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Tell Me Something Quath

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Revelation 22:11-15
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.



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Solo,

the scripture you are using in your signature line says it all.


1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.



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Relic said:
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Solo,

the scripture you are using in your signature line says it all.


1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.



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I always loved that verse' because it is so true.
 
Solo,

I rarely disagree with you, and in this case I don't disagree with you at the root level, but I do believe that God is the only one who knows if Quath, Featherbop, and other unbelievers will be saved. So, if they will be saved, then while they are yet sinners God demonstrated His love for them by sending His Son to die in their place. So, in that sense, the statement that, "Jesus loves Quath, but Quath doesn't love Jesus." could be true. I believe that since we do not know who belongs to God, and who doesn't, it's best to assume, through faith, that one day they will see His love for them, because He will first love them. I think that is why God tells us to love our enemies, and bless them, so that we remember that they could actually be our own brothers and sisters.

Featherbop,

For me, I am encouraged that you and Quath are here...and there were others who use to be here that I was thankful for. The believer's main duty to God, and to one another, is to share His Truth with everyone they encounter because we could be family. I don't mean shanghai them, because that's not truly possible, and it would only be a lie anyway. Sometimes, as believers, we do get burdens to pray for specific lost people, "God lays them on our hearts" is what a believer would say. There is also a time when God seems to surround them (using people and various other things) in order to convert them. Not one of His children will remain lost, He will go and find them, and I hope to be usable for that end in my life. Christianity is unique in that the only thing required is faith, because by grace through faith in Jesus Christ is the only way one can be saved.

I understand that Christians tend to disagree a lot, which is also an example of grace, I believe, and so I speak to you from the understanding of God's Truth that I have. If I have treated you scornfully, or hatefully, I am very sorry. Sometimes, though, the Truth is an affront to people who don't believe in God, but we are obligated to speak it because of our love for Him. We love God, and His Truth, more than anything...in our spirit's we do, even though we can not perfectly represent that love in our walk in this world. The ultimate love for an unbeliever is for a believer to be Truthful with them, and sometimes this may look scornful or hateful, but Truth is the only thing that will set them free...the only thing that will truly convert them. It will also cause them to hate us, and to see us as an offense.

As far as atheists hating God...From a believer's point of view there are only two root options...you are either for God, or against Him. Now, I don't know who those people are. I am instructed to love all, be Truthful with all. I am not ashamed of Christ, and I do believe I have the Truth, and it would be silly, or hypocritical, to speak and act otherwise. This also seems to make people angry, the idea that believer's think they have an absolute Truth, but it will not make all people angry. For the unbeliever that is converted through it, it's a life line because it is nourishment for that individual...eternal life.

I also must tell you that as a believer, I do hate the concept of allah, because I believe he is real in the sense that he is one of the many tricks of the deceiver that causes men to fall for false teaching. I don't want anyone to miss out on eternal life with God, but satan's very goal is to take as many down with him as possible. So, in the same way unbeliever's see believers as duped, or deceived, and feel sad for them, or angry and frustrated with them, so also does the believer feel those things for the unbelievers who they know are deceived...we are supposed to feel composed and loving, but in our human-ness we fail in this at times. I speak for myself here, though, because some believer's are more mature and have grown to a point of love beyond mine. I hope you keep coming to the board, and keep asking us questions...challenging us, and maybe even challenging yourself.
 
lovely said:
Solo,

I rarely disagree with you, and in this case I don't disagree with you at the root level, but I do believe that God is the only one who knows if Quath, Featherbop, and other unbelievers will be saved. So, if they will be saved, then while they are yet sinners God demonstrated His love for them by sending His Son to die in their place. So, in that sense, the statement that, "Jesus loves Quath, but Quath doesn't love Jesus." could be true. I believe that since we do not know who belongs to God, and who doesn't, it's best to assume, through faith, that one day they will see His love for them, because He will first love them. I think that is why God tells us to love our enemies, and bless them, so that we remember that they could actually be our own brothers and sisters.
I am not suggesting that God does not love Quath, Featherbop, or others. I am asking questions so that others may give Scriptural evidence that he definitely does. The verse of Scripture that states that God first loved us while we were yet sinners before we loved him was the Scripture that I was hoping someone would bring up.
  • But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8
Also, God definitely knows who will and who will not be saved, and we will not have any idea unless God gives us that discernment.

As unbelievers, noone knows the love of God, nor do unbelievers love God as loving God is a spiritual thing and unbelievers as natural creatures think the spiritual things of God are foolish (1 Corinthians 2).

I apologize for not being clear in my presentation, but I was playing teacher and looking for others to answer my questions with Scriptural answers.

I do expect for you, as a sister in Christ, to keep me straight in my understanding, so thank you for watching my back and keeping me honest. I love the way that you post!
 
Featherbop said:
Oh, and one last thing...You guys...don't have Quath locked in a closet or anything, right?

Just checking.....
At least they are not making me wear a gimp outfit. :)

I think your post summed up some of the points I would make. I think this thread is very enlightening.

I don't take offense when someone tries to save me. I know in their hearts they are trying to help me out. As long as they are not pushy, I am ok with talking about it. I am sure the reverse is true. They don't want atheists coming to their door trying to reveal the lack of good news. :)
 
Hi Solo,


I love the way that you post!

I love the way you post too, Michael. I appreciate your willingness to be honest here. Thanks for challenging us, and may our Saviour bless you today. :D
 
Featherbop said:
Guys, I don't think it is fair to shanghai Quath into christianity...

Anyway, curious...why is Quath singeled out for this suggesting that he is saved or going to be saved soon? If I'm not mistaken, this has happened before.

It doesn't happen to me, I just get the typical christian scorn and hatefulness most of the time. Why?

I believe Quath has said before that he is here to understand the beliefs of christians and why they believe, and maybe what they intend. He is calm and rational and I would also say very understanding of others. Very patient. Does that have something to do with trying to convince him that he is a christian or close to it?

Anyway, one more thing:



Just thought I would point out the problem here. You can't hate someone or something that doesn't exist or that you do not believe in.

Saying that atheists hate god is like saying christians hate allah.



Oh, and one last thing...You guys...don't have Quath locked in a closet or anything, right?

Just checking.....
Quath is really a closet pastor.
 
Solo said:
In a previous post, I gave two Scripture verses that declared, first, that faith comes by hearing the word of God; and second, without faith it is impossible to please God because one must believe in Him to please Him, and that God rewards those who "diligently" seek Him.

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Hebrews 11:6

What Scripture states that Jesus loves Quath even though Quath does not love Jesus?
1 John 4:9-10 says... God showed how much he Loved us by sending his only son into the world so that we may have eternal life through him. This is real Love. It is not that WE Loved God, but that HE LOVED US and sent his son as a sacrifice to take away our sins! (we love him because he FIRST Loved us) :wink:
 
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