Tasted Death for every Man !

[brightfame52]

The writer of Hebrews wrote Heb 2:9

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Now honestly, did the writer write here that Christ tasted death for all mankind without exception here ? Nope he did not. In the original man isnt in the verse:

τὸν δὲ βραχύ τι παρ᾽ ἀγγέλους ἠλαττωμένον βλέπομεν Ἰησοῦν διὰ τὸ πάθημα τοῦ θανάτου δόξῃ καὶ τιμῇ ἐστεφανωμένον ὅπως χάριτι θεοῦ ὑπὲρ παντὸς γεύσηται θανάτου

Man was added by the translators. The word pas can refer to all the whole, the sum total of all the group intended. Context is important n determining the group that the writer has in mind. Lets look at the very next verse 10

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Bingo, its the many sons that e suffered and died for, or tasted death for, The word many polys:

many, much, large, many, numerous, great

He tasted death for many Sons, a great number of them, everyone of them. This is important,, because later in the same epistle the writer uses the adjective many again to denote who He tasted death for Heb 9:28

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

See to taste death back in Heb 2:9 is the exact same thing as " to bear the sins of many;" again, the many Sons of vs 10, everyone of the sons is who He tasted death for, not all of mankind without exception.

See Isa 53:11

He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

 

[for_his_glory]

Are you a "whosoever"?

 

[Hopeful]

The writer of Hebrews wrote Heb 2:9

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Now honestly, did the writer write here that Christ tasted death for all mankind without exception here ? Nope he did not. In the original man isnt in the verse:

τὸν δὲ βραχύ τι παρ᾽ ἀγγέλους ἠλαττωμένον βλέπομεν Ἰησοῦν διὰ τὸ πάθημα τοῦ θανάτου δόξῃ καὶ τιμῇ ἐστεφανωμένον ὅπως χάριτι θεοῦ ὑπὲρ παντὸς γεύσηται θανάτου

Man was added by the translators. The word pas can refer to all the whole, the sum total of all the group intended. Context is important n determining the group that the writer has in mind. Lets look at the very next verse 10

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Bingo, its the many sons that e suffered and died for, or tasted death for, The word many polys:

many, much, large, many, numerous, great

He tasted death for many Sons, a great number of them, everyone of them. This is important,, because later in the same epistle the writer uses the adjective many again to denote who He tasted death for Heb 9:28

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

See to taste death back in Heb 2:9 is the exact same thing as " to bear the sins of many;" again, the many Sons of vs 10, everyone of the sons is who He tasted death for, not all of mankind without exception.

See Isa 53:11

He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Why or who would be the "exception" that He didn't experience death for?

 

[brightfame52]

Are you a "whosoever"?

Did you read the OP ? Care to discuss the point made with scripture ?

 

[brightfame52]

Why or who would be the "exception" that He didn't experience death for?

Did you read the OP ? According to it, who is the very man in Heb 2:9 ?

 

[JLB]

The writer of Hebrews wrote Heb 2:9

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Now honestly, did the writer write here that Christ tasted death for all mankind without exception here ? Nope he did not. In the original man isnt in the verse:

τὸν δὲ βραχύ τι παρ᾽ ἀγγέλους ἠλαττωμένον βλέπομεν Ἰησοῦν διὰ τὸ πάθημα τοῦ θανάτου δόξῃ καὶ τιμῇ ἐστεφανωμένον ὅπως χάριτι θεοῦ ὑπὲρ παντὸς γεύσηται θανάτου

Man was added by the translators. The word pas can refer to all the whole, the sum total of all the group intended. Context is important n determining the group that the writer has in mind. Lets look at the very next verse 10

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Bingo, its the many sons that e suffered and died for, or tasted death for, The word many polys:

many, much, large, many, numerous, great

He tasted death for many Sons, a great number of them, everyone of them. This is important,, because later in the same epistle the writer uses the adjective many again to denote who He tasted death for Heb 9:28

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

See to taste death back in Heb 2:9 is the exact same thing as " to bear the sins of many;" again, the many Sons of vs 10, everyone of the sons is who He tasted death for, not all of mankind without exception.

See Isa 53:11

He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

For He has not put the world to come, of which we speak, in subjection to angels. But one testified in a certain place, saying:
“What is man that You are mindful of him,
Or the son of man that You take care of him?
You have made him a little lower than the angels;
You have crowned him with glory and honor,
And set him over the works of Your hands.
You have put all things in subjection under his feet.”
For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone. Hebrews 2:5-9


He tasted death for everyone, men and women.

He died for the sins of the world.


For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16





JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

Did you read the OP ? Care to discuss the point made with scripture ?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

The point being is that Jesus laid His own life down in physical death (tasted death) and God raised Him from the dead and now sits at the right hand of God making intercession for us that we would never see death, Rev 20:14-15, but eternal life with Him.

 

[Blade]

"the suffering of the death with glory and with honor having been crowned so tha by grace of God for everyone he might taste death". In my searching again just now in books I have and on the net.. I did not come to the same conclusion you did. In Heb 2:9 it is everyman or everyone or all men. A very few translations don't have that.

Now just looking at different translations going back to 1382/1534/1537/1539/1560/1568/ it was "all" or "all men" then up to 1769 they used "every man". Then stop counting 27 translations today not one used "many" Most used "every man" "everyone".

yes yes could have posted the org greek and went nuts but seeing how different bible translations read.. well makes it simple for others.

 

[Hopeful]

Did you read the OP ? According to it, who is the very man in Heb 2:9 ?

OK, after a re-read of the OP I see you answered your own question.
He died for everyone, without exception.
It is such a pity that so many refuse it.

 

[brightfame52]

For He has not put the world to come, of which we speak, in subjection to angels. But one testified in a certain place, saying:
“What is man that You are mindful of him,
Or the son of man that You take care of him?
You have made him a little lower than the angels;
You have crowned him with glory and honor,
And set him over the works of Your hands.
You have put all things in subjection under his feet.”
For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone. Hebrews 2:5-9


He tasted death for everyone, men and women.

He died for the sins of the world.


For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16





JLB

Do you understand the OP ?

 

[brightfame52]

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

The point being is that Jesus laid His own life down in physical death (tasted death) and God raised Him from the dead and now sits at the right hand of God making intercession for us that we would never see death, Rev 20:14-15, but eternal life with Him.

Did you read the Op points, lets discuss them

 

[brightfame52]

OK, after a re-read of the OP I see you answered your own question.
He died for everyone, without exception.
It is such a pity that so many refuse it.

I cant tell you read op, or that you understood it.

 

[for_his_glory]

Did you read the Op points, lets discuss them

Did you not read my reply #7 with the scriptures that we can discuss?

Why are you asking everyone if they read the OP instead of discussing their replies? What is it you are looking for?

 

[brightfame52]

Did you not read my reply #7 with the scriptures that we can discuss?

Why are you asking everyone if they read the OP instead of discussing their replies? What is it you are looking for?

Because I want to discuss the points I made in the OP, why else would i start the thread ? I didnt start it to discuss other scriptures I didnt bring up !

 

[brightfame52]

"the suffering of the death with glory and with honor having been crowned so tha by grace of God for everyone he might taste death". In my searching again just now in books I have and on the net.. I did not come to the same conclusion you did. In Heb 2:9 it is everyman or everyone or all men. A very few translations don't have that.

Now just looking at different translations going back to 1382/1534/1537/1539/1560/1568/ it was "all" or "all men" then up to 1769 they used "every man". Then stop counting 27 translations today not one used "many" Most used "every man" "everyone".

yes yes could have posted the org greek and went nuts but seeing how different bible translations read.. well makes it simple for others.

According to the context who are the everyone He tasted death for ? Heb 2:9-10

 

[for_his_glory]

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Now honestly, did the writer write here that Christ tasted death for all mankind without exception here ? Nope he did not. In the original man isnt in the verse:

If not for every man then in whom did Jesus taste death for?

 

[for_his_glory]

τὸν δὲ βραχύ τι παρ᾽ ἀγγέλους ἠλαττωμένον βλέπομεν Ἰησοῦν διὰ τὸ πάθημα τοῦ θανάτου δόξῃ καὶ τιμῇ ἐστεφανωμένον ὅπως χάριτι θεοῦ ὑπὲρ παντὸς γεύσηται θανάτου

Since we can not read this can you translate it into English?

 

[Hopeful]

I cant tell you read op, or that you understood it.

You seem intent on making the word "many" different than "all".
I see them the same.

 

[brightfame52]

If not for every man then in whom did Jesus taste death for?

Lol, I cant believe you asked me that, read the OP again

 

[brightfame52]

Since we can not read this can you translate it into English?

I already did, it corresponds with Heb 2:9