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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
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https://christianforums.net/threads/anointed-preaching-teaching.109331/#post-1912042
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Teacher Suspended For Telling The Truth
- Thread starter Lewis
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I guess I failed to finish my story to express that even though my father was this way, I am not. I'm the guy most people these days hate to get behind because I'm the one that sets the cruise at the speed limit and drives and I don't care if there's a mile long trail of speeders behind me itching to get around me no matter how close they tailgate me.
My point was that past experience with children from her previous classes doesn't give validity to her claims. I must admit that the odds are in her favor and I'm sure if one would study her past classes her assumption could hold some merit but her claims are only a guess based on previous experience but somehow I don't believe she has the ability to predict any of those children's future.
Shoot, consider any grade school class of children in any school, public or private, and one might be able to predict with some reasonable accuracy that many of those kids will get involved with drugs, alcohol, premarital sex, theft, and a host of other possibilities but would it be right for their teachers to cover them all with a blanket and claim they are future criminals?
jasoncran
Member
Ya think!!!! i hated and hate the views of the 60s generation.i learned real quick that these so called enlightened persons arent. i saw that through two zen loving friends of mine. one was so into zen and would mock any martial art but theirs(aikido) and i would put him in place with my yrs of martial art knowledge.in zen theres not right or wrong way just what is.
but that is another subject.
Lewis
Member
Many schools in America has a cop in them. The high school that I went to has 2 patrolling when I went there, that would be Overbrook High, same school that Wilt Chamberlin and Stanley Clark went to. Now they have a metal detector machine that you have to walk through. It is normal to see cops at schools at certain schools in the USA.
Pizzaguy
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Lewis
Member
Those little angels attacks teachers. If you can see the post above where I mentioned the videos, you will see a teacher talk about the 2nd and 3rd graders and their violence. She had been slapped by one of them plus other thing done to her by these little monsters.The metal detector isn’t used to pick up children with braces. It is used to detect weapons, right?
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I don't think little angles carry weapons.
l'Chante
Member
My point exactly. I don't think the teacher exaggerated when she that they are future criminals. Little angles don't carry weapons to school, now do they?
Lewis
Member
PHILADELPHIA —
Tabitha Allen blames herself for her 10-year-old son's violent behavior.
Growing up and living in a drug-infested, hooker-inhabited neighborhood, the 33-year-old mother of five is angry about life.
"My anger reflects off my children," Allen explained one morning in the North Philadelphia rowhouse she inherited from her grandmother. Her son — a thin, almost gaunt, boy with long eyelashes — punched a teacher last June at Kenderton Elementary School, a K-8 in Tioga. He knocked the glasses off her face and blackened her eye with a blow that packed unexpected power.
As a 10-year-old, he had reached the minimum age to be arrested, and ended up with a simple assault charge in Family Court, where he was put on probation. He was removed from Kenderton and transferred to a classroom for disruptive elementary school students in Logan.
Only last week, Allen said that her son was disciplined for having a BB gun at his new school. She said it was a misunderstanding and that the gun belonged to another student.
Allen's son typifies a disturbing side of violence in Philadelphia schools.
A yearlong Inquirer investigation found that young children — from kindergartners to 10-year-olds — have been assaulting and threatening classmates and staff members with increasing ferocity and sophistication.
A number of the attacks had sexual elements — there were 187 morals offenses during the last five years in schools with grades no higher than fifth, and 1,118 in all elementary schools, including K-8 buildings. About 60 percent were classified as indecent assault.
Children 10 and under account for nearly 18 percent — more than one in six — of all students committing offenses reported in the entire district, according to 2009-10 data submitted to the Pennsylvania Department of Education and obtained by The Inquirer. The Inquirer looked at violence in that age group because, by law, children under 10 are not arrested.
A sampling of incident reports filed by school police during the last five years, coupled with interviews, offers chilling accounts:
—In October 2010 at Dobson Elementary, a K-8 in Manayunk, a classroom assistant was spat on, punched and kicked — all by a kindergartner. The aide suffered torn ligaments and tendons in a hand.
—At Southwark Elementary, a K-8 school in South Philadelphia in October 2010, a 10-year-old boy "body slammed" into his teacher with such force that she suffered a concussion as she fell to the ground.
—In June 2009, a Douglass Elementary student issued a startling warning to a second grader at the K-8 school in North Philadelphia whom she was choking: "I know where you live, and I will burn your house down."
—In April 2008, in a third-grade classroom at Taylor Elementary, a K-5 school in Hunting Park, one child held a knife against a classmate's throat and threatened to cut off his head if he snitched.
—At the K-8 Morris Elementary in North Philadelphia in February 2008, an angry 9-year-old punched his pregnant teacher in the stomach.
—In December 2007, on the playground at Richmond Elementary, a K-5 school in Port Richmond, a 10-year-old girl's classmate forced her head down to his groin.
During the 2009-10 school year, an Inquirer analysis shows, eight of the top 10 highest rates for morals crimes in the district were recorded in elementary schools.
More than half of the 177 elementary schools — including K-8 buildings and other early learning schools — reported a morals crime in 2009-10. Ninety percent have dealt with at least one sex crime in the last five years.
Overall violence rates rose in nearly half the elementary schools, according to a five-year Inquirer analysis of the district's raw data through June 2010.
Concerns have arisen even at some of the district's most highly regarded elementary schools.
The school system is also overwhelmed with young students living amid poverty, violence, and disorder, some of them largely unparented.
Often, the district has failed to heed the warning signs of violence in its youngsters and figure out a systemic plan to address the problem, with dire consequences.
"By the time they get to middle school and high school, (violence) metastasizes like cancer," said Charles A. Williams 3d, director of the Center for Prevention of School-Aged Violence at Drexel University.
During the last several years, district officials began a handful of programs they say make for a good start, including a bullying and violence prevention curriculum in K-12, said Benjamin Wright, assistant superintendent of alternative education, who oversees discipline in the 155,000-student district.
More than five years ago — when Paul Vallas was still running it — the school district also created alternative classrooms for violent and extremely disruptive third and fourth graders within regular elementary schools scattered around the city. It hired Abraxas, a Houston company, to oversee these special classrooms.
Children in kindergarten through second grade who commit violent offenses remain in their schools — sometimes in the same classroom — and get help. Or they can be transferred to another elementary school.
Transfers at that age rarely happen, Wright said. The district, he said, doesn't keep records in its central archive, but he maintained that no more than five cases occurred in the last school year.
He opposes sending children that young to alternative schools or classrooms. They are in school to learn good behavior, and it's not right to banish them to a disciplinary setting, he said.
"In kindergarten, you're supposed to teach kids how to act when they're going through school," he said.
But teachers say their schools lack enough training, psychological services, and coordination with other agencies to address the problem.
In a recent survey of more than 750 teachers and aides, conducted in a partnership by The Inquirer and Temple University, nearly equal numbers of educators in elementary, middle, and high schools said the problems of violence and disruptive student behavior are getting worse.
Violence worsened during the last three years, said 53 percent of the respondents who work at elementary schools. In middle schools, 57 percent said it was worse, and in high schools, 59 percent.
Those working in the elementary schools, the survey showed, are as likely as those in middle and high schools to see bullying, fighting, and physical attacks on students every day.
Sometimes, teachers are the victims.
Violence sometimes takes on sexual overtones, which teachers must handle, but often don't anticipate.
Six years ago, in an effort to deal with sexually oriented attacks by young children, the district hired the Philadelphia-based Joseph J. Peters Institute, which counsels victims and perpetrators of sexual abuse. The institute screens district students 10 and under.
Most cases involve touching or attempting to touch another student, said Thomas F. Haworth, director of the child and adolescent programs at the institute.
Young children who commit violent sexual acts sometimes have been abused themselves, or have been exposed to the acts either through the media or in their homes or neighborhoods, experts say.
At the elementary level, support and coping skills are what violent students most need, experts say.
"Punishment's not the answer," said Paul Fink, a psychiatrist who has worked with the district. "You need to ask what happened. Talk to the child."
Schools, too, particularly in urban and poor areas, must recognize that many students suffer from post-traumatic stress because they have been exposed to violence.
"If you keep those feelings in, eventually the child is going to explode. That's what the school sees. That's what the neighborhood sees," said Judith Cohen, medical director at the Center for Traumatic Stress in Children and Adolescents at Allegheny General Hospital in Pittsburgh and a professor of psychiatry at Drexel.
Children feel they can release their anger in school because it's a safe place, unlike the neighborhoods where many of them live, Cohen said.
She cited the case of a first grader in Pittsburgh public schools who hit her teacher. The child had been raped repeatedly by a male in the home since she was a toddler.
Only genuinely violent youngsters should be removed from the classroom, said Myrna Shure, a professor of psychology at Drexel. Too often, schools target highly disruptive students as well, she said.
But schools can't do it all, said Williams, of Drexel's violence prevention center.
"Parents are not doing what they need to do to prepare these kids, to manage their behavior, to manage expectations," he said. "Far too many parents have completely abdicated their responsibilities as parents."
Philly school violence even in elementary grades | www.wsbradio.com
Tabitha Allen blames herself for her 10-year-old son's violent behavior.
Growing up and living in a drug-infested, hooker-inhabited neighborhood, the 33-year-old mother of five is angry about life.
"My anger reflects off my children," Allen explained one morning in the North Philadelphia rowhouse she inherited from her grandmother. Her son — a thin, almost gaunt, boy with long eyelashes — punched a teacher last June at Kenderton Elementary School, a K-8 in Tioga. He knocked the glasses off her face and blackened her eye with a blow that packed unexpected power.
As a 10-year-old, he had reached the minimum age to be arrested, and ended up with a simple assault charge in Family Court, where he was put on probation. He was removed from Kenderton and transferred to a classroom for disruptive elementary school students in Logan.
Only last week, Allen said that her son was disciplined for having a BB gun at his new school. She said it was a misunderstanding and that the gun belonged to another student.
Allen's son typifies a disturbing side of violence in Philadelphia schools.
A yearlong Inquirer investigation found that young children — from kindergartners to 10-year-olds — have been assaulting and threatening classmates and staff members with increasing ferocity and sophistication.
A number of the attacks had sexual elements — there were 187 morals offenses during the last five years in schools with grades no higher than fifth, and 1,118 in all elementary schools, including K-8 buildings. About 60 percent were classified as indecent assault.
Children 10 and under account for nearly 18 percent — more than one in six — of all students committing offenses reported in the entire district, according to 2009-10 data submitted to the Pennsylvania Department of Education and obtained by The Inquirer. The Inquirer looked at violence in that age group because, by law, children under 10 are not arrested.
A sampling of incident reports filed by school police during the last five years, coupled with interviews, offers chilling accounts:
—In October 2010 at Dobson Elementary, a K-8 in Manayunk, a classroom assistant was spat on, punched and kicked — all by a kindergartner. The aide suffered torn ligaments and tendons in a hand.
—At Southwark Elementary, a K-8 school in South Philadelphia in October 2010, a 10-year-old boy "body slammed" into his teacher with such force that she suffered a concussion as she fell to the ground.
—In June 2009, a Douglass Elementary student issued a startling warning to a second grader at the K-8 school in North Philadelphia whom she was choking: "I know where you live, and I will burn your house down."
—In April 2008, in a third-grade classroom at Taylor Elementary, a K-5 school in Hunting Park, one child held a knife against a classmate's throat and threatened to cut off his head if he snitched.
—At the K-8 Morris Elementary in North Philadelphia in February 2008, an angry 9-year-old punched his pregnant teacher in the stomach.
—In December 2007, on the playground at Richmond Elementary, a K-5 school in Port Richmond, a 10-year-old girl's classmate forced her head down to his groin.
During the 2009-10 school year, an Inquirer analysis shows, eight of the top 10 highest rates for morals crimes in the district were recorded in elementary schools.
More than half of the 177 elementary schools — including K-8 buildings and other early learning schools — reported a morals crime in 2009-10. Ninety percent have dealt with at least one sex crime in the last five years.
Overall violence rates rose in nearly half the elementary schools, according to a five-year Inquirer analysis of the district's raw data through June 2010.
Concerns have arisen even at some of the district's most highly regarded elementary schools.
The school system is also overwhelmed with young students living amid poverty, violence, and disorder, some of them largely unparented.
Often, the district has failed to heed the warning signs of violence in its youngsters and figure out a systemic plan to address the problem, with dire consequences.
"By the time they get to middle school and high school, (violence) metastasizes like cancer," said Charles A. Williams 3d, director of the Center for Prevention of School-Aged Violence at Drexel University.
During the last several years, district officials began a handful of programs they say make for a good start, including a bullying and violence prevention curriculum in K-12, said Benjamin Wright, assistant superintendent of alternative education, who oversees discipline in the 155,000-student district.
More than five years ago — when Paul Vallas was still running it — the school district also created alternative classrooms for violent and extremely disruptive third and fourth graders within regular elementary schools scattered around the city. It hired Abraxas, a Houston company, to oversee these special classrooms.
Children in kindergarten through second grade who commit violent offenses remain in their schools — sometimes in the same classroom — and get help. Or they can be transferred to another elementary school.
Transfers at that age rarely happen, Wright said. The district, he said, doesn't keep records in its central archive, but he maintained that no more than five cases occurred in the last school year.
He opposes sending children that young to alternative schools or classrooms. They are in school to learn good behavior, and it's not right to banish them to a disciplinary setting, he said.
"In kindergarten, you're supposed to teach kids how to act when they're going through school," he said.
But teachers say their schools lack enough training, psychological services, and coordination with other agencies to address the problem.
In a recent survey of more than 750 teachers and aides, conducted in a partnership by The Inquirer and Temple University, nearly equal numbers of educators in elementary, middle, and high schools said the problems of violence and disruptive student behavior are getting worse.
Violence worsened during the last three years, said 53 percent of the respondents who work at elementary schools. In middle schools, 57 percent said it was worse, and in high schools, 59 percent.
Those working in the elementary schools, the survey showed, are as likely as those in middle and high schools to see bullying, fighting, and physical attacks on students every day.
Sometimes, teachers are the victims.
Violence sometimes takes on sexual overtones, which teachers must handle, but often don't anticipate.
Six years ago, in an effort to deal with sexually oriented attacks by young children, the district hired the Philadelphia-based Joseph J. Peters Institute, which counsels victims and perpetrators of sexual abuse. The institute screens district students 10 and under.
Most cases involve touching or attempting to touch another student, said Thomas F. Haworth, director of the child and adolescent programs at the institute.
Young children who commit violent sexual acts sometimes have been abused themselves, or have been exposed to the acts either through the media or in their homes or neighborhoods, experts say.
At the elementary level, support and coping skills are what violent students most need, experts say.
"Punishment's not the answer," said Paul Fink, a psychiatrist who has worked with the district. "You need to ask what happened. Talk to the child."
Schools, too, particularly in urban and poor areas, must recognize that many students suffer from post-traumatic stress because they have been exposed to violence.
"If you keep those feelings in, eventually the child is going to explode. That's what the school sees. That's what the neighborhood sees," said Judith Cohen, medical director at the Center for Traumatic Stress in Children and Adolescents at Allegheny General Hospital in Pittsburgh and a professor of psychiatry at Drexel.
Children feel they can release their anger in school because it's a safe place, unlike the neighborhoods where many of them live, Cohen said.
She cited the case of a first grader in Pittsburgh public schools who hit her teacher. The child had been raped repeatedly by a male in the home since she was a toddler.
Only genuinely violent youngsters should be removed from the classroom, said Myrna Shure, a professor of psychology at Drexel. Too often, schools target highly disruptive students as well, she said.
But schools can't do it all, said Williams, of Drexel's violence prevention center.
"Parents are not doing what they need to do to prepare these kids, to manage their behavior, to manage expectations," he said. "Far too many parents have completely abdicated their responsibilities as parents."
Philly school violence even in elementary grades | www.wsbradio.com
l'Chante
Member
Lewis, I didn't even read through all your case studies. I did have to. It seems that American schools are as bad as South African ones. I know I'm always ranting about the moral fiber of society, but the above just proves my point. What happened to good ol' fashioned morals and values; respect your elders, treat others the way you want to be treated, show some self restraint etc?
And the sad part is, neither the teachers nor the children are to blame. It's the parents who are failing. Why aren't people disciplining their children anymore?
And the sad part is, neither the teachers nor the children are to blame. It's the parents who are failing. Why aren't people disciplining their children anymore?
Oats
Member
I have mixed feelings
I grew up in a city just like Philly, I've been involved in those kinds of behaviours....
Since I'm schizophrenic I was put into a school for bad kids. Funny thing is they gave us labels and punished us for having those labels...
I can honestly say most of what I learned I learned not in school but through other means and tutoring...
We would be restrained for fighting, but every time I was bullied I was told to fight back, which I shouldn't have to...
That teacher was right in a sense, but she shouldn't push around blame...though in my opinion the blame isn't on her
It is on the kids themselves...because all are wicked by default...still I think we could do a lot more to improve the education system...
I think the problem is that people want you to keep your drama yourself, and they don't have an attitude of total service like the Bible tells us to have...
I grew up in a city just like Philly, I've been involved in those kinds of behaviours....
Since I'm schizophrenic I was put into a school for bad kids. Funny thing is they gave us labels and punished us for having those labels...
I can honestly say most of what I learned I learned not in school but through other means and tutoring...
We would be restrained for fighting, but every time I was bullied I was told to fight back, which I shouldn't have to...
That teacher was right in a sense, but she shouldn't push around blame...though in my opinion the blame isn't on her
It is on the kids themselves...because all are wicked by default...still I think we could do a lot more to improve the education system...
I think the problem is that people want you to keep your drama yourself, and they don't have an attitude of total service like the Bible tells us to have...
l'Chante
Member
I grew up in a traditional Afrikaner family where children stood behind their chairs at the dinner table until the adults were all seated. You would wait until the head of the table started eating before you would pick up your fork, and you would not move a muscle in church or your butt would get a proper whipping. You can imagine what would happen if you actually did something naughty.<O:p</O:p
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So yes, I can relate. Vivid memories of being taught right from wrong.<O:p</O:p
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I hardly ever spank my child, because it just isn’t necessary. She’s well disciplined and has the most beautiful manners so there is no need. And the nice thing is that discipline does a lot for a child’s self esteem because of all the compliments that I receive on her good manners. She hears that people likes her, and it makes her blossom to know that she is popular with adults.<O:p</O:p
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Her teacher would never refer to her, or any of the children in the school as future criminals because the children attending the school are all particularly well behaved.<O:p</O:p
It starts at home.
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So yes, I can relate. Vivid memories of being taught right from wrong.<O:p</O:p
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I hardly ever spank my child, because it just isn’t necessary. She’s well disciplined and has the most beautiful manners so there is no need. And the nice thing is that discipline does a lot for a child’s self esteem because of all the compliments that I receive on her good manners. She hears that people likes her, and it makes her blossom to know that she is popular with adults.<O:p</O:p
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Her teacher would never refer to her, or any of the children in the school as future criminals because the children attending the school are all particularly well behaved.<O:p</O:p
It starts at home.
l'Chante
Member
Amen, brother!
Still Blessed
Member