Covenants, likewise

My question is if it is ok to say these prayers loud and counter the evil or is it going to be a deception or spiritual adultery? Because I feel it's exactly like casting spells against the devil.

 

[for_his_glory]

Luke 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Luke 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

Act 19:13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
Act 19:14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
Act 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
Act 19:16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.


I truly do not believe in a deliverance ministry as we all have that power and authority from Christ to cast out that which needs not to be there as long as we are Spiritually born again by that of Gods Holy Spirit, John 3:3-7. God gave us His power and authority through his grace and it is that power and authority we call out those things in the name of Jesus as there is nothing we can do of ourselves. When you compare that of Luke and Acts you see that in Luke those demons were subject unto the seventy as Christ sent them out with all power and authority, but in Acts these vagabond Jews had no power or authority and only used Jesus name and this is why the demons consumed them.

Hand written prayers are good for a guideline of how to pray, but no hand written prayer is going to do anything if your heart is not right with the Lord.

 

[jonahmano]

Luke 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Luke 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

Act 19:13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
Act 19:14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
Act 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
Act 19:16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.


I truly do not believe in a deliverance ministry as we all have that power and authority from Christ to cast out that which needs not to be there as long as we are Spiritually born again by that of Gods Holy Spirit, John 3:3-7. God gave us His power and authority through his grace and it is that power and authority we call out those things in the name of Jesus as there is nothing we can do of ourselves. When you compare that of Luke and Acts you see that in Luke those demons were subject unto the seventy as Christ sent them out with all power and authority, but in Acts these vagabond Jews had no power or authority and only used Jesus name and this is why the demons consumed them.

Hand written prayers are good for a guideline of how to pray, but no hand written prayer is going to do anything if your heart is not right with the Lord.

So do you mean hand-written prayers do work if we are right with God?

Can hand-written prayers be called counter spell casts because what the heathen do in the name of their gods, we do exact opposite using prayers and Word of God.

 

[Gary]

Hand written prayers are good for a guideline of how to pray, but no hand written prayer is going to do anything if your heart is not right with the Lord.

Those are my thoughts also. To me, scripted prayers are just a form of lip service. If your heart's not in it, the Lord's not listening.
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[Deborah13]

Jesus said that His followers could do what He did there is power in the words we speak. I don't think anyone will see the full Holy Spirit power in their lives until they learn to bridle the tongue. In other words control every word they speak.

 

[agua.]

Man to do that I'll need to keep my mouth closed. :x

 

[Obadiah]

LOL

Man to do that I'll need to keep my mouth closed. :x

LOL! Me too!

 

[Edward]

Whoa. me too. that is my stumbling block, my mouth. I do try to keep a bridle on it but it just flows sometimes, blah.

So do you mean hand-written prayers do work if we are right with God?

Can hand-written prayers be called counter spell casts because what the heathen do in the name of their gods, we do exact opposite using prayers and Word of God.

No. They are not spells, that would be witchcraft. These are prayers. and the most effective tool that a Christian has, a direct line to the throne room of the Almighty God. Where are you getting this idea at? Did you come up with this question yourself, or did another tell you that they were spells?

It's also one of the pieces of the Armor of God. I do think that handwritten prayers can be very effective if ones heart is in it and right with God like was noted.

 

[WIP]

Those are my thoughts also. To me, scripted prayers are just a form of lip service. If your heart's not in it, the Lord's not listening.
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Can a general statement like this really cover it all? I'm thinking of the penned prayers called the book of Psalms. I do understand your point though. I left the church in my later teens because growing up in the Catholic church I was not taught how to pray. I was only taught a few specific prayers that I had to memorize and they became exactly as you describe, "lip service." Our liturgy became mundane and pointless to me. Prayer and Christian life had no meaning for me anymore.

It was later in life when I finally realized how to pray and to whom I was praying! The great, powerful, all knowing, all seeing, all powerful, all understanding, all forgiving, almighty God. Now, prayer takes on a whole new meaning, even prayer that I read from the written word.

 

[for_his_glory]

So do you mean hand-written prayers do work if we are right with God?

Can hand-written prayers be called counter spell casts because what the heathen do in the name of their gods, we do exact opposite using prayers and Word of God.

Philippians 4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
This doesn't say prayer and supplication that is hand written, it says your request or other words what you are praying for.

If you are reading a prayer from a piece of paper that is all you are doing as it is not from the heart and is only vain repetition. In Matthew Jesus gave an example how to pray after a certain manner, but the Lords prayer is more for self giving thanksgiving to God.

When I first went to Church in my teen years their was something called a sinners prayer that I repeated from a piece of paper and I thought that was all I had to do to be saved. I knew nothing of John 3:3-7 and Romans 10:9,10 and was only mouthing the words and not praying from my heart. (vain repition)

Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Mat 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

 

[for_his_glory]

Jesus said that His followers could do what He did there is power in the words we speak. I don't think anyone will see the full Holy Spirit power in their lives until they learn to bridle the tongue. In other words control every word they speak.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

The words we speak are according to the power that Christ has given us and not of our own power or authority. Example of that was with the vagabond Jews who thought they could cast out demons and look what happened to them, Acts 19:13-16. I for one know and have seen that full power of the Holy Spirit working in me and through me. Do I always bridle my tongue, no, as I am also human and do get into the flesh at times, but quick to repent when I do.

 

[Vaccine]

I can see how someone could can see similarities between prayers and spells since they seem to have the same function. There are many important differences though. Spells rely on the power of the 'words' themselves or the power of the 'person' saying them or some other 'god'. Prayer relies on the power of God of the bible.

 

[jonahmano]

Whoa. me too. that is my stumbling block, my mouth. I do try to keep a bridle on it but it just flows sometimes, blah.



No. They are not spells, that would be witchcraft. These are prayers. and the most effective tool that a Christian has, a direct line to the throne room of the Almighty God. Where are you getting this idea at? Did you come up with this question yourself, or did another tell you that they were spells?

Yeah, I have come up with question myself and I thought if it was legal to say tailor-made prayers loudly to counter the devil provided our heart is right with God because bible says that the there is power in speaking out things

It's also one of the pieces of the Armor of God. I do think that handwritten prayers can be very effective if ones heart is in it and right with God like was noted.

What if ones heart is very much right with God and he speaks out ready-made prayers with fitting Word of God to counter the evil?

 

[WIP]

So then, does repeating the Lord's Prayer constitute vain repetition?

I personally believe it can if, and that's a big if, if one only recites the words. I experienced this in my youth. But if, again a big if, if one reads the words and embraces them in his/her heart that, my friends, is a completely different matter. I've also experienced this later in life.

The words of the Lord's Prayer ring loud and clear when one embraces their meaning.

 

[Edward]

Agreed. if one is embracing the meaning and intent of the words, then they would avail much power. If ones heart is right with God then there is nothing wrong with using pre written prayers. In prayer, the lord loves for us to quote His own scripture back to Him. The Lords prayer is a great example.

 

[for_his_glory]

When it comes to casting out evil spirits, this is not for the weak in faith to do so as they have yet to learn that full power and authority in Christ even if they are reading how to from a piece of paper. Again this is why the vagabond Jews were taken over by those evil spirits because they knew not Jesus nor his power and authority, but only knew of his name that was spoken of by others. There is power in the words we speak, but only if we know what that power is. Power without the authority to use it becomes our own downfall and can cause stumbling blocks to others.

 

[jonahmano]

When it comes to casting out evil spirits, this is not for the weak in faith to do so as they have yet to learn that full power and authority in Christ even if they are reading how to from a piece of paper. Again this is why the vagabond Jews were taken over by those evil spirits because they knew not Jesus nor his power and authority, but only knew of his name that was spoken of by others. There is power in the words we speak, but only if we know what that power is. Power without the authority to use it becomes our own downfall and can cause stumbling blocks to others.

I think the Lord also knows the intent of our hearts. You rightly said about Vagabond Jews but how do you take people who drove out demons in the name of Jesus in Jesus' time?

Mark 9:38-39: And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.

But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

 

[for_his_glory]

I think the Lord also knows the intent of our hearts. You rightly said about Vagabond Jews but how do you take people who drove out demons in the name of Jesus in Jesus' time?

Mark 9:38-39: And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.

But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

It was only done by the power and authority Jesus sent them out with. We receive Gods power and authority by His grace when we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Luke 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Luke 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

 

[jonahmano]

It was only done by the power and authority Jesus sent them out with. We receive Gods power and authority by His grace when we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Luke 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Luke 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

But according to the scriptures which I have quoted, the power was given only to disciples and not to the man whom the disciples saw him casting out demons in Jesus' name and also we see the disciples forbidding him understanding that the man didn't follow the disciples.

The quotes which you gave in Matt 28 comes after Jesus' resurrection which isn't connected to the incident I have quoted.

I think it's the motive important. The jew vagabonds were making money out of their acts but we don't see people in Jesus' time (other than the disciples or the 70 who were sent by Christ) doing business casting demons

 

[for_his_glory]

But according to the scriptures which I have quoted, the power was given only to disciples and not to the man whom the disciples saw him casting out demons in Jesus' name and also we see the disciples forbidding him understanding that the man didn't follow the disciples.

The quotes which you gave in Matt 28 comes after Jesus' resurrection which isn't connected to the incident I have quoted.

I think it's the motive important. The jew vagabonds were making money out of their acts but we don't see people in Jesus' time (other than the disciples or the 70 who were sent by Christ) doing business casting demons

Mar 9:38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
Mar 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

I use Matthew 28 to show it is Jesus power and authority and not of our own. Apparently this one single man had more faith and trust in Jesus and it was through that power of believe this man was able to cast our demons in the name of Jesus. Look at what Jesus tole the disciples in vs. 39. The disciples had a hard time understanding the teachings of Jesus and even though they followed him they still did not have great faith yet as seen in Peter denying Christ three times and the others going into hiding for fear of the Jews would also persecute them to death. It wasn't until they received the Holy Spirit that their eyes were now Spiritually opened to understand what Jesus taught them