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Growth Spiritual Restoration

netchaplain

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“Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such a one in the spirit of meekness; consider thyself, lest thou also be tempted” (Gal 6:1). Supposing a person falls into sin, and is positively surprised into what is plainly evil, what then? Still the Holy Spirit presses that the spiritual should “restore such an one in the spirit of meekness.” A very weighty word indeed. For, first, in case of a fall, through want of watchfulness and dependences upon God, we learn who are the most adapted to meet the need. It is the obligation of all in a general way; but who are those that the Holy Spirit urges to deal well with such a case? “Ye that are spiritual.”

Now it does not follow that he who is born of God is necessarily spiritual. To “live in the Spirit” is a very different thing from being “spiritual.” A spiritual person not only lives, but will “also walk in the Spirit” (Gal 5:25—NC). Of course, he has the infirmities of other men, and may at times manifest nature; but in an obvious way, taken as a whole, through the grace of God, he has learned to judge and not to indulge self, and to detect, especially in himself, departure from the Lord, and to own it frankly and humbly before the Father.

In consequence of this steadfast self-judgement (1Co 11:31—NC), there will be far greater tenderness in dealing with sin in others. They may have a keen discernment; but where it comes to that which is real and most serious—which perhaps many would give up as making the case hopeless, and think that the person could not be a Christian at all—they, knowing more of the subtlety of the flesh as well as the grace of God, are able to count upon His goodness (Rom 2:4—NC), and are the very persons to deal with the evil and to restore the soul.

So, that you will always find in cases that call for gracious handling, it is for the spiritual, not those that are the most used themselves to trip, not those that are apt to indulge the flesh and depart from fellowship with the Lord. These some might think the most likely to deal pitifully with such a stumble; but on the contrary, those are called for who “walk circumspectly“ (Eph 5:15—NC) and in self-judgement, as a general rule, and who are thus kept from slipping (Jude 1:24—NC), through continual leaning on a faithful Lord; because the very power that preserves them from going astray is what gives them to understand the grace of God and to depend upon that grace to others (2Co 1:4—NC). Accordingly these are told to “restore such an one in the spirit of meekness.”

When a believer that is in any measure spiritual, thinks of himself, what he realizes is his immense falling short of the Lord Jesus. He has ever before him how greatly he fails, even of that which he desires in his ways before the Father. But when he looks at his brother Christian, let him be the feeblest possible, and sees him as a beloved one of Christ, in full acceptance in, and the object of, the Father’s tender affections, this draws out both love and self-hatred (Jhn 12:25—NC). Thus, if grace be at work, what is Christ-like in another saint rises at once before the heart, along with what is unlike Christ in himself.

Hence it is not a question of striving to cultivate high feeling about one’s neighbors, and to think them what they are not (Rom 12:3—NC), but really believing what is true about them, and feeling rightly about ourselves too. If one thinks of what a saint is in the Lord Jesus and what he means to Him, and what he will be through Him, then one’s heart takes in the wonder of His love, and how much the Lord makes of him. But when the eye is turned to oneself, all the unworthy ways and feelings and shortcomings come up in humiliating remembrance. Likewise, in considering “thyself, lest thou also be tempted,” with this difference, that it is not so much looking at what we have been, as at what we have to fear and watch against now (also Mat 26:41—NC).

Wm Kelly
 
So...following conversion, which should watch ourselves closely and do a sober self-assessment now and then? And think more highly of the other person than of myself? And this...isn't self-hatred, isn't false humility, its just getting rid of self-importance and hypocritical judgment of others to see the truth, reality more clearly?

Sorry. Not to criticize, but some of the writing was/is...dense. Also, I've been studying other things for a while now, so my concentration isn't so great, lol.
 
So...following conversion, which should watch ourselves closely.
Hi CE - Yes, self more than others, so that we can be more readily used in helping others.
do a sober self-assessment now and then?
Amen! This is the intention of "walk circumspectly." And the attention to self, which is instructed here does not concern a self-assessment of our walk, which is important for all to see, but that of our dependence on God, which concerns our own shortcomings, and which, regardless the level of maturity, all continue in at varying degrees.

And this...isn't self-hatred, isn't false humility,
I understand what you mean (1Tim 6:20). Concerning "self-hatred" it's related to the disregard we have for the old man, which is the old "I" that the Spirit opposes (Gal 5:17), and of which Paul writes in Romans 7:17, 20, i.e. "it is no longer I" (new I)--"but the sin" (old I).

Thanks for your reply!
 
Hi net-chaplain, I see a couple of things here?
You start by saying "if a person falls into sin" and later talk about our short comings.
It makes your point somewhat confusing.

Is the spiritual restoration to ourselves or others?
And what kind of sins do Christians fall into?
There seems to be a difference of opinion as to what sin actually is.

So, to put it bluntly, I don't follow your point.
 
Rollo,
Actually, netchaplain is quoting William Kelly, who was a 19th century preacher, teacher and writer associated with the Plymouth Brethren. The point is that according to Scripture, if a brother or sister falls into sin, we are not to judge harshly, but to try and restore them to a spiritual walk and fellowship in a spirit of meekness, recognizing that we too can fall if we are not constantly on guard.

CE, the writers in the 19th century were not always lucid, and did use convoluted language. But basically Kelly is a sound Christian author (athough he supported Tregelles, who supported Westcott & Hort, who promoted the corruptions of the Greek New Testament, which is another matter altogether).
 
That piece spoke to me on so many levels. It's very hard to walk in the spirit with meekness towards people who continually sin in various offensive ways, towards me specifically. I know very well that with what judgement I mete to them that the same will be delivered unto me again. Every time I work through it and forgive them in my heart, then it's new different offensive attack and tears it all down again. It's very taxing to my spirit. Nevertheless, a good reminder for me and very timely. Thank you brother. :wave2
 
I know very well that with what judgement I mete to them that the same will be delivered unto me again.
Hid Ed - Always good to hear from you because of your zeal and applicable comments! (Mat 7:2).

Every time I work through it and forgive them in my heart,
then it's new different offensive attack and tears it all down again
Of course this is true of all believers (1Co 10:13) and what teaches me the most is remembering that God always knows ahead of the time and has already prepared it to benefit you--even when we do not know what to think, do or how to feel about it, and it is always a matter of being either patient in hardness, or humble in pridefullness!

The enemy is as one unit and consists of self, Satan and society, but the majority of the wrestlings you mentioned is the old nature, or old "I". The reason is so that we will continue to increase in the strength of faith for a brighter "light," so that it would be easier for those who are lost to see and find their way. The lost are those looking for the "Way," but those who choose to remain unbelievers (most) aren't lost, because they aren't looking for the path.

And when you know it concerns the unsaved, it's helpful to remember they do not know what they are doing (Luke 23:34). Believers also often do not know what they are doing due to always being in class, but for us this is for faith strengthening, as God uses everything for this purpose, for it's how we respond in trials that determines the candle power of our faith.

Love You Brother
God Be blessed
 
I would still like to hear what this sin is that everybody does that we're talking about here.
If no one can be specific, it has no meaning to me.
 
Dear Brother Chaplain, I believe the following failure among brethren is an example of action, forgiveness, and restoration in such cases.

1 Corinthians 5:1-2. It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. Here they were wrong in allowing it to go on in their presence.
1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Later they are told to forgive him as he has suffered enough for his sin.
2 Corinthians 2:5-9.
5 But if any have caused grief, he hath not grieved me, but in part: that I may not overcharge you all.
6 Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many.
7 So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow.
8 Wherefore I beseech you that ye would confirm your love toward him.
9 For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things.
 
How about drug addiction and lying?
They go hand in hand.
How about church members taking food for themselves that was meant for the poor?
How about deception?
Plain old deception in what one says?
It even comes from the pulpit.

How does one deal with all these things?
In whose eyes are these things wrong and in whose eyes are these things right?

I find it difficult to talk about spiritual restoration when it means different things to different people.
 
I would still like to hear what this sin is that everybody does that we're talking about here.
If no one can be specific, it has no meaning to me.
Hi RT - I much appreciate your replies and your obvious desire for the Word. I understand that it is one of the most difficult lessons to understand concerning sin and the believer, but this and other issues cannot be understood just by explanation, and requires time and teaching of the Spirit in the Word of God.

Scripture is often obscure in that it cannot always be determined by the way it is sometimes worded, causing us to seek God the most for our understanding. I believe He nearly always uses some whom He caused you to encounter (for me it's mostly God's use of Bible commentators), which are those knowledgeable enough of the Word to learn understanding from the Spirit's teachings (1Co 2:13).

For example:
1Jhn 3:9 - "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin"; does not make it his trade and business; it is not the constant course of his life; he does not live and walk in sin (Rom 8:9 -NC), or give up himself to it (commit to it); he is not without the being of it in him (Rom 7:17, 20; 1Jhn 1:8 -NC) or free from acts of sin (Gal 6:1 -NC) in his life and conversation, but he does not so commit it as to be the servant of it, a slave unto it. John Gill https://www.ewordtoday.com/comments/1john/gill/1john3.htm

This comment parallels Romans 6:12, 14, in that sin no longer dominates the believer, but does not intend the absence of the sin nature (old man). During a crucifixion the subject is alive, which is the point of being crucified, for torment. But in the case of the old man (sinful nature), it "is" still being crucified (Rom 6:6), which restrains it from domination, as the Spirit of god opposes it (Gal 5:17).
 
Dear Brother Chaplain, I believe the following failure among brethren is an example of action, forgiveness, and restoration in such cases.

1 Corinthians 5:1-2. It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. Here they were wrong in allowing it to go on in their presence.
1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Later they are told to forgive him as he has suffered enough for his sin.
2 Corinthians 2:5-9.
5 But if any have caused grief, he hath not grieved me, but in part: that I may not overcharge you all.
6 Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many.
7 So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow.
8 Wherefore I beseech you that ye would confirm your love toward him.
9 For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things.
Hi Eugene - I agree--a highly applicable example. Always appreciate your input!
 
How about drug addiction and lying?
They go hand in hand.
How about church members taking food for themselves that was meant for the poor?
How about deception?
Plain old deception in what one says?
It even comes from the pulpit.

How does one deal with all these things?
In whose eyes are these things wrong and in whose eyes are these things right?

I find it difficult to talk about spiritual restoration when it means different things to different people.

We should note carefully that the word translated as *fault* in Gal 6:1 is the same word that is translated as *faults* in the KJV (Jas 5:16). It is the Greek word paraptoma which means an offence or a fault. This is to be distinguished from hamartia which means sins. So a fault or offence would be relatively minor compared to blatant transgressions.

If there is deliberate deception, then -- according to Scripture -- there should be severe rebuke, and if there is habitual sinning -- the practice of sin -- then the individual should be approached on a personal level and spiritually counseled. Either he/she is not saved, or they do not understand that Christians who knowingly and habitually persist in sin are in jeopardy of premature death (e.g. Ananias ans Sapphira). "There is a sin unto death", says the apostle John.
 
We should note carefully that the word translated as *fault* in Gal 6:1 is the same word that is translated as *faults* in the KJV (Jas 5:16). It is the Greek word paraptoma which means an offence or a fault. This is to be distinguished from hamartia which means sins. So a fault or offence would be relatively minor compared to blatant transgressions.

If there is deliberate deception, then -- according to Scripture -- there should be severe rebuke, and if there is habitual sinning -- the practice of sin -- then the individual should be approached on a personal level and spiritually counseled. Either he/she is not saved, or they do not understand that Christians who knowingly and habitually persist in sin are in jeopardy of premature death (e.g. Ananias ans Sapphira). "There is a sin unto death", says the apostle John.
Hi Malachi - Thanks for your input. Though I often agree with your comments I find this time a difference of opinion concerning the sense of the word "fault" in this passage (Gal 6:1). Maybe we are using Greek dictionaries that differ, because Strong's is G3900, "paraptōma" which is defined as follows:
  1. to fall beside or near something

  2. a lapse or deviation from truth and uprightness
 
Hid Ed - Always good to hear from you because of your zeal and applicable comments! (Mat 7:2).


Of course this is true of all believers (1Co 10:13) and what teaches me the most is remembering that God always knows ahead of the time and has already prepared it to benefit you--even when we do not know what to think, do or how to feel about it, and it is always a matter of being either patient in hardness, or humble in pridefullness!

The enemy is as one unit and consists of self, Satan and society, but the majority of the wrestlings you mentioned is the old nature, or old "I". The reason is so that we will continue to increase in the strength of faith for a brighter "light," so that it would be easier for those who are lost to see and find their way. The lost are those looking for the "Way," but those who choose to remain unbelievers (most) aren't lost, because they aren't looking for the path.

And when you know it concerns the unsaved, it's helpful to remember they do not know what they are doing (Luke 23:34). Believers also often do not know what they are doing due to always being in class, but for us this is for faith strengthening, as God uses everything for this purpose, for it's how we respond in trials that determines the candle power of our faith.

Love You Brother
God Be blessed

Ah, thank you brother and I appreciate your response.

Of course this is true of all believers (1Co 10:13) and what teaches me the most is remembering that God always knows ahead of the time and has already prepared it to benefit you--even when we do not know what to think, do or how to feel about it, and it is always a matter of being either patient in hardness, or humble in pridefullness!

Now this here sure makes a brother think. It rings of truth and brings to mind things that I have thought before along this topic line. Like the time I prayed for more faith, and got dumped on with tribulation. Oh, I did indeed emerge with more faith, but it just wasn't as I expected. I'm a little more choosy as to what I pray for since. Be careful for what you pray for...because you just might get it!

This brings to mind 1 Corinthians 15:36...Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:/(KJV)

It seems like, many times when I (or others) are undergoing tribulation, that they pray for help and it seems as if God is not with them. They pray for relief and expect things to get better...but they don't, they get worse, so, prayer not answered, God not with us? Perhaps this is not the case after all. Perhaps this is God working in their life and answering their prayer.

Let's recall the parable of the Sower. God is good and His gifts are good.When someone gets saved and gives their life to Christ, it's a natural reaction to expect ones life to get better. Most of the time it does not, at least in a worldly way. Why is this? Something we did wrong? No. God's keeping His promise and takes that new soul and plants it in the ground into darkness and covers it up.

Like a mustard seed. It will grow into a mighty plant. But the bigger that we are desiring it to be, the deeper it must be planted, yes? That seed must die in the darkness before it sprouts and grows up. If the seed is planted too shallow...Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away...
Could these be the believers having tribulation and praying for relief (and perhaps even getting it...) and in doing so, they do not give the roots time to develop properly?

That seed must die in the underground darkness. These things giving us problems in this life must be, and to our rejoicing, for it is God working within our life to teach us patience, endurance, and so forth. Maybe some of those prayer requests we see here on the board would be more appropriately posted in the testimony section instead. ?

I need to chew on this some more, this is interesting. :)
Thank you brother. :)
 
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