Spiritual Warfare and Praying...

[Edward]

Oh, I thought this was a great video and gave a very plausible explanation of how when Daniel was praying for 21 days and the messenger Angel was interfered with by the prince of the power of Persia and delayed. He explains how prayer works and so forth. I found it very interesting and very plausible and credible. Enjoy.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

Oh, I thought this was a great video and gave a very plausible explanation of how when Daniel was praying for 21 days and the messenger Angel was interfered with by the prince of the power of Persia and delayed. He explains how prayer works and so forth. I found it very interesting and very plausible and credible. Enjoy.

so true

 

[Edward]

Thanks brother. With us knowing so little of the spiritual realm, it could be true, and it does ping of truth. We do know for a fact that our war is not with the flesh, but with principalities and powers. (side note: that's the problem with biblical debate, and the ensuing frustration it breeds! Our war is not with each other! We love each other, no matter where we are in our walk.)

I have a hard time praying for a long time.
I have to keep reminding myself also, that prayer is a dialogue, and not a monologue! But since watching this, I am striving to pray more and for longer periods of time...Are we not told to pray without ceasing?! That scripture supports what this man says.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

blessed to have read the testimonies of many saints. some biblographies. not self-seeking, but they sought fully Yhwh's Kingdom. they often prayed 10 hours a day. (and got much more done than if they didn't pray so fervently). they prayed with thanksgiving, and praise to Yhwh, and in travail. that was the only way revivals ever occurred. when people stopped praying, revival stopped. when people prayed fervently, AND repented of ALL sin without making any excuse, as if their lives depended on prayer and repentance(which they do), revival happened.

 

[Edward]

I keep remembering how the israelites were murmuring (and disobeying) but God does not like murmuring, so He let them wander for forty years. We are to rejoice and thank God for everything, even tribulations and trials (hard times) because it's still for our benefit, to teach us patience and endurance. I had a very trying day today. But I continued to bridle my tongue and not whine about it, but to praise God for everything. He's with me, leads me, and this is where He took me to. I may not like it or understand they whys of it, nut i don't need to either, because I know and believe that God is doing something with me and it will benefit me in the long run, so every time that my day crumbled in another way, i immediately praised Him and told Him what an amazing god that he really is...and then looked within to see if i could spot an underlying blessing in it. somehow. I was able to spot one blessing. I forgot a couple tools that i would need and had to backtrack and waste some gas to go home again to get them. my job was 20 miles out one way. Without going into much detail, I can say that the blessing in it was almost immediately apparent after returning home. Oh, Praise god that this forgetfulness of mine happened today!

I had a pretty wild dream a few nights ago. In the dream, I and a group of people were in a desert. A little fuzzy, but I sense that some were my friends which I know, and some were strangers but of our group. I do not know what our group was doing in the desert. Suddenly a funnel cloud (Tornado) appeared in the short distance and came right for us. I was (accidentally?) sucked up into the funnel cloud, felt a twinge of fear, but got the thought that this was of the Lord and that I should sing out praises unto Him. So I did and began saying praises unto God and Jesus. I was at that time whisked higher in the funnel cloud to the very top of it and was essentially riding it with my head and shoulders above the top and the view was sunny and calm up there with blue skies. I wasn't swirling around in the tornado, but stationary at the top as if riding it, and i could feel wind on the part of me that was within the tornado, but my head and shoulders which were above the top, it was calm, warm, and sunny. I somewhat felt a little embarrassed to be singing out unto God in front of the group and immediately got the thought that I better not be ashamed and that I should sing out louder. So I did, and at that time I began wondering if I would be ok and somehow knew that I would. I sensed that I would be deposited back onto the ground very gently and without harm, and this is what happened, I began a descent and was put with my feet upon the ground and the funnel cloud disappeared at that time and members of my group were there again. We talked about what happened to me and I described the exhilaration that I felt while riding the tornado and that I knew it was of the Lord.

Then we were in a watery area, like at a dam or something (lakes?) the terrain was rocky and we were on the rocks. We seen a tsunami cresting the highest points of the area and there was no way that I had time to even think about climbing to safety from it. I was suddenly engulfed in water and swept away. I felt calmer this time and remember wondering if a tornado would take me up from this water. It did. A water based funnel cloud formed around me and I was taken up in it, but only about 1/2 way up the height of the tornado. I immediately sensed that I should begin singing loud praises unto God to keep myself safe from this. So I did and very loudly did so. I knew somehow that when I did that I would rise to the top as before and be able to ride this out. That is exactly what happened. I rode this water funnel cloud for a distance and then was gently put back down upon the rocks in the same area. The group was there again. Some others had been swept away also in the tsunami but I sensed that we all were there and had lost no one.

This happened perhaps 6 or 8 more times in the dream, always by the water and with water tornadoes. It got to the point that some of the tsunamis would have missed me, and I could have avoided it altogether, but chose not to, and would jump into the water so that it could happen again, which it always did. It was my increased faith in the Lord that made me jump into the water, having been kept safe so many previous times. I just knew the Lord would keep me from harm. These tsunamis that would overtake us were not of the low level type like we've all seen that happened in Japan after the earthquake there, but rather a high wall of water, perhaps 100 ft high or more which came. The tsunami water was always of a muddy color and not clean water. I *think* that at one point myself and the group had discussed moving out of the area to a calmer spot and were climbing around on the rocks, but the dream goes fuzzy there and then I woke up, so am not sure on that...EOD.

pretty wild huh? there's a few obvious lessons in there i see. This was the lord speaking to me in dreams. praise god for that!

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

not many can claim Yhwh's Promise or Protection as you have seen it in your life. Yhwh be Praised Forever in Yeshua!

Psalm 91
King James Version (KJV)

91 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.

2 I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.

3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.

4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.

5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;

6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.

7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.

8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.

9 Because thou hast made the Lord, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;

10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.

11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

I would say the 'tornadoes' refer to angels literally saving you from the tsunami's / waters that are inundations / pressures/ influences / attacks from the enemy including lies (/doctrines/public and religious and boastful and subtle) that just plainly sweep away almost everyone else because they are not Yhwh's sons. (they willfully reject Yeshua and refuse completely and utterly to come to the Light, so they have no claim on His Promises of Protection or His Safety or His Guidance or His Keeping them.(even though they might be given over to their own delusion to believe what they think is true and they really really really 'believe' God will help them, right up until Judgment).

 

[agua.]

Thanks brother. With us knowing so little of the spiritual realm, it could be true, and it does ping of truth. We do know for a fact that our war is not with the flesh, but with principalities and powers. (side note: that's the problem with biblical debate, and the ensuing frustration it breeds! Our war is not with each other! We love each other, no matter where we are in our walk.)

I have a hard time praying for a long time.
I have to keep reminding myself also, that prayer is a dialogue, and not a monologue! But since watching this, I am striving to pray more and for longer periods of time...Are we not told to pray without ceasing?! That scripture supports what this man says.

I have a hard time praying for a long time.

Do you pray in tongues ? If you do just pray constantly so long as you're not distracted the Saints will be grateful.

 

[Edward]

not many can claim Yhwh's Promise or Protection as you have seen it in your life. Yhwh be Praised Forever in Yeshua!

Psalm 91
King James Version (KJV)

91 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.

2 I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.

3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.

4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.

5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;

6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.

7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.

8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.

9 Because thou hast made the Lord, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;

10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.

11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

What a great scripture brother! I totally believe every single word of it, literally. I have had other dreams where the Lord protected me also. These type of dreams, I have been having occasionally for a long time (years). Plus, IRL He has protected me before also. I do believe that I have hidden in the shadow of the Lord, and fared very well of course. Praise the Lord! That's another long story in and of itself. The overall underlying theme (so to speak) of all of it points the same direction, and has all held the same instruction and teaching for ne. To call upon the name of the Lord, for help, for instruction and for protection. Also to praise him throughout.



This He has proven to me in small ways (though it didn't seem small ways at the time!)to be true. that He is true and faithful. YHWH is available and faithful to help us at the drop of a name and it has been shown repeatedly that He will not fail in this. He seems to be last minute, but never late also.

I am going to ponder your partial interp of that dream. That a perspective and angle that I had not considered yet, thank you brother.

Do you pray in tongues ? If you do just pray constantly so long as you're not distracted the Saints will be grateful.

i have prayed in tongues one time. There has always been quite a bit of talk about it, and many have, with all manner of good intentions, have told me that i should practice this. I thought about that, but concluded that since scripture says that praying in tongues is when the Holy Spirit prays for us, and that made me hesitant to attempt this on my own, because if tongues are the words of the Holy Spirit, then who am I to even try to do this on my own? I don't want to put words into the Holy Spirits mouth, it may grieve Him. If the Holy Spirit wants to pray for me, then it is His decision and timing of His choice and not mine.

The one time that I did pray in tongues, i believed in tongues and had been praying for the utterance of tongues to come upon me because it was something that I wished would happen, for it is easy for me to comprehend that, as scripture says, I (man) does not even know for what he should pray for (for the most part at least), and so a prayer by the Holy Spirit for me (through me) specifically, would (to me) obviously be the best prayer for me that has ever been uttered!
So there i was praying fervently one day, and all of a sudden, with no effort or intent on my part at all, it just began flowing, and I was speaking in tongues. I did immediately realize what was happening, and remember feeling the joy of it happening, so I did a stand down in my heart, and did not interrupt the Holy Spirit , and i let him finish, then i finished my personal prayer and thanked the Lord. I'm not sure how anyone could pray in tongues on demand. "We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us ..../" (Romans 8:26)

If the Spirit intercedes for us, then, this is Him, and how could we possibly do this on demand? It seems to me that to do so, would be bearing false witness? I'm pretty much scared to try to do this on my own accord.

 

[agua.]

What a great scripture brother! I totally believe every single word of it, literally. I have had other dreams where the Lord protected me also. These type of dreams, I have been having occasionally for a long time (years). Plus, IRL He has protected me before also. I do believe that I have hidden in the shadow of the Lord, and fared very well of course. Praise the Lord! That's another long story in and of itself. The overall underlying theme (so to speak) of all of it points the same direction, and has all held the same instruction and teaching for ne. To call upon the name of the Lord, for help, for instruction and for protection. Also to praise him throughout.



This He has proven to me in small ways (though it didn't seem small ways at the time!)to be true. that He is true and faithful. YHWH is available and faithful to help us at the drop of a name and it has been shown repeatedly that He will not fail in this. He seems to be last minute, but never late also.

I am going to ponder your partial interp of that dream. That a perspective and angle that I had not considered yet, thank you brother.



i have prayed in tongues one time. There has always been quite a bit of talk about it, and many have, with all manner of good intentions, have told me that i should practice this. I thought about that, but concluded that since scripture says that praying in tongues is when the Holy Spirit prays for us, and that made me hesitant to attempt this on my own, because if tongues are the words of the Holy Spirit, then who am I to even try to do this on my own? I don't want to put words into the Holy Spirits mouth, it may grieve Him. If the Holy Spirit wants to pray for me, then it is His decision and timing of His choice and not mine.

The one time that I did pray in tongues, i believed in tongues and had been praying for the utterance of tongues to come upon me because it was something that I wished would happen, for it is easy for me to comprehend that, as scripture says, I (man) does not even know for what he should pray for (for the most part at least), and so a prayer by the Holy Spirit for me (through me) specifically, would (to me) obviously be the best prayer for me that has ever been uttered!
So there i was praying fervently one day, and all of a sudden, with no effort or intent on my part at all, it just began flowing, and I was speaking in tongues. I did immediately realize what was happening, and remember feeling the joy of it happening, so I did a stand down in my heart, and did not interrupt the Holy Spirit , and i let him finish, then i finished my personal prayer and thanked the Lord. I'm not sure how anyone could pray in tongues on demand. "We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us ..../" (Romans 8:26)

If the Spirit intercedes for us, then, this is Him, and how could we possibly do this on demand? It seems to me that to do so, would be bearing false witness? I'm pretty much scared to try to do this on my own accord.

There has always been quite a bit of talk about it, and many have, with all manner of good intentions, have told me that i should practice this. I thought about that, but concluded that since scripture says that praying in tongues is when the Holy Spirit prays for us, and that made me hesitant to attempt this on my own, because if tongues are the words of the Holy Spirit, then who am I to even try to do this on my own? I don't want to put words into the Holy Spirits mouth, it may grieve Him. If the Holy Spirit wants to pray for me, then it is His decision and timing of His choice and not mine.

Oky doky. My opinion is that since you don't understand what you're saying it's unlikely you will be putting words into the Holy Spirits mouth. You may be surprised how the Holy Spirit knows more about you ( and what you need to pray about ) than you do.

 

[Edward]

Oky doky. My opinion is that since you don't understand what you're saying it's unlikely you will be putting words into the Holy Spirits mouth. You may be surprised how the Holy Spirit knows more about you ( and what you need to pray about ) than you do.

That wouldn't surprise me. I am a dumb feeble flesh minded hard learner, lol. I KNOW the Holy Spirit knows more than I do about me.

On the other hand, I did find a scripture which bothers me a little about this subject of the tongues and such...

1 Timothy 4:14-15
14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.

15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all./

 

[agua.]

That wouldn't surprise me. I am a dumb feeble flesh minded hard learner, lol. I KNOW the Holy Spirit knows more than I do about me.

On the other hand, I did find a scripture which bothers me a little about this subject of the tongues and such...

1 Timothy 4:14-15
14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.

15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all./

I'm not sure why this scripture would cause concern about praying in tongues ? But it's ok I'm saying you have to.

ops not saying that is man I should proof read before posting :D

 

[Kathi]

Can Satan really stop our prayers?

 

[Gary]

Can Satan really stop our prayers?

No.
.

 

[Kathi]

No.
.

I didn't think so.

 

[Edward]

I'm not sure why this scripture would cause concern about praying in tongues ? But it's ok I'm saying you have to.

ops not saying that is man I should proof read before posting :biggrin

Because tongues is a gift, is it not? And if we're not supposed to neglect our gifts, then...? What then?

 

[agua.]

Because tongues is a gift, is it not? And if we're not supposed to neglect our gifts, then...? What then?

Ok Ed you're gonna have to explain this to me. Are you saying we shouldn't pray in tongues because it's neglecting the gift of tongues ?

 

[Kathi]

Because tongues is a gift, is it not? And if we're not supposed to neglect our gifts, then...? What then?

Tongues?I did not think tongues was for today but only used by those in the Bible.There is supposed to be an interpretation of tongues whenever it is done.

 

[agua.]

Tongues?I did not think tongues was for today but only used by those in the Bible.There is supposed to be an interpretation of tongues whenever it is done.

Interesting I know some people who also believe this.
Does this mean you think all the gifts were only for those in the Bible and can you show me the scripture that says the must be ab interpreter every time it's done ?

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

That wouldn't surprise me. I am a dumb feeble flesh minded hard learner, lol. I KNOW the Holy Spirit knows more than I do about me.
On the other hand, I did find a scripture which bothers me a little about this subject of the tongues and such...
1 Timothy 4:14-15
14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all./

Keep seeking Yhwh ABBA Sovereign Creator. The 'gifts' are so rare today you don't have to worry about them for some time, or ever actually - by the time someone's ready for them, they are overjoyed that people are healed with a word and demons flee at the Name of Jesus (not like the sons of sceva! though). The Master Yeshua is the Teacher for those who are given to Him by ABBA, and Yhwh gets all the Glory!
i.e. as you completely give your life over to Yhwh's Plan and Purpose in Christ Jesus, everything will be simply revealed to you in the Creator's Delight and Pleasure and Plan.