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Statements made by evangelists who claim scripture!

No, but they can be recognised by apostles (Ac.1). The sitz im leben was that Peter et al, knew that a Twelth apostle must be waiting in the wings: Pentecost needed the symbolic Twelve. Later Paul (called well before recognition) castigated some charismatic (ie self-appointed) people who claimed to be apostles (2 Cor.11:13; 12:11).
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 acts 1:8 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission as Christ! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!



1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

This extends to the truth and to the church founded by Christ to teach all
men!

Cos Jesus Christ is the truth and cos His church is of divine origin, commissioned to teach the truth!

Christians must be taught and that requires humility! Lk 1:4 matt 28:19-20 matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 acts 2:42 acts 8:31

Teaching authority of the Apostles and their successors founded in the one true church by Jesus Christ!

Jesus Christ is the head of the church, (eph 5:23) the body of Christ,
(col 1:18) the new and eternal covenant, (pre-figured Jer 31:31) (Heb 8:8) new covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant, (Heb 8:13) holy mother church replaced Israel Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Christ replaces David as king, (Lk 1:32-33) Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, (1 Tim 2:5 & Heb 12:24) but a mediator remains on earth mediating between God and His people, but Christ ascended to heaven, (acts 1) before He did He founded His church, on Peter, and the apostles, and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 2:42 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Apostolic succession: apostles must remain till Christ returns Matt 28:19-20



Authority of the Apostles!

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission!

Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well until Christ returns in glory!

apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
 
What does this have to do with Apostles doing miracles, signs and wonders, raising the dead.

None of that is happening today.
The churches unity faith and practice are perpetual till Christ returns Matt 28:19 I am with you till the end ( his promise to remain with his apostles his church)
Acts 1:8!his witnesses to the ends of the earth

Doctrine of constancy or Unchangeable nature of Christ and His church!

Thanks
 
The churches unity faith and practice are perpetual till Christ returns Matt 28:19 I am with you till the end ( his promise to remain with his apostles his church)
Acts 1:8!his witnesses to the ends of the earth

Doctrine of constancy or Unchangeable nature of Christ and His church!

Thanks
So are you saying there are Apostles today that can do the miracles and signs the Apostles of the Old Testament did?

Prove it.
 
So are you saying there are Apostles today that can do the miracles and signs the Apostles of the Old Testament did?

Prove it.
Digging a hole with a front loader and driving that thing in deep into that hole .

Roman catholicism with a nar for final touches .

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So are you saying there are Apostles today that can do the miracles and signs the Apostles of the Old Testament did?

Prove it.
Not the Old Testament but the apostles of Christ
Christ has authority to establish the church Matt 16:18-19
To make apostles Matt 10:2-3
The apostles have the same ministry power and authority as Christ Jn 20:21-23
So they have authority to govern the church teach and sanctify all men Matt 28:19 and make new apostles acts 1:15-26 until Christ returns
I am with you (the apostles) his church until he returns Matt 28:19-20
Acts 1:8 his witnesses to the ends of the earth
Thanks
 
Not the Old Testament but the apostles of Christ
Christ has authority to establish the church Matt 16:18-19
To make apostles Matt 10:2-3
The apostles have the same ministry power and authority as Christ Jn 20:21-23
So they have authority to govern the church teach and sanctify all men Matt 28:19 and make new apostles acts 1:15-26 until Christ returns
I am with you (the apostles) his church until he returns Matt 28:19-20
Acts 1:8 his witnesses to the ends of the earth
Thanks
Let me rephrase.

Do apostles exist today?

Grace and peace to you.
 
The burden of proof is on you.

Please provide information to said apostles and show the miracles, raising the dead, healing the sick and so forth.

I would say good luck, but I do not believe in luck, chance or coincidence.
I get it? Christians believe in God and His infinite goodness, mercy, and Love. Amen?
The apostles are commanded to teach & sanctify in the sacraments “all” nations “all men” Matt 28:19
Acts 1:8 his witnesses to the ends of the earth
Acts 1:15-26 Mathias replaced judas
Matt 23:1 the successors of Moses
Thanks
 
The burden of proof is on you.

Please provide information to said apostles and show the miracles, raising the dead, healing the sick and so forth.

I would say good luck, but I do not believe in luck, chance or coincidence.
Boy, I can’t even prove that you or God exists, nor that Jesus did miracles, nor that there was ever a Julius Caesar, nor that solipsism is incorrect. Any ‘miracle’ reported today—and you will probably have heard of many—can be debunked (cf. C S Lewis’ Miracles). Prove it, is a dead-end, but evidence is possible.

Prima facie, Are miracles still biblically warranted—irrespective of whether apostleship exists today—is for me the basic question. I see no biblical reason to deny both the continuance of miracles through rank & file Christians, and of church-setting apostleship (such as W F P Burton). The FIEC church I attend continues to ask God to intervene to physically heal folk—its assumption is that God might just do so (miracle). Is its assumption correct? Has it ever had circumstantial evidence to continue in such prayer?

Credo ut intelligam? Primer faith can kick-start sight and understanding, which perhaps is why Jesus could only give sight to those knowing themselves to be blind but trusting in him.
 
Boy, I can’t even prove that you or God exists, nor that Jesus did miracles, nor that there was ever a Julius Caesar, nor that solipsism is incorrect. Any ‘miracle’ reported today—and you will probably have heard of many—can be debunked (cf. C S Lewis’ Miracles). Prove it, is a dead-end, but evidence is possible.

Prima facie, Are miracles still biblically warranted—irrespective of whether apostleship exists today—is for me the basic question. I see no biblical reason to deny both the continuance of miracles through rank & file Christians, and of church-setting apostleship (such as W F P Burton). The FIEC church I attend continues to ask God to intervene to physically heal folk—its assumption is that God might just do so (miracle). Is its assumption correct? Has it ever had circumstantial evidence to continue in such prayer?

Credo ut intelligam? Primer faith can kick-start sight and understanding, which perhaps is why Jesus could only give sight to those knowing themselves to be blind but trusting in him.


ARE APOSTLES AND PROPHETS COMING ON THE SCENE?



First, we must establish what an "Apostle" is according to God's word. We will find the definition in 2 Corinthians:

2Co 12:12 The signs of a true apostle were performed among you with all perseverance, by signs and wonders and miracles.

According to the Bible, the true mark of an Apostle is:

1. Signs

2. Wonders

3. Miracles

Including, but not limited to, “signs and wonders and miracles” (the miracle of the Corinthians’ salvation was also a mark of Paul’s apostleship, 1 Cor. 9:2). The purpose of miraculous signs was to authenticate the apostles as God’s messengers (cf. Acts 2:22, 43; 4:30; 5:12; 14:3; Rom. 15:18, 19; Heb. 2:3, 4).

Now we have to determine if Signs, Wonders, and Miracles are for this day. Many believe that they are including speaking in tongues, and healings however what does the Bible say about "Miracle Gifts". Today many believe that these gifts are still in operation including the Pentecostal/Charismatic and 3rd wave camps. Many claim to have "Apostles" and "Prophets" that work these miracles. On the other hand Cessanionalists say these "miracle gifts" have ceases and are not active in this day and age.

Cessationism is the view that the “miracle gifts” of tongues and healing have ceased—that the end of the apostolic age brought about a cessation of the miracles associated with that age. Most cessationists believe that, while God can and still does perform miracles today, the Holy Spirit no longer uses individuals to perform miraculous signs.

The biblical record shows that miracles occurred during particular periods for the specific purpose of authenticating a new message from God.

MOSES was enabled to perform miracles to authenticate his ministry before Pharaoh (Exodus 4:1-8)

ELIJAH was given miracles to authenticate his ministry before Ahab (1 Kings 17:1; 18:24)

THE APOSTLES were given miracles to authenticate their ministry before Israel (Acts 4:10, 16).

JESUS’ ministry was also marked by miracles, which the Apostle John calls “signs” (John 2:11). John’s point is that the miracles were proofs of the authenticity of Jesus’ message.

After Jesus’ resurrection, as the Church was being established and the New Testament was being written, the apostles demonstrated “signs” such as tongues and the power to heal. “Tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not” (1 Corinthians 14:22, a verse that plainly says the gift was never intended to edify the church).
The Apostle Paul predicted that the gift of tongues would cease (1 Corinthians 13:8). Here are 6 proofs that it has already ceased:

1) The apostles, through whom tongues came, were unique in the history of the church. Once their ministry was accomplished, the need for authenticating signs ceased to exist.

2) The miracle (or sign) gifts are only mentioned in the earliest Epistles, such as 1 Corinthians. Later books, such as Ephesians and Romans, contain detailed passages on the gifts of the Spirit, but the miracle gifts are not mentioned (although Romans does mention the gift of prophecy, the Greek word translated prophecy mean “speaking forth” and does not necessarily include prediction of the future).

3) The gift of tongues was a sign to unbelieving Israel that God’s salvation was now available to other nations. See 1 Corinthians 14:21-22 and Isaiah 28:11-12.

4) Tongues was an inferior gift to prophecy (preaching). Preaching the Word of God edifies believers, whereas tongues does not. Believers are told to seek prophesying over speaking in tongues (1 Corinthians 14:1-3).

5) History indicates that tongues did cease. Tongues are not mentioned at all by the Post-Apostolic Fathers. Other writers such as Justin Martyr, Origen, Chrysostom, and Augustine considered tongues something that happened only in the earliest days of the Church.

6) Current observation confirms that the miracle of tongues has ceased. If the gift were still available today, there would be no need for missionaries to attend language school. Missionaries would be able to travel to any country and speak any language fluently, just as the apostles were able to speak in Acts 2. As for the miracle gift of healing, we see in Scripture that healing was associated with the ministry of Jesus and the apostles (Luke 9:1-2). And we see that as the era of the apostles drew to a close, healing, like tongues, became less frequent. The Apostle Paul, who raised Eutychus from the dead (Acts 20:9-12), did not heal Epaphroditus (Philippians 2:25-27), Trophimus (2 Timothy 4:20), Timothy (1 Timothy 5:23), or even himself (2 Corinthians 12:7-9).

As for the miracle gift of healing, we see in Scripture that healing was associated with the ministry of Jesus and the apostles (Luke 9:1-2). And we see that as the era of the apostles drew to a close, healing, like tongues, became less frequent.
The Apostle Paul, who raised Eutychus from the dead (Acts 20:9-12), did not heal:

Epaphroditus (Philippians 2:25-27)

Trophimus (2 Timothy 4:20)

Timothy (1 Timothy 5:23)

Himself (2 Corinthians 12:7-9).

The reasons for Paul’s “failures to heal” are:

A. the gift was never intended to make every Christian well, but to authenticate apostleship;

B. the authority of the apostles had been sufficiently proved, making further miracles unnecessary.

The reasons stated above are evidence that the sign gifts have ceased. According to 1 Corinthians 13:13-14:1, we would do well to “pursue love,” the greatest gift of all. If we are to desire gifts, we should desire to speak forth the Word of God, that all may be edified.

I believe we have enough Biblical and Historical proof that "Apostles" of today are liars. These are men and woman who put themselves on a pedestal to edify themselves above others. In other words, they are bringing glory to themselves (self-edification) instead of glorifying God.

Jesus said:

Joh 7:18 "He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who is seeking the glory of the One who sent Him, He is true, and there is no unrighteousness in Him.

The characteristics of a False Teacher would be another study that would bring clarity to the so-called "apostles" of today.
 
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 acts 1:8 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission as Christ! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!


Spiritual Fathers have care for our souls!

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Jn 21:17 feed my sheep:

Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

1 Tim 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you

1 John 2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

That makes Paul and John spiritual fathers, pastors of our souls!
 
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