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Studies Conclude: Atheism = Peace, Religion = Confliction

Evointrinsic

Evointrinsic

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Hi everybody, this was an interesting study I just discovered about the relationship between Atheism and Religion to separate Countries and just how peaceful these countries are. Now, I'm not here to poke fun or brag or put anyone down or anything. I'm just curious to know what your thoughts are about this.

This isn't the first time I've heard these statistics, however, it is the first time I've seen it in such a clean, presentable manner.

I have a video that will quickly explain what I'm here talking about. And a PDF file that is an extensive study on the issues.

[youtube:27gtjcni]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdtwTeBPYQA&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:27gtjcni]


PDF
http://holysmoke.org/temp/religion-social-health-ep07398441_c.pdf
 
One can marvel at the bliss of Soviet Russia! Atheism was enforced on the people for their own "good". :gah

Atheists are lost now and for eternity. The reason for the conflict in religion has to do with the devil being a religious entity. The devil seeks to subvert men away from the truth and into error. This only happens because there is a truth to subvert! Atheists on the other hand destroy themselves. It is akin to hippies who overdose on drugs...no aggresive behaviour there...but destruction follows nevertheless. So atheists self-destruct. Religionists destroy each other through the brainwashing of the devil.

But there is a better way. He is Christ our Lord.
 
I see, Is it just a coincidence that the quality of life is highest in the most atheistic regions of the world? I haven't really seen the evidence of "self-destructing atheists" in any statistical studies or any articles. would you be able to post a link?
 
yup see china, peaceful in that aethistic country, and so it in cuba. real peaceful
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_righ ... c_of_China

yup evo, if its so great in athiestic countries , then please move to china and you tell me.
men , not the beliefs in themselves are the problem

does athiesm make you not hate? does it make you love your enemy?
let me think nitzche, was pro equality , he was for the extermination of the weaker races.
who else can i dig up if need be.
 
Fortunately statistics dont have to have all of one thing on one side to prove anything, there are obviously oddballs that are far right or far left on any variable in a statistical study such as this one.

Take any statistic for that matter and place it in a graph. let's say the age of death in an average male or female in 2005 in Canada. It's 74.2 years old. The average Male, 71.1 years old. and the average female 77.4 years old. However, there are still males in 2005 that lived over 71.1 years of age. as there are females that died before 77.4 years of age.

Statistics are a generalization of information.

A strong "left sider" like China, may be able to shift the statistics slightly, but that does not necessarily make a decisive conclusion on a global scale.

We can not conclude that simply because one corrupt individual is corrupt, means that all of the individuals are. There are bad atheists out there, and there are bad Theists out there. One persons actions do not shine upon an entire group. The percentage of a certain variable in that group may change, but in general terms, the group declares the groups actions.
 
jasoncran said:
yup see china, peaceful in that aethistic country, and so it in cuba. real peaceful
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_righ ... c_of_China

yup evo, if its so great in athiestic countries , then please move to china and you tell me.
men , not the beliefs in themselves are the problem

does athiesm make you not hate? does it make you love your enemy?
let me think nitzche, was pro equality , he was for the extermination of the weaker races.
who else can i dig up if need be.
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Margaret Sanger, she was an atheist and she like killing the weak and such. Eugenics lady...

Hitler, he wanted to remove Christianity from the world... and what did he do again? Oh ya, genocide of the Jews... Took over much of Europe... He was sure a peaceful atheist...

Stalin, he killed more men in his time than Hitler did! He wanted to remove religion from his country.

Che, he laughed at Christians and found atheism to be very true... he only killed people for fun... such a peace loving man, huh?

Bad theists? Sure. Bad Christians? Maybe, though one could make a VERY strong argument that they evidently were not Christians (no Holy Spirit). I can think of a lot of good Christians, though... not so many good atheists
 
Im not going to bother getting into the discussion of individuals. Individuals are not a deciding factor in an entire group. The group makes up the groups image.

However, I would like to know what exactly you consider a "good person"?

It's outstanding that you've never met a (or many) good atheists.
 
I'm not quite sure how that article relates to this?

come to think of it, i'm not too sure what your entire post is supposed to mean?

Statistical studies, such as this one, judge the average. The countries used in the video are the countries with the "most of the most". In other words, they are judging 144 out of the near 200 countries in the world based on the percentage of the countries population that belongs to either the Christian or Muslim theological views, and the atheistic view. and as you can see, the top conflicting countries in the world, also have the highest percentage of muslims in their community. where has the dominant christian countries tend to also be conflicting countries, however, not so severe. and the Atheist countries generally are located at the more peaceful end.

This is what we are dealing with... not individual countries. but the most dominant countries which possess the highest population of either one of these groups.
 
Not outstanding, I don't know any atheists who I'd like to imitate, besides their atheist-ness. Good? Just a general word, you know.

Fact is the study was ridiculously biased. Besides Japan and maybe one or two other countries no country is majority atheist. Furthermore, I am a Christian, Muslims do not even begin to represent anything God does or is. Same goes for every other religion, save Judaism (since our God is the same God). To put this study together, then to put it onto a Christian forum it bears the implication that Christianity makes nations violent.

Furthermore, there is a LARGE difference between people who profess to be Christians and people who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and have welcomed the Holy Spirit within them. The Bible (it never telling a single lie or contradiction) states that when we have the Spirit of God we are changed beings. This study is simply wrong in respect to Christians.

The definition of "conflict" and "violent" needs to be addressed. Often, in fact virtually every time, America has ever stepped into a war it has been to quell the violent actions of atheist nations or Muslim nations.

The statistics are, frankly, wrong. Cuba is 46% Christian, not 89%. Same goes with many of those places. Also, it doesn't take into account the ruler's faith. I could have a nation that is 99% Christian, but if it is run by the 1% who are all atheist... it is still reflecting an atheist country...

More tot he point, the GPi (Global Peace index) is a load of malarkey. It takes into account a nation's military expenditures. Just because a nation likes to defend itself doesn't mean it is a non-peaceful country. The GPi also doesn't take into account violence towards woman, which lowers many Islamic and Asian countries to lower ranking then they would otherwise have. Lastly, it is endorsed by that UN guy, Annan, thus I cannot trust it as far as I can throw it.
 
beacause athiesm and materialism are the same for the most part.

theres no god, no good or evil, only what the athiest defines as such.

so if that the case then that article relates, as those that have a belief in something bigger then the world around them seem to be the most happy , thus will be less likely to commit atrocities

and please adress el cuba, and the others i have mentioned.

i live in florida so i see those "peceful, happy, athiestic, cubanos", yup they love it there so much they are just dying to go back.
 
jasoncran said:
i live in florida so i see those "peceful, happy, athiestic, cubanos", yup they love it there so much they are just dying to go back.
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I think they die if they go back, actually...
 
Pard said:
jasoncran said:
i live in florida so i see those "peceful, happy, athiestic, cubanos", yup they love it there so much they are just dying to go back.
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I think they die if they go back, actually...
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yes, indeed they would. just look at elian gonzales dad and what he said and did.

that boy loved it here. and i guess his dad was just wanting to spread the peaceful values that only athiesm can give.

i wonder after almost ten yrs what has happened to elian. probably spouting the anti-american junk as taught by the commies there.

btw they dont even take our money for rent on guantamamo.
 
I'm fairly certain that "Good" is not just a general word. It's quite a decisive quality, in fact. You made it quite clear that your definition of good is more than just general in your statement that you said you met a lot of good Christians, but not many good atheists.That obviously shows your have a very clear depiction of what Good should represent. Could you please explain how those Christians were more "good" than those atheists? I'm just curious.

As for the rest of your post. This isn't an argument of who is right or wrong. There for you being a christian and there being muslim statistics added to the entirety of the study really has no effect at all in the facts of population and conflict. Statistics are what they are, regardless of the variables within them. True, many people in many of those countries will say that they are muslim or christian, but do not actually believe in the faith. And that is generally due to fear of expulsion from, let's say family and friends, or death. However, the dominant religious view point is still recorded as Christian or Muslim.

The statistics shown, in the video at least, are that of the top ten muslim, christian, and atheist populated countries. This is the authors depiction of a muslim country or an atheist country. simply the one with the dominant view. And generally the ones with a high Muslim or christian population, are also muslim or christian. That especially applies to places such as irac, where death is the penalty for refuting islam. or the United States, where, currently, if your not a christian, your not going to be elected.

In fact I would like to know a country who has a strong belief in a single religion, and a strong population is that religion, who doesnt have a leader that also proclaims to follow that religion. out of curiosity, not claiming there to be a fact that there is not one.

I would agree with you with the military expenditures point, however, the ones that are generally accumulating their military, are generally also in conflict. There is also not one country out there that just collects their military up to dome themselves up, they've all made their moves off their own soil as well.

Fortunately this isnt the only study that have been made to show these statistics. All of them point to the same direction.
 
Evointrinsic said:
I'm fairly certain that "Good" is not just a general word. It's quite a decisive quality, in fact. You made it quite clear that your definition of good is more than just general in your statement that you said you met a lot of good Christians, but not many good atheists.That obviously shows your have a very clear depiction of what Good should represent. Could you please explain how those Christians were more "good" than those atheists? I'm just curious.

As for the rest of your post. This isn't an argument of who is right or wrong. There for you being a christian and there being muslim statistics added to the entirety of the study really has no effect at all in the facts of population and conflict. Statistics are what they are, regardless of the variables within them. True, many people in many of those countries will say that they are muslim or christian, but do not actually believe in the faith. And that is generally due to fear of expulsion from, let's say family and friends, or death. However, the dominant religious view point is still recorded as Christian or Muslim.

The statistics shown, in the video at least, are that of the top ten muslim, christian, and atheist populated countries. This is the authors depiction of a muslim country or an atheist country. simply the one with the dominant view. And generally the ones with a high Muslim or christian population, are also muslim or christian. That especially applies to places such as irac, where death is the penalty for refuting islam. or the United States, where, currently, if your not a christian, your not going to be elected.

In fact I would like to know a country who has a strong belief in a single religion, and a strong population is that religion, who doesnt have a leader that also proclaims to follow that religion. out of curiosity, not claiming there to be a fact that there is not one.

I would agree with you with the military expenditures point, however, the ones that are generally accumulating their military, are generally also in conflict. There is also not one country out there that just collects their military up to dome themselves up, they've all made their moves off their own soil as well.

Fortunately this isnt the only study that have been made to show these statistics. All of them point to the same direction.
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evo, are you an amrican, uh we have gays that are in congress! uh chris dodd was .
 
I meant as a president. In current times, there would be no such thing unless the people running for president were all atheist. I would have thought the "Canada" thing in "location" on every one of my posts should have answered your first question.


As for Jason's post. I will once again state that an individual in this statistical study does NOT make too much of a difference. these are generalized conclusions. just as I have stated in other posts within this topic. do I need to bring up the age thing again?

Yes, there are going to be predominant christian countries that are more peaceful as some atheist countries. however, the MAJORITY arent, unfortunately.
 
Evointrinsic said:
I meant as a president. In current times, there would be no such thing unless the people running for president were all atheist. I would have thought the "Canada" thing in "location" on every one of my posts should have answered your first question.


As for Jason's post. I will once again state that an individual in this statistical study does NOT make too much of a difference. these are generalized conclusions. just as I have stated in other posts within this topic. do I need to bring up the age thing again?

Yes, there are going to be predominant christian countries that are more peaceful as some atheist countries. however, the MAJORITY arent, unfortunately.
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ah cuba isnt a christian nation, as the leaders are athiest and force their will upon the persons, and so it is the way with the n.korea, and the others i have listed.

address those please.


and some "christians" support socialized medicine.

so i guess russia was a christian nation when it killed the jews and purged the people, same with the countries of italy, and so on.
 
What about suicide? Is that not violence against oneself?

Suicide in countries per 100,000. The first added number to the left is amount of males committing suicide, the left is female.

ATHEIST

CZECH REPUBLIC - 26.0 + 6.7 = 32.7

DENMARK - 20.9 + 8.1 = 29

FINLAND - 34.6 + 10.9 = 45.5

FRANCE - 26.1 + 9.4 = 35.5

GERMANY - 20.2 + 7.3 = 27.5

HUNGARY - 47.1 + 13.0 = 60.1

JAPAN - 36.5 + 14.1 = 50.6

NORWAY - 19.5 + 6.8 = 26.3

SWEDEN - 19.7 + 8.0 = 27.7

TOTAL - 334.9*

33,490,000

*One of the countries presented could not be found among statistics.


CHRISTIAN*

ARGENTINA - 9.9 + 3.0 = 12.9

BRAZIL - 6.6 + 1.8 = 8.4

COLOMBIA - 5.5 + 1.5 = 7

CUBA - 24.5 + 12.0 = 36.5

ECUADOR - 6.4 + 3.2 = 9.6

GUATEMALA - 0.9 + 0.1 = 1

HONDURAS - 0.0 + 0.0 = 0

UKRAINE - 52.1 + 10.0 = 62.1

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA - 17.6 4.1 = 21.7

VENEZUELA - 8.3 1.9 = 10.2

TOTAL - 169.4

16,940,000


OTHER

(HINDU) INDIA - 12.2 + 9.1 = 21.3
TOTAL - 2,130,000

(JEWISH) ISRAEL - 10.5 + 2.6 = 13.1
TOTAL - 1,310,000

BOTH COUNTRIES - 3,440,000


I apologize for not including Muslim countries in this. The statistics could not be found for enough of them to provide accurate information, most likely due the Muslim and globally accepted definition of suicide and the conflict in said countries at the moment.


It seems in Atheism vs. Christianity, Christian countries have less of a suicide rate. I don’t know if your statistics would count suicide as “peace†or not. Under the US law, suicide is considered a homicide however and violence against oneself.

Now, away from Christianity, the country with one of the largest populations, India also has a small rate of suicide for its size. The national religion is Hinduism. Israel, whose religion of Judaism uses the same God as Christianity, has even less than that. Now, combining the total number of suicides for both countries with the Christian countries’ rates, you still have a lower number of suicide than those countries under Atheism.

So what it seems more to be a question of here is whether or not religion is harmful, or what religion is happens to be harmful.
 
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