TALMUD

[Prince]

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[Prince]

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[Prince]

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[Sinthesis]

I'm sorry, but these people are just plain evil. And these are the religious "Jews." The others are Secular Jews which means Atheist "Jews," and they are not much better; and as atheists they will not be very behind their "religious" Christ-denying brethren on Judgment Day. Is this an AntiSemitic thing to say? Well, they have made it so, but as we see it is statements based upon their own religious writings and what God's Bible says will happen to the heathen who deny Jesus Christ.

It would appear you find it very difficult to love your neighbor as yourself.2

 

[Prince]

It would appear you find it very difficult to love your neighbor as yourself.2

I dont respond to much to your post, you seem to like to make quick comments without actually reading or verifying the text.

Anyhow, perhaps you did not read the title and its author.

(Source: Come and Hear ... )WSBG

It would appear you find it very difficult to love your neighbor as yourself

It would only appear that way to a person who glanced over the materal and neglected to read the the title assuming I am the author, when in fact I am not. For the record I have always gotten along and enjoyed the company of neighbors.

 

[jasoncran]

have you actually gotten to know any orthodox jews and asked them on these things? probably not.

funny most of my family are jews some "athiestic" others orthodox, i dont ever recall my dad a disenfranchised jew doing those things. in fact he raised me right , sure he wasnt perfect but for what he did try to do, i cant complain.

 

[Prince]

have you actually gotten to know any orthodox jews and asked them on these things? probably not.

funny most of my family are jews some "athiestic" others orthodox, i dont ever recall my dad a disenfranchised jew doing those things. in fact he raised me right , sure he wasnt perfect but for what he did try to do, i cant complain.

have you actually gotten to know any orthodox jews and asked them on these things?

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[jasoncran]

No sadly I have not - I have studied there replies and writing, not to many Jews were I live , and the things I have posted were taken from the Talmud itself, I have a better idea, how about you ask your Jewish friends if they follow the Talmud, if they say yes point them to this article, and ask them if they believe in this.

they know what the talmud.let me ask you this.
jesus celebrated a talmudic holiday, the evil talmud as you say predates christianity by oral traditions.

i can name that holiday. do you honestly think the jews do that? incest and so on? come on. you need to really think about the current nation of isreal. sure the nation is pro gay rights and and abortion and modern judaism is a lie but still i wont call them as being pedophiles and also into incest.

here you go a orthodox jewish site that has a commentary on the views of sex. interesting very close to what the christians say and do.

no abortions save to save the mother, masterbastion is sin, homosexuality is sin.

Judaism 101: Kosher Sex

are all jews following that? nope. but then again neither do christians follow the commands of God and those need to repent.

 

[Prince]

they know what the talmud.let me ask you this.
jesus celebrated a talmudic holiday, the evil talmud as you say predates christianity by oral traditions.

i can name that holiday. do you honestly think the jews do that? incest and so on? come on. you need to really think about the current nation of isreal. sure the nation is pro gay rights and and abortion and modern judaism is a lie but still i wont call them as being pedophiles and also into incest.

here you go a orthodox jewish site that has a commentary on the views of sex. interesting very close to what the christians say and do.

no abortions save to save the mother, masterbastion is sin, homosexuality is sin.

Judaism 101: Kosher Sex

are all jews following that? nope. but then again neither do christians follow the commands of God and those need to repent.

Edit by Stovebolts: Removed Link. Note: Posting links is not an acceptable response as defined by this sites TOS.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ghter.htm+watchman+bible+study+kosher&ct=clnk

 

[jasoncran]

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ghter.htm+watchman+bible+study+kosher&ct=clnk

this is getting like the what the catholics say here, on watchmen,lol that as good site, lies all the time as another poster here says. so if one jews does it wrong there all bad. you know as a jewish christian i could return the favor and flip that on the christian churches.

shall i walk you through the murder of jews by 'christians"

quick list of the guilty.
martin luther
various catholics in the inquisition

all varifiable.
Martin Luther: The Jews and Their Lies

Anti-Semitism-Is This the Real Reason Jews Reject Jesus?

and for a edu site to kick it in.or rather the holocaust museum

The Danish Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies

now then care to actually realise what you are telling the jews? at least try to see what the talmud says and why its wrong you could actually read it for yourself. it cant be hard to see why the jews of today are in err. i did it one day when i befreinded one . i wonder why a jew wont respond to you.shoot its bothering me that you claim that.one would think that if the jews that have been in the us and well run much of the wealth of the us that these things would be reported common amongst jews.STOP and THINK and stop the false accusations here and now.surely some would actualy practice that and be arrested and it would be known to well me, dad raised in the temple. and i know theres a temple nearby and also surely orthodox jews.

on to why i posted that on christianity, do you see that i could say the same about all christians if i wanted too, and i have far more proof then you do.

but i am a christian and choose to realise that they are nuts in the "faith" that arent HIS but satanic spawns. to this day i have issues with Luther.i think he tried to reform the church and later messed up but i cant and wont say where his soul is.cant you see where and what this does to the jews? you falsely claim that all of them that practice the talmud do this. have you actually read the talmud? by your admission NO.

sir i must ask are you anti-semitic,cause you sure are pushing it buddy!you can criticise the judaism all day long but i see that when i presented what the orthodox jew says i get that response. am i correct to believe that you wrongly assume all jews are evil because someone on the net or by hearsy said the talmud is this?

i hope not.for your soul.

 

[jasoncran]

here you go the entire talmud translated by jews for english speakers read up. surely you would like to know what they say. i seriously doubt you got it from the horses mouth.

i have a motto, and i strive to live by it. if you want to know what a group believes just ask them. let them speak and then counter if need be. if its of the devil he will tell on himself.


Links To Jewish Websites _ _

and here

http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/talmud.htm

 

[stovebolts]

First off may I state that the Ten Commandments are Laws. There are many other laws as well. The first five books of the Bible are also referred to as the torah (the Law), but this is not be confused with Jewish law (Jewish "torah"), which is the Talmud NOT the Old Testament of the Bible! The Judaics have co-opted the term "torah;" and included with the Old Testament laws, they added-in other "laws (Mitzvot) so that in Judaism you now have 613 laws (the Taryag mitzvot—i.e., "the 613 laws"), thus completely changing the face of God's Law and religion to that of their Babylonian capturers and their false gods (Moloch, the En SOF, Metatron (the "demiurge" of the Talmud & Cabala identical to the Persian sun god "Mithra", etc.). That is what modern-day Judaism is—a corruption of the Old Testament religion of true Israel.

Not that I am defending the Jews, but I will defend what is true and what is a farce.

The Torah is comprised of the first five books of the Bible and means "Teachings", which is also translated as "Laws".

Anyone can go through the Torah and count the commandments and they will count 613 commandments. A complete list of the 613 commandments with their corresponding Torah reference can be found in the below link.

Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

Now then, as far as the Talmud, it is a collection of Jewish writings that now also include the Oral traditions that were written a few hundred years after the second Temple was destroyed. The Talmud is comprised of various styles and groupings, such as Midrash or Kaballah just to name two of a wide variety. the Talmud in it's brevity could be compared to stating, "An American". That's a pretty broad statement considering the variety that is embodied within the title, "American". Thus the term American by contrast can be compared to the term "Talmud".

Lastly, "Law's" and "Mitzvot" are two different things. A Law is a statement / commandment while a Mitzvot is the living out of that statement / commandment.

For instance, the Bible tells us that the greatest commandment is to love the Lord with all our heart, soul and strength and that the second greatest commandment is to love our neighbor as ourselves. These are great commandments, but they have to be lived out which brings us to Mitzot because it is one thing to say something and entirely another to do something, or as James would say it, "Don't just look in the mirror and then walk away and forget who you are..."

So you see, it is one thing to know what to do (Torah) and another thing to do what you know (Mitzvot). As an example, to love your neighbor as yourself may include treating your neighbor better than you'd treat yourself. Regardless, it's the action of treating the other in accordance with the commandment that is considered the Mitzot and as I stated earlier, the Miztov is founded on the 613 commandments of the Torah (First five books of the Bible)

If we start in error, we end in error. I do hope you see the error in your opening statement.

 

[Prince]

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[stovebolts]

Adultery is permitted with the wife of a minor, and wife of a non-Jew. (See Exhibit 53) The pretense is that a minor not being a "man" yet, and the non-Jew having non-human status, Talmudically, the Biblical law does not apply. Thus, once again do the Pharisees make the commandments of God of "none effect" as Christ said. (Matthew 15:6, Mark 7:13)

I don't think that's what the Rabbi's are saying, nor do I believe it's their pretense and as far as the Jew's believing that non-Jews are "non-human", that goes against their core beliefs.

One thing you need to keep in mind that various Rabbi's held different "Yokes", and the "Yoke" of that particular Rabbi interpreted the commandments listed in the footnotes; Also, in the days of Jesus were two very big guns on the scene that taught Torah. The School of Shami and that of Hillel. Jesus sided with Hillel on all issues except divorce where he sided with Shami.

Leviticus 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

This raises a serious question for the Rabbi's. Lev 20:10 clearly states, "A Man", and Lev 19 clearly states, "the Children". How then do you charge a child in the case when the commandment is clearly written for Adults?

Mind you, we are talking about the penalty being Strangulation of the offender.

Even in our society we treat children and teen differently than adults when they commit a crime.

 

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[stovebolts]

Decide for youself, im sure you will agree on much.



Not always true, more of textual rule of thumb. But then considering that one must understand where these "fake Jews" come from to understand. Genesis

I have showed the flaws in your opening statement, yet you will not directly reply to them?

How can one have such a flawed understanding on the cornerstone of Judiasm (Commandments and Mitzvot) and rightly speak for that group?

 

[Prince]

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[stovebolts]

Please re-read what they are saying

Prince,
This is not your bulletin board to post links to other sites in lieu of an articulated response from yourself. I believe our TOS addresses this issue. Let me know if you need help finding the specific rule in the TOS.

Please engage in dialog posting your sources where need be.

 

[Prince]

Prince,
This is not your bulletin board to post links to other sites in lieu of an articulated response from yourself. I believe our TOS addresses this issue. Let me know if you need help finding the specific rule in the TOS.

Please engage in dialog posting your sources where need be.

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[stovebolts]

Adultery is permitted with the wife of a minor, and wife of a non-Jew. (See Exhibit 53) The pretense is that a minor not being a "man" yet, and the non-Jew having non-human status, Talmudically, the Biblical law does not apply. Thus, once again do the Pharisees make the commandments of God of "none effect" as Christ said. (Matthew 15:6, Mark 7:13)

I don't think that's what the Rabbi's are saying, nor do I believe it's their pretense and as far as the Jew's believing that non-Jews are "non-human", that goes against their core beliefs.

One thing you need to keep in mind that various Rabbi's held different "Yokes", and the "Yoke" of that particular Rabbi interpreted the commandments listed in the footnotes; Also, in the days of Jesus were two very big guns on the scene that taught Torah. The School of Shami and that of Hillel. Jesus sided with Hillel on all issues except divorce where he sided with Shami.

Leviticus 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

This raises a serious question for the Rabbi's. Lev 20:10 clearly states, "A Man", and Lev 19 clearly states, "the Children". How then do you charge a child in the case when the commandment is clearly written for Adults?

Mind you, we are talking about the penalty being Strangulation of the offender.

Even in our society we treat children and teen differently than adults when they commit a crime.

Prince,

To reiterate, the Rabbi is not "Permitting" Adultry in the case where adultery includes a minor. What the Rabbi is not permitting, is the strangulation of said minor which was the method of killing an adulterer which is based on the two commandments that addressed both adultery and how to treat minors.

If you were held liable for living out the two commandments above because God commanded them, how would you rule in the case where a teenager was involved in Adultery without violating a commandment in your judgement?

You see, if you murder the child, you violate the commandment. Furthermore, the scriptures don't speak on minors involved in Adultery. So how do you rule in this case based on God's commandments?