The 2nd Trumpet

[Cyberseeker]

May I hear a variety of interpretations on this vision from the book of Revelation? Is it literal, figurative, past, future? What is the Preterist interpretation? Futurist, Historicist, Amill, etc?

Then the second angel sounded: And something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood. And a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
(Rev 8:8-9 NKJV)

Please keep comments to the '2nd trumpet' vision. What exactly is this prophecy talking about? When will it be? What will be its effect?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Orates]

When the 7th Seal is opened God's wrath begins. The first four angels all signal the same event- a giant meteor shower on earth (or possibly nuclear weapons). The meteors burn up one third of the trees, poison one third of the oceans and rivers, and the smoke blots out one third of the sun and moon. This all occurs near the end of the 7 years about 5 months before the Chinese invasion of the Middle East.
You can read the whole story at grandunifiedprophecies.blogspot.com

Orates

Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

 

[samuel]

While some have seen this as a nuclear bomb “Hal Lindsayâ€Â. I see it as more of a celestial/supernatural occurrence “ Mt Everest size meteorâ€Â. This will kill a vast number of fish due to the impact, water boil, and acidic substances introduced into the water. Also it would create a huge tsunami, destroying both ships, and coastal cities around the world.

This will occur somewhere in the last half of the tribulation week, also known as “the time of Jacob’s troubleâ€Â. Shortly before the battle of Armageddon, which will be the final battle of an ongoing war leading up to it, possible the full time of the last 3.5 years of the tribulation. The Trumpets are Gods call to a sinful world to repent, and as bad as they seem, will seem minor to the 7 bowls of Gods wrath; poured out during I believe the battle of Armageddon.

 

[DeBPrpht]

Greetings Ya'll,

Meteors,or asteroid,....................it gonna be good.

And The Saints / Elect / Church will be here to see it.


Shalom

 

[Joshleet]

Grettings everyone! First post on this sight.

• It is a little difficult to pull the second trumpet, out on its own, and try to explain it. If one studies the first four trumpets, We witness, 1/3 of the trees and grass burnt up in the first, 1/3 of the sea destroyed in the second, 1/3 of the fresh water in the third, and 1/3 of the days light in the fourth. I believe that whatever these trumpets are, the destruction they bring on, happens very quickly, and simultaineously. [list:q7898sxo]

Consider the following..Have you ever wondered why the destruction of the first four trumpets sound so simular to the vials of the Wrath of God? They bring on the exact same destruction, only the trumpets are smaller in scope, (1/3 instead of all). There is another huge difference..The trumpets occur PRIOR to the description of the 42 month reign of the false Messiah, while the vials of the wrath of God, happen after!!! Couldn't these events be percieved, and accepted as the vials of the wrath of God, but actually occur before the false Messiah will rule, CLAIMING TO BE GOD, OR THE RETURNED MESSIAH?? Think about it!! [/list:u:q7898sxo]

 

[samuel]

Joshleet:

In this case, it would fit right in with Hal Lindsays Middle East nuclear war theory (over oil). Which in these days could be quite possible, if not probable. Gods judgments do not have to be always supernatural, but can be cause and effect, by tools at hand (world armies). A brief nuclear exchange, would result in most, if not all of the descriptions of the first four trumpets. Something to think about.

 

[Joshleet]

Joshleet:

In this case, it would fit right in with Hal Lindsays Middle East nuclear war theory (over oil). Which in these days could be quite possible, if not probable. Gods judgments do not have to be always supernatural, but can be cause and effect, by tools at hand (world armies). A brief nuclear exchange, would result in most, if not all of the descriptions of the first four trumpets. Something to think about.

Greetings in Jesus name Samuel.

• I do see WW III occuring, and being the springboard antichrist will use. many will accept this war as Armageddon. I will be doing a number of posts in the following days that will establish this. There will be certian events that will occur beforE the reign of the False messiah, that most, if not all will accept as full prophetic fulfillment.

• Let me give you a little preview..

read Rev 6:12-17 The sixth seal, and ask yourself the following questions. Who is stating it is the day of the Lord? Is it John? is it Jesus? What actions do these people take? Are these believers? what kind of relationship do they have with the Lord?? Where do they see the Lord sitting?? When Jesus returns, what is HE riding on? Read Rev. 14:6-7, Is this angel proclaiming the very same thing these people do? Who is telling the truth, and who is being decieved?? WHAT ELSE OCCURS IN THE SIXTH SEAL? Read Joel 2:30-31, then read Joel 3:12-15, is this the same event?? Which one occurs in the sixth seal?? Which one occurs in Revelation 14:15? Think DUPLICATION!!!!!!

 

[samuel]

I'll check out those versus. But I have always believed Satan, would mimic the return of Christ as closely as he can. To fool the many.

And have always said some catastrophic world event, would take place proceeding it. War, economic decline, all that is reveled in the four horsemen of Rev 4. And Matt. 24 which is a carbon copy of the four horsemen. Or the original.

 

[Joshleet]

I'll check out those versus. But I have always believed Satan, would mimic the return of Christ as closely as he can. To fool the many.

And have always said some catastrophic world event, would take place proceeding it. War, economic decline, all that is reveled in the four horsemen of Rev 4. And Matt. 24 which is a carbon copy of the four horsemen. Or the original.

There is another factor One needs to consider. The Lord stated , He would bring a "strong Delusion" on those that Love not the truth. The people in the Sixth seal see the "face of him that sitteth on the throne' Is Jesus returning at this time? I don't see Him on a horsey in the sixth seal, do you?? : Now read Ezekiel 38:20, which is the climax of the Ezekiel 38 war, what is occuring Here? "all the men on the earth shall "shake at my presence". Is the Lord returning Here? Nope!! What we are witnessing in the sixth seal, is the climax of the Ezekiel 38 war. Those that "shake at the presence of the Lord" in Ezekiel 38, are the very same poeple who hid themselves in the rocks from God in the sixth seal. THEY ARE PROCLAIMING IT IS THE DAY OF THE LORD!!!! Is the Ezekiel 38 war, the final Battle???? NOpe!!! Then why are those who hide from god in the sixth seal saying it is??? The Ezekiel 38 war will be accepted as Armageddon, BEFORE the reign of the FAlse Messiah!!!

• You are absolutely correct, that the first four horsemen mirror what Jesus said would happen in the "birthpains" However, Jesus also gave us ANOTHER warning.... "but the end is not yet" Most have "brushed this off,by stating that this is Just a "genreal warning of how things will be prior to his return. Lets rethink this...what if this was a very specific warning?? Jesus was actually warning His disciples, that there would be, "wars and rumors of wars" that will appear to be the end, but "the end is not yet!" The first four trumpets will be accepted as the vials of the wrath of God, because the the birthpains (the seals) will be accepted as full prophetic fulfillmnet prior to the reign of Antichrist.

This is why John is told "you must "prophesy again" in the 10th chapter. Everthing up to this point, has been a "mirror image" a duplication (ie only partial prophetical fulfillment) of things yet to come!!!

 

[Cyberseeker]

I see it as more of a celestial/supernatural occurrence “ Mt Everest size meteorâ€Â. This will kill a vast number of fish due to the impact, water boil, and acidic substances introduced into the water. Also it would create a huge tsunami, destroying both ships, and coastal cities around the world.

I did a google search on asteroid and found this artists impression. Considering it is a science website makes you think. Anyway my trusty NIV reads, "something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea."

Makes this pic rather interesting. http://dacite.com/evolution/impact.html

Whadoyou think?

 

[DeBPrpht]

Greetings Ya'll,

I believe that as of today, we are ankle deep in Revelations 6:5,6.(I BELIEVE THAT THE THE THIRD SEAL HAS BEEN OPENED!)

I also believe after studying reports from N.A.S.A. & the J.P.L.(at their websites) regarding an asteroid, that they are worried about being a "NEAR MISS" of the earth in 2012 that the "Second trumpet will sound" .

My UTMOST CONCERN is that the world's "churches", are continuing in the main to be preaching that "ALL IS GOOD" & THAT SOON THE CHURCH WILL BE "raptured out"!!!!

THIS IS A FALSE TEACHING!!!!!!!

THERE IS A MUCH MORE GREATER MEANING TO "PICK UP YOUR CROSS & FOLLOW ME".

Shalom Shabbat!

DeBPrpht[/b][/color]

 

[Capt. Kirk]

I love this forum.

Properly, this is the 2nd Trumpet/Vial (Heavenly view/Earthly view...Cause/Effect).

This is probably the event we are in now. Global, economic conflict and turmoil.

First, everything after 1.10 is spiritual (I checked once and read the whole thing through,
looking for one spot where John emerged from Spiritual influence but could find none.)

That means it's not literal (maybe symbolic as well as spiritual. Sometimes it's hard to
separate the two.)

The sea - this is commerce (see 18.11ff....all these fineries were gotten through
oceanic trading.)
The mountain - judgement that is absolute. Mountains are big and hurt when they fall on you!
Blood - the means of commerce (ocean waters) are no longer what they used to be
The third part - Notice it does not say ONE THIRD. There's a big difference. Here, the
reference is to men's souls,i.e., their thinking processes.

You said limit comments to the 2nd T/V. I have. Commerce and banking are in meltdown.
It is global. Every nation on earth is in trouble. That fits this particular model. The next
T/V is #3....attack on Christianity (rivers and fountains of waters.)

I'm glad God is on our side and is in complete control. Hate to be an atheist right now.

 

[Trump]

Sorry about that!

 

[Trump]

Sorrry about that

 

[sonlite101]

Greetings Ya'll,

I believe that as of today, we are ankle deep in Revelations 6:5,6.(I BELIEVE THAT THE THE THIRD SEAL HAS BEEN OPENED!)

I also believe after studying reports from N.A.S.A. & the J.P.L.(at their websites) regarding an asteroid, that they are worried about being a "NEAR MISS" of the earth in 2012 that the "Second trumpet will sound" .

My UTMOST CONCERN is that the world's "churches", are continuing in the main to be preaching that "ALL IS GOOD" & THAT SOON THE CHURCH WILL BE "raptured out"!!!!

THIS IS A FALSE TEACHING!!!!!!!

THERE IS A MUCH MORE GREATER MEANING TO "PICK UP YOUR CROSS & FOLLOW ME".

Shalom Shabbat!

DeBPrpht[/b][/color]

We are more than "ankle deep" into the "tribulation period" DBP. The 6th seal is the only one that remains to be open. Most understand the account of the seals in revelation to cover a period of 7 years. In truth, the seals are an overview of the tribulation man has encountered since he was snared by Satan in the garden.

The first 4 seals were opened in quick succession starting with the 1st seal releasing Satan to deceive Adam. The actions of these seals are ongoing till the time of the gentiles are fulfilled. Therefore, these 4 seals remain open.

The next seal to be opened was the 7th seal. This happened when our Lord became man and dwelt among us. The trumpets spoken of within this seal are events yet to happen. Therefore, this seal remains open, and will be completely fulfilled when our Lord returns.

The 5th seal was opened right after our Lord's resurrection. At this time, saints who had died prior to the resurrection, received "white robes" signifying cleansing from their past sins. This seal is closed.

The 6th seal will be opened immediately after the rapture of the saints. This is when the wrath of God will be poured on the earth.

The peace of our Lord be with you!

 

[Vic C.]

Hi and welcome. Could you explain to us how the seventh seal could possibly be opened before the fifth and sixth seals? The physical symbol of this scroll with seven seals make it physically impossible to open (break) the seals out of order.

Seal one seals the entire scroll. As one unrolls this scroll, they eventually come to seal two, then seal three, seal four, etc. One cannot get to the last seal of the scroll without opening up (breaking) the first six. Ask anyone who has collected ancient scrolls over the years.

 

[sonlite101]

Hi and welcome. Could you explain to us how the seventh seal could possibly be opened before the fifth and sixth seals? The physical symbol of this scroll with seven seals make it physically impossible to open (break) the seals out of order.

Seal one seals the entire scroll. As one unrolls this scroll, they eventually come to seal two, then seal three, seal four, etc. One cannot get to the last seal of the scroll without opening up (breaking) the first six. Ask anyone who has collected ancient scrolls over the years.

Hi vic, thanks for the welcome!
Though I understand that historically men have followed the pattern you relate in relation to opening scrolls and seals, we know God speaks things into being.

Therefore, God doesn’t have to follow that pattern or order for opening scrolls; and in fact, the events recorded in Revelation show this. For instance: The destruction depicted in Rev 6:12-14, with more detail given in Rev 16:17-20, speaks of the utter destruction of the earth. Isaiah spoke of the Day of the Lord in like manner in 34:2-4.

Rev 6:12-14
12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red,
13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind.
14 The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. (NIV)

Rev 16:17-20
17 The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, "It is done!"
18 Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake. No earthquake like it has ever occurred since man has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake.
19 The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath.
20 Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found. (NIV)


Isaiah 34:2-4
2 The LORD is angry with all nations; his wrath is upon all their armies. He will totally destroy them, he will give them over to slaughter.
3 Their slain will be thrown out, their dead bodies will send up a stench; the mountains will be soaked with their blood.
4 All the stars of the heavens will be dissolved and the sky rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree. (NIV)

In view of the complete destruction of the world and its people following the events of the sixth seal, it stands to reason that the actions of the trumpets of the 7th seal take place before the world is destroyed by God.

 

[Vic C.]

I understand your reasoning, but I'm of the belief that John was pretty much giver the order of events in their chronological order. I do see the latter part of ch. 11 on through ch. 13 as a "revisiting" of events past, with some elaboration.

It's all good though.

 

[sonlite101]

I understand your reasoning, but I'm of the belief that John was pretty much giver the order of events in their chronological order. I do see the latter part of ch. 11 on through ch. 13 as a "revisiting" of events past, with some elaboration.

It's all good though.

Got a question for you vic. I didn't color or underline the words that showed up in blue in my previous post? How'd that happen?

 

[Vic C.]

No, you didn't. Ignore them. It's an application they have here that pops up an advertisement when you move your mouse over it. I don't even know if it works. I use Firefox web browser and have it configured to block certain kind of ads.