Sunday or the Sabbath?

[stranger]

Hi RND,

RND wrote:
No, it doesn't dictate my debate, but maybe your understanding of it. It should be made abundantly clear I became a "sabbatarian" before I ever knew who EGW was.

OK then, lets call it the SDA influence upon you in terms of 'framework', 'hermeneutic', 'mindset' , 'worldview', 'method of interpretation', ' doctrinal belief system', 'view of history', 'escatology' or however you choose to put it has distinctive 'expressions' or modes of thought. One of them is:

Protestants who worship on Sunday are seen as clearly accepting the eccleisatical mark of Rome.

The question asrises: Do you say this of your own accord or did someone else tell you to say this? Did you learn this from our Lord Jesus Christ or someone else?

The statement in italics also shows the alignment/misalignment of the SDA movement, insofar as branches of the SDA movement continue to appropriate this as a key hermenuetic principle in escatology, to Protestants and Catholic alike.

 

[RND]

Hi RND,
OK then, lets call it the SDA influence upon you in terms of 'framework', 'hermeneutic', 'mindset' , 'worldview', 'method of interpretation', ' doctrinal belief system', 'view of history', 'escatology' or however you choose to put it has distinctive 'expressions' or modes of thought. One of them is:

Protestants who worship on Sunday are seen as clearly accepting the eccleisatical mark of Rome.

Is this really something up for debate? I thought we were disccusing the sabbath versus sunday sacredness. However the fact remains unclallenged that protestants claim to be 'protesting' Rome. That was what the whole 'reformation' was about. They were 'protesting' some portion of the hierarchcal teachings of the 'mother' church.

The question asrises: Do you say this of your own accord or did someone else tell you to say this?

I speak of my own accord based on the Bible and other teachings I have received, both Adventist and non-Adventist. Frankly, I have formed my opinion based on many different teachings, which I think is fairly standard proceedure for a developing Christian.

Did you learn this from our Lord Jesus Christ or someone else?

I was indeed directed by the Holy Spirit to begin attending a sabbath keeping church.

The statement in italics also shows the alignment/misalignment of the SDA movement, insofar as branches of the SDA movement continue to appropriate this as a key hermenuetic principle in escatology, to Protestants and Catholic alike.

Well, if the shoe fits.....

 

[stranger]

Protestants who worship on Sunday are seen as clearly accepting the eccleisatical mark of Rome.

Is this really something up for debate? I thought we were disccusing the sabbath versus sunday sacredness. However the fact remains unclallenged that protestants claim to be 'protesting' Rome. That was what the whole 'reformation' was about. They were 'protesting' some portion of the hierarchcal teachings of the 'mother' church.

Yes, the sentence in italics is up for debate. The reformation touched upon a number of issues. As for worshipping on Sunday I thought you agreed that it was OK to worship the Lord on Sunday? We also agree that in scripture there is no indication that the Sabbath day was ever changed to Sunday. In this you are also in agreement with the Catholics.

I speak of my own accord based on the Bible and other teachings I have received, both Adventist and non-Adventist. Frankly, I have formed my opinion based on many different teachings, which I think is fairly standard proceedure for a developing Christian.

What your saying is that your beliefs are based upon the bible and other teachings both SDA and non- SDA. What I am hearing you say, and the forum readers may like to contribute on this point, is that your beliefs are based upon the Bible and traditions both SDA and non- SDA!

I was indeed directed by the Holy Spirit to begin attending a sabbath keeping church.

OK, hopefully you will also be mindful of other issues.

Well, if the shoe fits.....

Indeed. I'm not sure just how much you actually know about the SDA's and how long you have been associated with them. Keep well.

 

[RND]

Yes, the sentence in italics is up for debate. The reformation touched upon a number of issues. As for worshipping on Sunday I thought you agreed that it was OK to worship the Lord on Sunday?

We should worship the Lord in thought, word, action and deed daily. We should rest and convien a Holy Convocation every sabbath.

We also agree that in scripture there is no indication that the Sabbath day was ever changed to Sunday. In this you are also in agreement with the Catholics.

Indeed.

What your saying is that your beliefs are based upon the bible and other teachings both SDA and non- SDA. What I am hearing you say, and the forum readers may like to contribute on this point, is that your beliefs are based upon the Bible and traditions both SDA and non- SDA!

I'm unsure as to what your concepts of an SDA tradition might be. But then again, you are free to compenhend that which you believe you understand.

 

[stranger]

stranger wrote:
Yes, the sentence in italics is up for debate. The reformation touched upon a number of issues. As for worshipping on Sunday I thought you agreed that it was OK to worship the Lord on Sunday?

RND wrote:

We should worship the Lord in thought, word, action and deed daily. We should rest and convien a Holy Convocation every sabbath.

If you agree that we can worship the Lord daily, then we can worship the Lord on Sunday. I am on a sure footing in saying this because the controversial statement about the mark of the beast presented on this forum is not about the Sabbath on Sunday BUT worship on Sunday for which both Protestants and Catholics alike have been condemned.

To make it perfectly clear according to SDA beliefs: The mark of the beast is Sunday worship is it not?

cf previous reference: There can be little question "protestants" that worship on sunday are following the commands not of the Bible, but the apostate whore that rides the beast.

I'm unsure as to what your concepts of an SDA tradition might be. But then again, you are free to compenhend that which you believe you understand.

SDA tradition I would equate with EG White writings.

 

[RND]

We should worship the Lord in thought, word, action and deed daily. We should rest and convien a Holy Convocation every sabbath.

If you agree that we can worship the Lord daily, then we can worship the Lord on Sunday. I am on a sure footing in saying this because the controversial statement about the mark of the beast presented on this forum is not about the Sabbath on Sunday BUT worship on Sunday for which both Protestants and Catholics alike have been condemned.

To make it perfectly clear according to SDA beliefs: The mark of the beast is Sunday worship is it not?

cf previous reference: There can be little question "protestants" that worship on sunday are following the commands not of the Bible, but the apostate whore that rides the beast.

If there was any confusion or misunderstanding in the above quote of mine I sincerely apologize. I strive for "clarity" at all times but I understand in the interest of confrontation and debate sometimes "clarity" can be replaced by wilfull and deliberate obfuscation or ignorance.

My apologies.

 

[Lewis]

But it is ok to worship God on Sunday' because I do to. And it is ok to worship God on Saturday' like the 7 day Adventist' because I do too. And it is ok to worship God Monday' Tuesday' Wednsday' Thurdsday and Friday. Because I do too. At the Cross the set day for worship was let go. The Jews who still hold on to it' are still looking for the Messiah to come. Ain't that a kick ? After the cross Christians started to meet on Sunday, and some of them didn't. I don't like the fact that the Catholics thought that they had the power to decree Sunday as the worship day. They have a bad habit of stepping out of the Bible.
But the Sabbath was made for man' not man for the Sabbath so said Jesus. So if some want to worship God on Saturday' go right ahead. There is no harm done' to God. And He honors it. Because everyday is His day. So again if some want to set consecrate Saturday as a special day to worship the Lord and have church' do it. No harm done.