spirit + body =soul ?

[holy999]

can you say me it

 

[for_his_glory]

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Here dust + breath/spirit from God = a living soul. When the flesh dies physically it returns back to the dust of the ground and our spirit is preserved with God for final judgment.

Genesis 3:19 in the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Ecc 12:7 then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

We return to the dust of the ground when this physical body dies and our breath/spirit returns to God as we wait for Gods final judgment when Christ returns.​

This body/flesh dies and deteriorates as it turns back to dust while in the ground. The breath/spirit goes back to God who gave it, Ecc 12:7. The soul which makes up the conscious part of ones being is that of thought, action and emotion. The spiritual nature of man regarded as immortal and separable from the body/flesh at death and susceptible to happiness or misery in a future state.

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[Mister E]

can you say me it

Tag.

You're it.

 

[Edward]

Andrew Wommack made an animated video which does a pretty good job of explaining it.

 

[BB1956]

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Here dust + breath/spirit from God = a living soul. When the flesh dies physically it returns back to the dust of the ground and our spirit is preserved with God for final judgment.

Genesis 3:19 in the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Ecc 12:7 then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

We return to the dust of the ground when this physical body dies and our breath/spirit returns to God as we wait for Gods final judgment when Christ returns.​

This body/flesh dies and deteriorates as it turns back to dust while in the ground. The breath/spirit goes back to God who gave it, Ecc 12:7. The soul which makes up the conscious part of ones being is that of thought, action and emotion. The spiritual nature of man regarded as immortal and separable from the body/flesh at death and susceptible to happiness or misery in a future state.

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I disagree. The scripture at Genesis 3:19 where God is saying, "from dust you were taken, for dust you are, and dust you will return," many who talk to me about this scripture believe that when God says to Adam, "from dust you were taken, for dust you are, and dust you will return," believe that God is only talking to part of the person, meaning, they believe that God is only talking about the flesh and blood human body, when God uses the word, "you" when he was speaking to Adam. They believe that the breath(spirit) in the flesh and blood human body is the living person and not that the flesh and blood human body is the living person and that at death this breath(spirit) of life, which they believe is a living person in the flesh and blood human body, when it separates from the flesh and blood human body at death, literally goes to God in heaven and waits for final judgement because they believe this breath(spirit) of life, is a living person waiting to be judged. I disagree, God is talking to a flesh and blood living person, because Genesis 2:7 is very clear that it's the flesh and blood human body that becomes a living soul or living person when God blows the breath(spirit) of life into the flesh and blood human body. So Genesis 2:7 isn't saying that the breath(spirit) of life, separately, on it's own, without it being in a flesh and blood human body is a living soul or living person, because if that were the case then the word "became" at Genesis 2:7 would be an inaccurate word, and should have the word "gave" not, "became" at Genesis 2:7. But Genesis 2:7 does use the word "became" because that word "became" used at Genesis 2:7 is completely accurate, because this scripture denies that we have a living soul or living person in our flesh and blood human body but instead, it teaches, that our flesh and blood human body, is a living soul or living person. Genesis 2:7 teaches that when the breath(spirit) of life was blown into the flesh and blood human body, the flesh and blood human body "became" not was given, a living soul or living person, so the flesh and blood human body is a living soul or living person. So when God was speaking to Adam he was telling Adam he would cease to exist as a living soul or living person, because when Adam went back into the dust from where he came, this would mean his flesh and blood human body would no longer have the breath(spirit) of life in his flesh and blood human body so he would cease to exist as a living soul or living person because before God blew the breath(spirit) of life into the flesh and blood human body no living soul or living person existed yet. It was after God blew the breath(spirit) of life into the flesh and blood human body that the flesh and blood human body became a living soul or living person.
Also we have to remember that the scriptures teach us that the breath(spirit) in man is the same breath(spirit) that's in animals. (Genesis 7:22; Ecclesiastes 3:19, 20) So when the scripture say the breath(spirit) goes back to God who gave it, it doesn't mean the spirit is a living person in the flesh and blood human body that separates from the flesh and blood human body and literally goes to God in heaven to wait final judgement. The scripture has always given the resurrection as the hope for the dead. This means that God will resurrect those who are dead back into existence as living persons when that scheduled day comes.

 

[for_his_glory]

I disagree. The scripture at Genesis 3:19 where God is saying, "from dust you were taken, for dust you are, and dust you will return," many who talk to me about this scripture believe that when God says to Adam, "from dust you were taken, for dust you are, and dust you will return," believe that God is only talking to part of the person, meaning, they believe that God is only talking about the flesh and blood human body, when God uses the word, "you" when he was speaking to Adam. They believe that the breath(spirit) in the flesh and blood human body is the living person and not that the flesh and blood human body is the living person and that at death this breath(spirit) of life, which they believe is a living person in the flesh and blood human body, when it separates from the flesh and blood human body at death, literally goes to God in heaven and waits for final judgement because they believe this breath(spirit) of life, is a living person waiting to be judged. I disagree, God is talking to a flesh and blood living person, because Genesis 2:7 is very clear that it's the flesh and blood human body that becomes a living soul or living person when God blows the breath(spirit) of life into the flesh and blood human body. So Genesis 2:7 isn't saying that the breath(spirit) of life, separately, on it's own, without it being in a flesh and blood human body is a living soul or living person, because if that were the case then the word "became" at Genesis 2:7 would be an inaccurate word, and should have the word "gave" not, "became" at Genesis 2:7. But Genesis 2:7 does use the word "became" because that word "became" used at Genesis 2:7 is completely accurate, because this scripture denies that we have a living soul or living person in our flesh and blood human body but instead, it teaches, that our flesh and blood human body, is a living soul or living person. Genesis 2:7 teaches that when the breath(spirit) of life was blown into the flesh and blood human body, the flesh and blood human body "became" not was given, a living soul or living person, so the flesh and blood human body is a living soul or living person. So when God was speaking to Adam he was telling Adam he would cease to exist as a living soul or living person, because when Adam went back into the dust from where he came, this would mean his flesh and blood human body would no longer have the breath(spirit) of life in his flesh and blood human body so he would cease to exist as a living soul or living person because before God blew the breath(spirit) of life into the flesh and blood human body no living soul or living person existed yet. It was after God blew the breath(spirit) of life into the flesh and blood human body that the flesh and blood human body became a living soul or living person.
Also we have to remember that the scriptures teach us that the breath(spirit) in man is the same breath(spirit) that's in animals. (Genesis 7:22; Ecclesiastes 3:19, 20) So when the scripture say the breath(spirit) goes back to God who gave it, it doesn't mean the spirit is a living person in the flesh and blood human body that separates from the flesh and blood human body and literally goes to God in heaven to wait final judgement. The scripture has always given the resurrection as the hope for the dead. This means that God will resurrect those who are dead back into existence as living persons when that scheduled day comes.

I never said the breath that goes back to God is a living person for when we physically die we return to the dust of the ground being the grave as the breath that made us a living soul goes back to God while we wait for final judgement.

You also need to remember on the day of our resurrection we are not caught up to Christ in this flesh and blood body as flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God, but that we will be changed given new glorified bodies as we do not know what we will look like, but will be like Christ. John 3:6-7; 1 Corinthians 15:50-58.

It's always better to read what others write without any preconceived ideas before you read.

 

[BB1956]

I never said the breath that goes back to God is a living person for when we physically die we return to the dust of the ground being the grave as the breath that made us a living soul goes back to God while we wait for final judgement.

You also need to remember on the day of our resurrection we are not caught up to Christ in this flesh and blood body as flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God, but that we will be changed given new glorified bodies as we do not know what we will look like, but will be like Christ. John 3:6-7; 1 Corinthians 15:50-58.

It's always better to read what others write without any preconceived ideas before you read.

You said at post #2 "The soul which makes up the conscious part of ones being is that of thought, action and emotion, and the spiritual nature of man is regarded as immortal and separable from the body/flesh at death and susceptible to happiness or misery in a future state.
First of all this spirit that is in man doesn't literally go to God in heaven when it leaves the flesh and blood human body, and as I said the scriptures show us that the spirit in man is the same spirit that's in animals.(Genesis 7:22; Ecclesiastes 3:19-21) Genesis 7:22 show us that when God destroyed all animal and human life outside the ark at the time of the flood, it says: "Everything in which the breath [form of neshamah] of the force [or, "spirit"(ruach) of life was active in it's nostrils, namely, all that we're on dry ground, died." So the hebrew word, Neshamah(breath) is directly link to the Hebrew word ruach, which here describes the spirit, that is active in all living creatures, both human and animal.
You said you believe the soul is the conscious part of ones being is that of thought, action, and emotion, well isn't it true that happiness and misery are emotions? So how are happiness and misery separate from soul? I see nothing in scripture about us human beings that's immortal. When we die our consciousness, our thoughts, our actions, our emotions which includes happiness and misery, disappear, they cease to exist because when we die we cease to exist as living persons, that's what death is. The scriptures tell us that when God blew the breath of life or to put it another way, when God blew the spirit of life into the flesh and blood human body, the flesh and blood human body became a living soul or living person.The spirit of life isn't a immortal spirit person that God blew into the flesh and blood human body and leaves the body at death and literally goes to God. I say this, because you said the spiritual nature of man is regarded as immortal and separable from the body/flesh at death and susceptible to happiness or misery in a future state. Well it seems to me it would have to be a living person that's separates from the human body for it to experience happiness or misery. You said you didn't say a living person goes back to God but if you believe that the spirit in man is immortal and separate and is susceptible to happiness or misery then it sounds to me you're saying a living person goes back to God, because like I said only a living person can experience happiness and misery.
When it comes to the resurrection of the righteous. There are two flocks of righteous mankind that will be resurrected. There's a little flock, that will be resurrected to heaven, these are the one's that God chooses from righteous mankind, who will be kings, priests, and judges with Jesus in the heavenly Messianic Kingdom, they will rule over the earth with Jesus. When these are resurrected, they will be changed as you said, so when they're resurrected they're given immortal glorified bodies, they will be like Christ. But the key thought hear is that they are changed, to immortal spirit beings who also have inherited incorruption. When they were on earth they had mortal sinful human bodies. So these humans who are resurrected with glorified immortal spirit bodies like Christ, didn't already have some immortal spirit that had separated from their flesh and blood bodies and literally gone to God in heaven . It's when they're resurrected when they receive immortality, they don't have it before their resurrection. So I disagree that some immortal spirit leaves human beings bodies at death and literally goes to God in heaven.
The rest or the majority of mankind who gets a resurrection who are not of this little flock are resurrected as mortal human beings on earth. Meaning they have flesh and blood human bodies. So these majority that God has judged as righteous are humans that are resurrected on earth so they are living souls or living persons, they do not have immortality or have inherited incorruption. They don't have souls, they are souls.

 

[DJT_47]

My post on very similar thread #43

First of all, what is the soul? Some equate it with the spirit, but that's not correct. Some think that God gives you a soul which is also not correct. See below repost of mine.

The bible says you become a living soul; you are not given one as some people erroneously believe. God does not hand-out souls. The bible also states that the soul is not the spirit, also as some erroneously believe, and that they can be divided.The bible says that souls came out of the loins of Jacob. The bible also says that God has a soul.


Here's what the bible says regarding the soul. (Pertinent scriptures)

Gen2:7 KJV

"7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

The interlinear Hebrew says "being" (lenepes) not soul

Exodus 1:5 KJV

"And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already."

Souls are in your loins according to this scripture. Here, the interlinear does say "soul" in Hebrew and not "being". Two different Hebrew words; napes or nepes for souls vs. lenepes

And finally, Hebrews 4:12 KJV

"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

The interlinear Greek is "phyches" for soul and "pneumatos" for spirit

 

[for_his_glory]

You said at post #2 "The soul which makes up the conscious part of ones being is that of thought, action and emotion, and the spiritual nature of man is regarded as immortal and separable from the body/flesh at death and susceptible to happiness or misery in a future state.
First of all this spirit that is in man doesn't literally go to God in heaven when it leaves the flesh and blood human body, and as I said the scriptures show us that the spirit in man is the same spirit that's in animals.(Genesis 7:22; Ecclesiastes 3:19-21) Genesis 7:22 show us that when God destroyed all animal and human life outside the ark at the time of the flood, it says: "Everything in which the breath [form of neshamah] of the force [or, "spirit"(ruach) of life was active in it's nostrils, namely, all that we're on dry ground, died." So the hebrew word, Neshamah(breath) is directly link to the Hebrew word ruach, which here describes the spirit, that is active in all living creatures, both human and animal.
You said you believe the soul is the conscious part of ones being is that of thought, action, and emotion, well isn't it true that happiness and misery are emotions? So how are happiness and misery separate from soul? I see nothing in scripture about us human beings that's immortal. When we die our consciousness, our thoughts, our actions, our emotions which includes happiness and misery, disappear, they cease to exist because when we die we cease to exist as living persons, that's what death is. The scriptures tell us that when God blew the breath of life or to put it another way, when God blew the spirit of life into the flesh and blood human body, the flesh and blood human body became a living soul or living person.The spirit of life isn't a immortal spirit person that God blew into the flesh and blood human body and leaves the body at death and literally goes to God. I say this, because you said the spiritual nature of man is regarded as immortal and separable from the body/flesh at death and susceptible to happiness or misery in a future state. Well it seems to me it would have to be a living person that's separates from the human body for it to experience happiness or misery. You said you didn't say a living person goes back to God but if you believe that the spirit in man is immortal and separate and is susceptible to happiness or misery then it sounds to me you're saying a living person goes back to God, because like I said only a living person can experience happiness and misery.
When it comes to the resurrection of the righteous. There are two flocks of righteous mankind that will be resurrected. There's a little flock, that will be resurrected to heaven, these are the one's that God chooses from righteous mankind, who will be kings, priests, and judges with Jesus in the heavenly Messianic Kingdom, they will rule over the earth with Jesus. When these are resurrected, they will be changed as you said, so when they're resurrected they're given immortal glorified bodies, they will be like Christ. But the key thought hear is that they are changed, to immortal spirit beings who also have inherited incorruption. When they were on earth they had mortal sinful human bodies. So these humans who are resurrected with glorified immortal spirit bodies like Christ, didn't already have some immortal spirit that had separated from their flesh and blood bodies and literally gone to God in heaven . It's when they're resurrected when they receive immortality, they don't have it before their resurrection. So I disagree that some immortal spirit leaves human beings bodies at death and literally goes to God in heaven.
The rest or the majority of mankind who gets a resurrection who are not of this little flock are resurrected as mortal human beings on earth. Meaning they have flesh and blood human bodies. So these majority that God has judged as righteous are humans that are resurrected on earth so they are living souls or living persons, they do not have immortality or have inherited incorruption. They don't have souls, they are souls.

Sorry about the length, but I wanted to add the full scriptures.

Happiness and misery is that of the eternal state of one when the physical body dies as per Genesis 2:7 and Ecc 12:7; John 5:28-29. But not all will have died when Christ returns, but will all stand before Christ Jesus in final judgement both alive at His coming and those who are in the dust of the ground meaning the grave. For now all are still mortal as the transformation of 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 only happens when Christ returns. Again we go back to John 5:28-29 that some will be raised unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. Happiness or misery.


Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
Gen 7:3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

From dust to dust

Ecc 3:16 And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.
Ecc 3:17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.
Ecc 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
Ecc 3:22 Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?



New Heavens and a New Earth

Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
Isa 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
Isa 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
Isa 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
Isa 65:24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.