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T.U.L.I.P. - Irresistible Grace

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Irresistible grace (or efficacious grace) is a doctrine in Christian theology particularly associated with Calvinism, which teaches that the saving grace of God is effectually applied to those whom He has determined to save (the elect) and, in God's timing, overcomes their resistance to obeying the call of the gospel, bringing them to faith in Christ. [Wikipedia]


from R.C. Sproul (Ligonier Ministries)
In historic Reformation thought, the notion is this: regeneration precedes faith. We also believe that regeneration is monergistic. Now that’s a three-dollar word. It means essentially that the divine operation called rebirth or regeneration is the work of God alone. An erg is a unit of labor, a unit of work. The word energycomes from that idea. The prefix mono- means “one.” So monergism means “one working.” It means that the work of regeneration in the human heart is something that God does by His power alone—not by 50 percent His power and 50 percent man’s power, or even 99 percent His power and 1 percent man’s power. It is 100 percent the work of God. He, and He alone, has the power to change the disposition of the soul and the human heart to bring us to faith.​
In addition, when He exercises this grace in the soul, He brings about the effect that He intends to bring about. When God created you, He brought you into existence. You didn’t help Him. It was His sovereign work that brought you to life biologically. Likewise, it is His work, and His alone, that brings you into the state of rebirth and of renewed creation. Hence, we call this irresistible grace. It’s grace that works. It’s grace that brings about what God wants it to bring about. If, indeed, we are dead in sins and trespasses, if, indeed, our wills are held captive by the lusts of our flesh and we need to be liberated from our flesh in order to be saved, then in the final analysis, salvation must be something that God does in us and for us, not something that we in any way do for ourselves.​
However, the idea of irresistibility conjures up the idea that one cannot possibly offer any resistance to the grace of God. However, the history of the human race is the history of relentless resistance to the sweetness of the grace of God. Irresistible grace does not mean that God’s grace is incapable of being resisted. Indeed, we are capable of resisting God’s grace, and we do resist it. The idea is that God’s grace is so powerful that it has the capacity to overcome our natural resistance to it. It is not that the Holy Spirit drags people kicking and screaming to Christ against their wills. The Holy Spirit changes the inclination and disposition of our wills, so that whereas we were previously unwilling to embrace Christ, now we are willing, and more than willing. Indeed, we aren’t dragged to Christ, we run to Christ, and we embrace Him joyfully because the Spirit has changed our hearts. They are no longer hearts of stone that are impervious to the commands of God and to the invitations of the gospel. God melts the hardness of our hearts when He makes us new creatures. The Holy Spirit resurrects us from spiritual death, so that we come to Christ because we want to come to Christ. The reason we want to come to Christ is because God has already done a work of grace in our souls. Without that work, we would never have any desire to come to Christ. That’s why we say that regeneration precedes faith.​
I have a little bit of a problem using the term irresistible grace, not because I don’t believe this classical doctrine, but because it is misleading to many people. Therefore, I prefer the term effectual grace, because the irresistible grace of God effects what God intends it to effect.​
 
The Holy Spirit effectually applies the redemption purchased by Christ to us:
  • But when the kindness of God our Savior and [His] love for mankind appeared, He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to [the] hope of eternal life. [Titus 3:4-7 NASB]

The Spirit accomplishes this by working faith in us:
  • So faith [comes] from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. [Romans 10:17 NASB]
  • Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual [thoughts] with spiritual [words.] But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ. [1 Corinthians 2:12-16 NASB]
  • For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; [Ephesians 2:8 NASB]
  • For to you it has been granted for Christ's sake, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake, [Philippians 1:29 NASB]

... and uniting us to Christ in our effectual calling:
  • "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. [John 15:5 NASB]
  • God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord. [1 Corinthians 1:9 NASB]
  • so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; [and] that you, being rooted and grounded in love, [Ephesians 3:17 NASB]
 
Irresistible grace (or efficacious grace) is a doctrine in Christian theology particularly associated with Calvinism, which teaches that the saving grace of God is effectually applied to those whom He has determined to save (the elect) and, in God's timing, overcomes their resistance to obeying the call of the gospel, bringing them to faith in Christ. [Wikipedia]


from R.C. Sproul (Ligonier Ministries)
In historic Reformation thought, the notion is this: regeneration precedes faith. We also believe that regeneration is monergistic. Now that’s a three-dollar word. It means essentially that the divine operation called rebirth or regeneration is the work of God alone. An erg is a unit of labor, a unit of work. The word energycomes from that idea. The prefix mono- means “one.” So monergism means “one working.” It means that the work of regeneration in the human heart is something that God does by His power alone—not by 50 percent His power and 50 percent man’s power, or even 99 percent His power and 1 percent man’s power. It is 100 percent the work of God. He, and He alone, has the power to change the disposition of the soul and the human heart to bring us to faith.​
In addition, when He exercises this grace in the soul, He brings about the effect that He intends to bring about. When God created you, He brought you into existence. You didn’t help Him. It was His sovereign work that brought you to life biologically. Likewise, it is His work, and His alone, that brings you into the state of rebirth and of renewed creation. Hence, we call this irresistible grace. It’s grace that works. It’s grace that brings about what God wants it to bring about. If, indeed, we are dead in sins and trespasses, if, indeed, our wills are held captive by the lusts of our flesh and we need to be liberated from our flesh in order to be saved, then in the final analysis, salvation must be something that God does in us and for us, not something that we in any way do for ourselves.​
However, the idea of irresistibility conjures up the idea that one cannot possibly offer any resistance to the grace of God. However, the history of the human race is the history of relentless resistance to the sweetness of the grace of God. Irresistible grace does not mean that God’s grace is incapable of being resisted. Indeed, we are capable of resisting God’s grace, and we do resist it. The idea is that God’s grace is so powerful that it has the capacity to overcome our natural resistance to it. It is not that the Holy Spirit drags people kicking and screaming to Christ against their wills. The Holy Spirit changes the inclination and disposition of our wills, so that whereas we were previously unwilling to embrace Christ, now we are willing, and more than willing. Indeed, we aren’t dragged to Christ, we run to Christ, and we embrace Him joyfully because the Spirit has changed our hearts. They are no longer hearts of stone that are impervious to the commands of God and to the invitations of the gospel. God melts the hardness of our hearts when He makes us new creatures. The Holy Spirit resurrects us from spiritual death, so that we come to Christ because we want to come to Christ. The reason we want to come to Christ is because God has already done a work of grace in our souls. Without that work, we would never have any desire to come to Christ. That’s why we say that regeneration precedes faith.​
I have a little bit of a problem using the term irresistible grace, not because I don’t believe this classical doctrine, but because it is misleading to many people. Therefore, I prefer the term effectual grace, because the irresistible grace of God effects what God intends it to effect.​

Thank you for starting this.



JLB
 
Irresistible grace (or efficacious grace) is a doctrine in Christian theology particularly associated with Calvinism, which teaches that the saving grace of God is effectually applied to those whom He has determined to save (the elect) and, in God's timing, overcomes their resistance to obeying the call of the gospel, bringing them to faith in Christ. [Wikipedia]

I see the word grace in scripture but not “Irresistible grace“, that basically overrides or overcomes people’s will.


For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. Romans 1:16


Again like John 3:16 salvation is for everyone who believes, not everyone who is elected.


Election is for purpose, not salvation.



JLB
 
The Holy Spirit effectually applies the redemption purchased by Christ to us:
  • But when the kindness of God our Savior and [His] love for mankind appeared, He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to [the] hope of eternal life. [Titus 3:4-7 NASB]

Amen.


When does the Holy Spirit apply the redemption purchased by Christ to us?


When we believe, or some time prior to believing?



JLB
 
The Spirit accomplishes this by working faith in us:
  • So faith [comes] from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. [Romans 10:17 NASB]
  • Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual [thoughts] with spiritual [words.] But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ. [1 Corinthians 2:12-16 NASB]
  • For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; [Ephesians 2:8 NASB]
  • For to you it has been granted for Christ's sake, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake, [Philippians 1:29 NASB]

Faith comes to us when we hear the Gospel.

Only those who obey the Gospel are saved.


Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, 1 Peter 1:22-23


JLB
 
When does the Holy Spirit apply the redemption purchased by Christ to us?

When we believe, or some time prior to believing?
Irrelevant from the perspective of God’s purpose, which is already settled from beginning to end: “And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to [His] purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to become] conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.” [Rom 8:28-30 NASB]
  • All verbs are in the past tense indicating that the matter has been settled and decided and will with absolute certainty come to pass. Those whom God has already PREDESTINED will with complete certainty be GLORIFIED.
  • To claim otherwise is to deny the SOVEREIGNTY of God and the explicit claims of His Holy Word.
  • God said it, that settles it, and I believe it.
 
Irrelevant from the perspective of God’s purpose, which is already settled from beginning to end: “And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to [His] purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to become] conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.” [Rom 8:28-30 NASB]


Again, we see predestined for purpose, which in this case is being conformed to the mage of His Son.

If we have Christ in us, we have the hope of glory.


Just as the scripture in Titus you quoted says...
we are saved, regenerated and have the hope of eternal life.


But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. Titus 3:4-7


JLB
 
Again, we see predestined for purpose, which in this case is being conformed to the mage of His Son.
... like our Glorification following our death, when we shall be with Christ forever? You just described the Elect, those predestined by God for salvation (calling, justification and glorification) so they will be children of God and conformed to the image of Christ.
 
... like our Glorification following our death, when we shall be with Christ forever? You just described the Elect, those predestined by God for salvation (calling, justification and glorification) so they will be children of God and conformed to the image of Christ.

Brother, nowhere does it say predestined for salvation.


Like the scripture says, we who are saved are heirs according to the hope of eternal life.


So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My name’s sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life. Matthew 19:28-29


Judas was predestined to reign with Christ and the others, in the age to come.


Predestined doesn't guarantee the person will continue in the faith, and not turn away from Christ.


Especially when the persecution starts.


Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:12-13


  • who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away


How can a person who falls away from Christ during persecution, choosing rather to renounce Christ to save their physical life, still be saved?



JLB
 
Brother, nowhere does it say predestined for salvation.

[Romans 8:29-30 NASB]
For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to become] conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

Can one be predestined to be ...
  • “conformed to the image of His Son”
  • “called”
  • “justified”
  • “glorified”
... and yet remain unsaved?

Please explain how this predestined, conformed, called, justified and glorified, but still unsaved person thing works. I think that being “called, justified and glorified” is the definition of salvation, so one predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ IS predestined for salvation.

You are being silly with your insistence on exact phrases.
 
Predestined doesn't guarantee the person will continue in the faith, and not turn away from Christ.
Yes, it does. That is exactly what predestine means.

προορίζω proorízō, pro-or-id'-zo; from G4253 (before) and G3724 (to limit or set boundaries); to limit in advance, i.e. (figuratively) predetermine:—determine before, ordain, predestinate.

The word means literally to set boundaries or limits in advance. That which God predestines to happen, God has set boundaries to ensure that it cannot NOT happen.
 
For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to become] conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

Can one be predestined to be ...
  • “conformed to the image of His Son”
  • “called”
  • “justified”
  • “glorified”
... and yet remain unsaved?

Absolutely not.

Only a regenerated born again Christ who is in Christ, can be conformed to His image.



JLB
 
Irresistible grace (or efficacious grace) is a doctrine in Christian theology particularly associated with Calvinism, which teaches that the saving grace of God is effectually applied to those whom He has determined to save (the elect) and, in God's timing, overcomes their resistance to obeying the call of the gospel, bringing them to faith in Christ. [Wikipedia]


from R.C. Sproul (Ligonier Ministries)
In historic Reformation thought, the notion is this: regeneration precedes faith. We also believe that regeneration is monergistic. Now that’s a three-dollar word. It means essentially that the divine operation called rebirth or regeneration is the work of God alone. An erg is a unit of labor, a unit of work. The word energycomes from that idea. The prefix mono- means “one.” So monergism means “one working.” It means that the work of regeneration in the human heart is something that God does by His power alone—not by 50 percent His power and 50 percent man’s power, or even 99 percent His power and 1 percent man’s power. It is 100 percent the work of God. He, and He alone, has the power to change the disposition of the soul and the human heart to bring us to faith.​
In addition, when He exercises this grace in the soul, He brings about the effect that He intends to bring about. When God created you, He brought you into existence. You didn’t help Him. It was His sovereign work that brought you to life biologically. Likewise, it is His work, and His alone, that brings you into the state of rebirth and of renewed creation. Hence, we call this irresistible grace. It’s grace that works. It’s grace that brings about what God wants it to bring about. If, indeed, we are dead in sins and trespasses, if, indeed, our wills are held captive by the lusts of our flesh and we need to be liberated from our flesh in order to be saved, then in the final analysis, salvation must be something that God does in us and for us, not something that we in any way do for ourselves.​
However, the idea of irresistibility conjures up the idea that one cannot possibly offer any resistance to the grace of God. However, the history of the human race is the history of relentless resistance to the sweetness of the grace of God. Irresistible grace does not mean that God’s grace is incapable of being resisted. Indeed, we are capable of resisting God’s grace, and we do resist it. The idea is that God’s grace is so powerful that it has the capacity to overcome our natural resistance to it. It is not that the Holy Spirit drags people kicking and screaming to Christ against their wills. The Holy Spirit changes the inclination and disposition of our wills, so that whereas we were previously unwilling to embrace Christ, now we are willing, and more than willing. Indeed, we aren’t dragged to Christ, we run to Christ, and we embrace Him joyfully because the Spirit has changed our hearts. They are no longer hearts of stone that are impervious to the commands of God and to the invitations of the gospel. God melts the hardness of our hearts when He makes us new creatures. The Holy Spirit resurrects us from spiritual death, so that we come to Christ because we want to come to Christ. The reason we want to come to Christ is because God has already done a work of grace in our souls. Without that work, we would never have any desire to come to Christ. That’s why we say that regeneration precedes faith.​
I have a little bit of a problem using the term irresistible grace, not because I don’t believe this classical doctrine, but because it is misleading to many people. Therefore, I prefer the term effectual grace, because the irresistible grace of God effects what God intends it to effect.​
If God intends grace to have an effect
and you wish to call it effectual grace...
then it is indeed IRRESISTIBLE....no matter what name you wish to give to it.

There's a problem with using TYPES of grace as are expoused by certain denominations. This is true for the Catholic denomination which has: Sanctifying Grace, Actual Grace.

These terms are not found in the bible - and when man begins to attribute to God explanations which God Himself did not inspire to be written...problems to occur.

Irresistible grace is called that for a reason:
The reformers decided that if man did not have Free Will, then how would one come to God? Through Irresistible Grace.....

As I've said often,,,one incorrect doctrine leads to the next one.

You explain I.G. very nicely,,,unfortunately it is not how "calvinism" explains it.

Are you a reformed believer or not?
It's kind of like me calling myself a Catholic but then not explaining their beliefs as THEY do.

Could we please stay with scripture and avoid all this needless talk.

The bible speaks of grace.

What is grace:

Grace is the unmerited favor of God toward His creatures.
It is God reaching down to help man.
It is God loving man, who is not lovable.
Grace is love that we do not deserve.


Can man resist grace?

John 5:40
And you are unwilling to come to Me, that you may have life.


The word UNWILLING shows that this was a free will choice.
One could be WILLING or UNWILLING.

John 5:46
For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote of Me.


Again, Jesus says that the pharisees did not believe...making belief a free will choice.

So much of scripture makes no sense unless grace CAN be resisted.
 
There's a problem with using TYPES of grace as are expoused by certain denominations. This is true for the Catholic denomination which has: Sanctifying Grace, Actual Grace.

These terms are not found in the bible - and when man begins to attribute to God explanations which God Himself did not inspire to be written...problems to occur.

Amen.

Why not just the words in the Bible such as grace.

Why add words that are not in the Bible to grace, to somehow redefine it to have special categories for special categorized people?


Man made words and terms are designed to prop up man made doctrines.


Calvinism is a man made theology.


The doctrine of Christ is found in the New Testament.



JLB
 
So much of scripture makes no sense unless grace CAN be resisted.

Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? Hebrews 10:28-29


Grace is the Holy Spirit; The Spirit of grace.

God’s unmerited ability given to us to do what we can not do without it.

  • Believe and obey the Gospel
  • Walk according to the Spirit
  • Practice Righteousness

To name a few.




“You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you. Acts 7:51



The Pharisees resisted God’s grace; Resisted the Spirit of grace.



JLB
 
Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? Hebrews 10:28-29


Grace is the Holy Spirit; The Spirit of grace.

God’s unmerited ability given to us to do what we can not do without it.

  • Believe and obey the Gospel
  • Walk according to the Spirit
  • Practice Righteousness

To name a few.




“You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you. Acts 7:51



The Pharisees resisted God’s grace; Resisted the Spirit of grace.



JLB
Great verses ----
Acts 7:51, if read simply, clearly states that the Holy Spirit was RESISTED.

51“You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.

The NASB takes me to
Exodus 32:9
9The LORD said to Moses, “I have seen this people, and behold, they are an obstinate people.


If the Israelites were an obstinate people,
and calvinism is correct in that man does not have free will...
THEN, as they accuse at times....GOD IS TRULY A WEAK GOD...
If He cannot even get the Israelites to do as HE wishes .
 
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Great verses ----
Acts 7:51, if read simply, clearly states that the Holy Spirit was RESISTED.

51“You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.

The NASB takes me to
Exodus 32:9
9The LORD said to Moses, “I have seen this people, and behold, they are an obstinate people.


If the Israelites were an obstinate people,
and calvinism is correct in that man does not have free will...
THEN, as they accuse at times....GOD IS TRULY A WEAK GOD...
If He cannot even get the Israelites to do as HE wishes .

We know from these examples, that we are the ones who are weak, and desperate everyday for His grace.

God gives grace to the humble.


It amazes me how people who build their theology from the writings and words and definitions of man, constantly resist the truth of God’s word.



JLB
 
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