taoism and judo and ancestor worship

[jasoncran]

taoism i know has influenced aikido and judo. the former more so.

http://www.radiantdolphinpress.com/page ... imple.html

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to the fellow believers taoism does have ancestor worship to it.

 

[seekandlisten]

taoism i know has influenced aikido and judo. the former more so.

I haven't looked into the influence of the eastern religions on certain martial arts but isn't the principles they apply to the fighting style along the lines of the entire body moving together in harmony?

Something I read on aikido presented the concept of soft surpassing the hard. In the Tao Teh Ching this concept is presented in chapter 78 using water as an illustration.

There is nothing in the world more soft and weak than water,
and yet for attacking things that are firm and strong there is nothing
that can take precedence of it;--for there is nothing (so effectual)
for which it can be changed.

Every one in the world knows that the soft overcomes the hard, and
the weak the strong, but no one is able to carry it out in practice.

Also in the 76th chapter it uses elements in nature to make this point.

All growing plants are soft and supple,
at death they are withered and dry.
Therefore the hard and unbendable belongs to death,
while the soft and bendable belongs to life.

to the fellow believers taoism does have ancestor worship to it.

I don't think it's worship like you would worship 'God' though. It is more out of respect.

Ancestor worshipping is not asking for favours, but to fulfil one’s filial duties. The act is a way to respect, honour and look after ancestors in their afterlives guaranteeing the ancestors’ well-being and positive disposition towards the living, as well as possibly seeking the ancestors’ wisdom, guidance or assistance for their living descendants.
One has to pay respect and homage to the ancestors, honour the deeds and memories of the deceased, since the ancestors are the ones having brought the descendants into the world, nourished them and having prepared the conditions under which the descendants grew up, hence ancestor veneration is a pay back of spiritual debts.

Being an important aspect of the Chinese culture, the social or non-religious function of ancestor worship is to cultivate kinship values like filial piety, family loyalty, and continuity of the family lineage.

Source: http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/C ... orship.htm

Taoism which literally means 'the way' is not so much a unified religion but rather a way of life based on many teachings and revelations. There are different branches of Taoism but most hold some basic core principles.

Here are two of my favorite passages from the Tao Teh Ching.

Chapter 11

The thirty spokes unite in the one nave; but it is on the empty
space (for the axle), that the use of the wheel depends. Clay is
fashioned into vessels; but it is on their empty hollowness, that
their use depends. The door and windows are cut out (from the walls)
to form an apartment; but it is on the empty space (within), that its
use depends. Therefore, what has a (positive) existence serves for
profitable adaptation, and what has not that for (actual) usefulness.

Chapter 14

We look at it, and we do not see it, and we name it 'the
Equable.' We listen to it, and we do not hear it, and we name it 'the
Inaudible.' We try to grasp it, and do not get hold of it, and we
name it 'the Subtle.' With these three qualities, it cannot be made
the subject of description; and hence we blend them together and
obtain The One.


cheers

 

[jasoncran]

i was wanting to show where the ideas of martials arts come from.

 

[seekandlisten]

i was wanting to show where the ideas of martials arts come from.

I'm interested in the link as well that's why I'm asking. What exactly are the ideas that come from the eastern religions that transfer over into martial arts? I haven't done much research on it so the only thing I've come across so far is the 'soft overcoming the hard', the meditation aspect of it, and the 'body moving as one or in unity(part of the meditation aspect as well I think). I've also seen where some of the movements are coordinated together in a type of meditation/body coordination exercise.

cheers

 

[jasoncran]

i was wanting to show where the ideas of martials arts come from.

I'm interested in the link as well that's why I'm asking. What exactly are the ideas that come from the eastern religions that transfer over into martial arts? I haven't done much research on it so the only thing I've come across so far is the 'soft overcoming the hard', the meditation aspect of it, and the 'body moving as one or in unity(part of the meditation aspect as well I think). I've also seen where some of the movements are coordinated together in a type of meditation/body coordination exercise.

cheers

the idea of ki, the fluidity, and also the concept of the making a better you by the idea of mediditative execercises. that is for judo and aikido mainly

karate-do has a different type of influence to it.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

the idea of ki, the fluidity, and also the concept of the making a better you by the idea of mediditative execercises. that is for judo and aikido mainly

karate-do has a different type of influence to it.

Well, ki is the life force within us, the soul really. In Hinduism and Buddhism, ki is suppressed at the Chakra points based on attachments we hold in life. By letting go of attachments, we can be fully aware and open our third eye. Allowing greater knowledge and wisdom to be perceived. The art of meditation and Meditational exercises such as Martial arts, Ti Chi, and Yoga alow for us to clear paths in our mind and silence mental noise. Allowing our thoughts to stop clouding our judgment so we can perceive the vibration of the universe also known as "OM". For a sage this produces wisdom and leadership. For a warrior this produces a marksmen and a force to be reckoned with. No distractions, no feeling, only "OM". To be like the mountain.

 

[jasoncran]

the idea of ki, the fluidity, and also the concept of the making a better you by the idea of mediditative execercises. that is for judo and aikido mainly

karate-do has a different type of influence to it.

Well, ki is the life force within us, the soul really. In Hinduism and Buddhism, ki is suppressed at the Chakra points based on attachments we hold in life. By letting go of attachments, we can be fully aware and open our third eye. Allowing greater knowledge and wisdom to be perceived. The art of meditation and Meditational exercises such as Martial arts, Ti Chi, and Yoga alow for us to clear paths in our mind and silence mental noise. Allowing our thoughts to stop clouding our judgment so we can perceive the vibration of the universe also known as "OM". For a sage this produces wisdom and leadership. For a warrior this produces a marksmen and a force to be reckoned with. No distractions, no feeling, only "OM". To be like the mountain.

well in the martials one kills with this ki thing, that is if you believe in that.

on ki when i'm in the mood, i will do a thread and i know theres been studies on this. especially the reiki aka faith healing.

btw most of ki masters get whooped in mma.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

well in the martials one kills with this ki thing, that is if you believe in that.

I don't believe energy functions that way.

on ki when i'm in the mood, i will do a thread and i know theres been studies on this. especially the reiki aka faith healing.

If you don't mind, when you make that thread, I can find you some psychology articles that explain the phenomenon from the outside point of view.

btw most of ki masters get whooped in mma.

Yes, but a trained Chinese warrior under Sun Tzu, could kick their buts. ;)

 

[jasoncran]

well in the martials one kills with this ki thing, that is if you believe in that.

I don't believe energy functions that way.

on ki when i'm in the mood, i will do a thread and i know theres been studies on this. especially the reiki aka faith healing.

If you don't mind, when you make that thread, I can find you some psychology articles that explain the phenomenon from the outside point of view.

[quote:3d46g8tu]btw most of ki masters get whooped in mma.

Yes, but a trained Chinese warrior under Sun Tzu, could kick their buts. ;)[/quote:3d46g8tu]
what does aikido,judo, and karate-do have kiais. all those yells that sound quote from the kids, when actually done with proper breathe from one's center will have alot of power. i have seen a guy literaly put his fist through a canvas bag while not even doing a kaia.

its true that the older arts could hang in mma, but none of this ki shields, ki blocks would be done, just the breathing and very basic stuff will work.

i will later go into the putting of fingers through coke cans and also the iron palm thing. all most likely explainable by some scientific study.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

what does aikido,judo, and karate-do have kiais. all those yells that sound quote from the kids, when actually done with proper breathe from one's center will have alot of power. i have seen a guy literaly put his fist through a canvas bag while not even doing a kaia.

I'm not as fresh on my martial arts and physiology as I wish I was, but I think it has something to do with Chakra points and physics. I do know we have tolerances in our body that prevents us from doing extreme damage to ourselves and others. Its a fail safe. I do know that Jaw has the ability to bite through solid brick if all force was released, but we have enough fail safes to keep from exuding that pressure.

its true that the older arts could hang in mma, but none of this ki shields, ki blocks would be done, just the breathing and very basic stuff will work.

Agree, I think the Ki shield and ball things is actually pretty new.

[quote:36zyqsnk]i will later go into the putting of fingers through coke cans and also the iron palm thing. all most likely explainable by some scientific study.

[/quote:36zyqsnk]awesome.

 

[jasoncran]

the finger stuff and the shin toughening isnt all that, as well one deadens the nerves and that is permanent.

i have a tai boxer friend who has no feeling in shins or ribs and later he wont be able to walk. that is the price he will pay.