The Baptism In The Holy Spirit

[herald]

"And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: and also upon the servants and upon the handmaidens in those days will I pour out of My Spirit." Joel 2:28,29.

After Jesus was anointed of the Holy Spirit, He went about healing the sick and casting out demons by the power (dunamis, from which we get the word dynamite) of the Holy Spirit. Jesus told His disciples, "And behold, I send the promise of My Father upon you, but tarry in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power (dunamis) from on high." Lu 24:49. This promise was fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost. Acts 2:14-21. The Apostle Paul would later say, "And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God." 1 Cor 2:4,5.

Jesus said, "And these signs shall follow them that believe; in My name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." Mk 16:17,18.

Paul instructed the church, "Now concerning Spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant...For to one is given by the Spirit the Word of wisdom; to another the Word of knowledge by the same Spirit; to another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; to another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues..." 1 Cor 12:1-11.

"For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue, speaketh not unto men,but unto God:for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the Spirit he speaketh mysteries...he that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church...wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the Spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also; I will sing with the Spirit, and i will sing with the understanding also...wherefore my brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues." 1 Cor 14:1-40.

Some limit the speaking in tongues, to merely preaching in other languages. First of all, the gifts of the Holy Spirit are supernatural - not talents or abilities. It would be blasphemous to say that sinners who speak in more than one language are operating in the Holy Spirit. If one comes to the Word of God with a teachable heart, he will, readily, see in these passages that speaking and praying in tongues is to be part of the worship service.

Jude 20,21 tells us, "But ye beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, keeping yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life."

"For precept must be upon precept; line upon line; here a little and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will He speak to His people. To whom He said, "This is the rest wherewith ye shall cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear." Isa 28:10-12. Will you hear?

 

[whirlwind]

"And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: and also upon the servants and upon the handmaidens in those days will I pour out of My Spirit." Joel 2:28,29.

He does indeed pour His Spirit on us and that Spirit reveals understanding of His Holy word, not confusion.

"For precept must be upon precept; line upon line; here a little and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will He speak to His people. To whom He said, "This is the rest wherewith ye shall cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear." Isa 28:10-12. Will you hear?

Please understand that the above passage is spoken in IRONY. It is not refreshing and one learns nothing from confusion. We are not to put line upon line. We are to understand the spirit of the Word...not the letter, not line on line.

• 2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
  
  The quote you are using above, that ends with "yet they would not hear," is followed by.....
  
  Isaiah 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they MIGHT GO, AND FALL BACKWARD, AND BE BROKEN, AND SNARED, AND TAKEN.
  
  28:14-15 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD ye scornful men, that rule this People which is in Jerusalem. Because ye have said, "We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:"
  
  28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

In other words....using the Isaiah passage as confirmation of speaking in tongues....isn't a good thing.

 

[herald]

I disagree with you...it is the Scripture, isn't it?

 

[seekandlisten]

herald,
would you share with me what the benefit to speaking in tongues is in relation to one's spiritual walk and how it can be used to glorify God in our time?

 

[herald]

It is evidence of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. The gifts of the Holy Spirit are to be used in the worship service: healing, casting out demons, discerning of spirits; miracles; prophecy; the Word of wisdom; the Word of knowledge and on and on.

I really like the 700 Club,(they are in 200 countries) because they call out the Word of knowledge and many people get healed, and it is a surprise to the doctors.

I heard about a 12 year old Hindu girl, whose leg went dead. She heard that Jesus could heal her. She told her mom, that, Jesus would heal her and He did! They became Christians and threw away all their Hindu gods.

I have healed the sick, cast out demons, and in a group of three raised a man from the dead, just as Paul raised Eutychus in Acts 20:9-12.

My friend Pam was molested by her father at age four. She grew up to be a witch. She reversed a spell in my son's room. That night, my daughter heard noises coming from his room. She opened the door and saw toys flying around the room. The next day we anointed the room with oil, and took authority over the devil, and he left.

She came to me with blood oozing from her eyes, her ears, her mouth, and her nose. She asked me to pray for her. I did, and Jesus healed her.

One day my child broke out in hives. Her grandfather, a doctor told her to abstain from certain foods. My children laughed and said, "Jesus will heal her." And He did!

Although, I come from an extended family of six, soon to be seven doctors, five nurses, one veterinarian, and one chemical engineer (who makes drugs), Jesus has been my Healer for forty-one years.

Did you know that the word, "sorcery," in Revelation 9:21;18:23 means "pharmakeia,"pharmakeus," "pharmakon," and also means, "a druggist," "witchcraft," "sorcery," "pharmacist," "poisoner?"

Jesus not only died for our sin, He also bore our sickness and pain. When we trust in the promises of Scripture, there are no side effects.

I recommend the book, Christ,The Healer, by F.F. Bosworth. He had a healing ministry and teaches out of Scripture on divine healing.

 

[ManofGod]

Speaking in tongues IS the evidence of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. However, we don't need this to get into heaven.. only salvation. Paul said that "if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth but my understanding is unfruitful". He said further that I speak in tongues more than you all.. So yes, the Apostle Paul did pray in tongues. Paul also said tongues is for edification or for building up. Tongues also assists in our prayer life when we don't know what to pray in the understanding. The Bible says: that the H. S. takes those prayers up to the throne of God with groanings that cannot be uttered. Also the prayer in tongues is NOT the gift of tongues as spoken in the nine gifts in Corinthians.. Paul spoke about praying in an unknown tongue in the chapter AFTER the nine gifts are mentioned.

 

[mutzrein]

Speaking in tongues IS the evidence of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. However, we don't need this to get into heaven.. only salvation. Paul said that "if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth but my understanding is unfruitful". He said further that I speak in tongues more than you all.. So yes, the Apostle Paul did pray in tongues. Paul also said tongues is for edification or for building up. Tongues also assists in our prayer life when we don't know what to pray in the understanding. The Bible says: that the H. S. takes those prayers up to the throne of God with groanings that cannot be uttered. Also the prayer in tongues is NOT the gift of tongues as spoken in the nine gifts in Corinthians.. Paul spoke about praying in an unknown tongue in the chapter AFTER the nine gifts are mentioned.

Are you are saying that if you don't speak in tongues you have not received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit?

 

[toddm]

Friends,

There is no such thing as a Christian and a "spirit-filled Christian". We are all baptized into the Spirit upon receiving Christ. The Spirit is the AGENT of baptism into Christ's body, without Him we can have no part of Christ's body.

No where in Scripture does it say that speaking in tongues MUST be THE evidence for someone filled w/ the Holy Spirit. There are several instances in Scripture where people are filled w/ the Spirit and do not speak in tongues. Tongues was ONE way, but to say it's THE way is simply not Scriptural. Yes, we can experience "heightened moments" of the Spirit when He empowers us for an extraordinary task.

I am not a cessationist, I believe that the miraculous gifts are still for today. But I also believer that they are grossly abused in the Church today (Corinth anyone?) I do believe that it may be POSSIBLE to have a private prayer language if God has so gifted this to you (I don't think I have this), but I do not think outbursts of speaking in "tongues" should occur in worship services. Paul warns against this kind of uncontrolled behavior in 1 Corinthians 14. Paul's entire point for 1 Cor. 12-14 was not to say that "tongues" or any other miraculous gifts were bad or unwarranted, but people were thinking because they had these gifts that they were better than those who didn't - I seem the same pattern today of those who speak in tongues thinking they have a closer walk w/ God.

Any way, that's my 2 cents.

 

[herald]

If you do not speak in tongues, you are not baptized in the Holy Spirit.

 

[toddm]

If you do not speak in tongues, you are not baptized in the Holy Spirit.

I disagree based on the fact that no where in Scripture are we told that speaking in tongues IS a mandatory evidence for being baptized in the Holy Spirit. We are ALL baptized into ONE BODY with ONE SPIRIT (1 Cor. 12:13). This argument lacks as much biblical support as those who say the miraculous gifts have ceased.

 

[Steve76]

If you do not speak in tongues, you are not baptized in the Holy Spirit.

I disagree based on the fact that no where in Scripture are we told that speaking in tongues IS a mandatory evidence for being baptized in the Holy Spirit. We are ALL baptized into ONE BODY with ONE SPIRIT (1 Cor. 12:13). This argument lacks as much biblical support as those who say the miraculous gifts have ceased.

I think I agree with you on that one..

The gifts of the Holy Spirit vary from person to person right? ;)

Yet, I have heard that some believers speak in tongues but it is fake! although I have only heard this from an older believer.

 

[toddm]

If you do not speak in tongues, you are not baptized in the Holy Spirit.

I disagree based on the fact that no where in Scripture are we told that speaking in tongues IS a mandatory evidence for being baptized in the Holy Spirit. We are ALL baptized into ONE BODY with ONE SPIRIT (1 Cor. 12:13). This argument lacks as much biblical support as those who say the miraculous gifts have ceased.

I think I agree with you on that one..

The gifts of the Holy Spirit vary from person to person right? ;)

Yet, I have heard that some believers speak in tongues but it is fake! although I have only heard this from an older believer.

Yep, Paul makes a case w/ series of rhetorical questions at the end of 1 Corinthians 12 - "are all teachers?, are all apostles, do all speak in tongues?..." The answer is no because there is no single gift that everyone is SUPPOSED to have.

 

[herald]

When His Spirit is within you, you are born again. If you do not speak or pray in tongues, you are not baptized in the Holy Spirit. If you want to be baptized in the Holy Spirit, ask God to baptize you. My friend, Marsha asked the Lord directly to baptize her in the Holy Spirit, and He did! :amen

 

[toddm]

When His Spirit is within you, you are born again. If you do not speak or pray in tongues, you are not baptized in the Holy Spirit. If you want to be baptized in the Holy Spirit, ask God to baptize you. My friend, Marsha asked the Lord directly to baptize her in the Holy Spirit, and He did! :amen

Please provide Scriptural support showing that there's a distinction between being born again, and baptized by the Holy Spirit.

 

[cyberjosh]

If anyone would like to see my view on baptism and on the true saving Baptism of the Holy Spirit you are welcome to read the following paper/article I wrote and put on my website: The Purpose of Baptism.

God Bless,

~Josh

 

[ManofGod]

The Bible says no man can confess Jesus as Lord save by the H.S. Yes when we become born again we receive the H.S. .. However, the Baptism of the H.S. is a separate occasion. You remember in the New Testament when Jesus appeared to the disciples and breathed on them and said receive ye the H.G. Well this was when they received there Born Again experience because no one could be born again until Jesus resurrected from the grave. However later in the New Testament Jesus said tarry ye in Jerusalem until ye be endued with power from on high.. Yes and they tarried in the upper room... and they received the Baptism of the H.G. with the evidence of speaking in other tongues.. Why would Jesus tell them to tarry if they had received it all when He breathed on them? As I said in my previous post,,, tongues is NOT a prerequisite for going to heaven.. The Baptism was meant to give the believer the power to lift up the name of Jesus above their own flesh.. Look at Peter prior to the Baptism.. remember he ran from the scully maiden... But in the book of Acts he preached one of the most powerful sermons preached.. after his upper room experienced.. Have you received your upper room experience ? Ask yourself this question... If the Baptism of the H.S. is of God.. do I want it? Personally I want all that the Lord has for me.. The Baptism of the H. G. is not just for Pastors, evangelists, ministers.. it is for the believer.. The apostles did not need the Baptism to do miracles in the New Testament.. they did them in the name of Jesus.. The Baptism is the infusing of Power to lift up the name of Jesus above your own flesh.. PTL.. :yes

 

[herald]

Read Acts 2:

"And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues as of fire, and it sat upon each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled saying one to another, Behold are not all these Galilaeans?

And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus and Asia, Phyrgia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers in Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. And they were all amazed, and were in doubt saying one to another, What meaneth this?

Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine. But Peter standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said, Ye men of Judaea, and all that dwell in Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken of by the prophet Joel;

And it shall come to pass, in the last days, saith God, I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams, And on My servants and on My handmaidens I will pour out in those days of My Spirit: and they shall prophesy." Acts 2

How did they speak in all those languages - By the Holy Spirit who knew all those languages.

 

[toddm]

Herald,
I'm familiar w/ Acts 2, 8, 10, & 19 (all instances where tongues are spoken), however, where do you get the idea that these are PRESCRIPTIVE (all believers should do this) and not DESCRIPTIVE (Acts is a narrative and is describing events where tongues happened to be the gift manifested)??

People, like yourself, who propose a subsequent "baptism" evidenced by the speaking of tongues ignore several other verses that mention being filled or baptized (these are used synonymously) where they do NOT speak in tongues!

Luke 1:15 says John the Baptist was filled w/ the Spirit from birth and we never see him speak in tongues.

Luke 1:67 says that Zechariah was filled w/ the Holy Spirit and didn't speak in tongues.

We see in several places in Acts that Peter, Stephen, and others are "filled w/ the Holy Spirit" and the result is powerful preaching, boldness, etc.

The event in Acts 2 was the INAUGURATION of the Holy Spirit's ministry as part of the New Covenant "deal". Tongues, which was the ability to preach the Gospel in foreign languages that they Apostles didn't know, was the way the Holy Spirit manifested Himself AT THAT TIME because of the multitude of languages. Had it been a different circumstance, the Holy Spirit might have manifested Himself through a different gift.

So, I ask again, please show me where IN SCRIPTURE, that there is a distinction between two different "classes" of Christians - those "only" born again, and those "spirit-filled". Before you run to Acts 19, let me clarify that those believers were still under the OLD COVENANT and had not yet known about the NEW covenant, and this is why the Holy Spirit manifested himself the same way as Acts 2 (it was another type of inauguration). Plus, we see in Acts 19 that they didn't JUST speak in tongues, but that they also prophesied. So, if you're going to argue that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is evidenced by speaking in tongues, why isn't prophesying an evidence too?

 

[herald]

Well, by the Holy Spirit working through me, I have cast out demons, healed the sick, and in a group of three raised a man from the dead, just as Paul raised Eutychus in Acts 20:9-12.

My friend Pam was molested by her father at age four. She grew up to be a witch. She reversed a spell in my son's room. My daughter heard noises coming from his room. She opened the door, and saw toys flying around the room. The next day, we anointed the room with oil, and took authority over the devil, and he left!

Pam came to me with blood oozing from her eyes, her mouth, her ears, and her nose. She wanted me to pray for her. I did, and Jesus healed her!

I heard about this Hindu girl whose leg went dead. She heard that Jesus could heal her. She told her mom, that, she wanted Jesus to heal her...He did! They became Christians and threw away all their Hindu gods.

One day my daughter broke out in hives. Her grandfather, a doctor, told her to refrain from certain foods. My other children just laughed and said, "Jesus would heal her," and Jesus did heal her!

That is what I like about the 700 Club. They are in 200 countries. They call out the Word of knowledge and many people are healed all over the world, and the doctors are surprised.

Although, I come from an extended family of six, soon to be seven doctors, five nurses, one veterinarian and one chemical engineer (who makes drugs), Jesus has been my Healer for forty-one years. He not only bore our sin, He also bore our sickness and pain.

The word "sorcery," In Rev 9:21;18:23, means, "pharmakeia," "pharmakeus," "pharmakon." It also means, "witchcraft," "druggist," "medication," "sorcery," "pharmacist," "a magician."

When we trust in the promises of God, there are no side effects. The world needs to see divine healing, casting out demons, and raising the dead.

When Moses struck the rock, God charged him with unbelief. Num 20:12. When the children of Israel disobeyed, they were not able to enter The Promised Land, because of unbelief. Heb 3:19. Unbelief comes out of an evil heart. Heb 3:12.

Disobedience = Unbelief
Obedience = Faith

Rom 16:26 refers to "the obedience of faith."

In Psalm 119, the word, "Word is used interchangeably with, "law," "commandments," "judgments," "precepts," "statutes," "testimonies."

God's Word is His law.

"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

And I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and ye shall keep My judgments and do them." Ezek 36:26,27. When His Spirit is within us, we are empowered to obey His Word/His law.

"Even so faith if it hath not works is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe and tremble.

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Was not Abraham our father (Ga 3:9,29) JUSTIFIED BY WORKS, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? (In response to the command of God)

SEEST THOU HOW FAITH WROUGHT WITH HIS WORKS AND BY WORKS WAS FAITH MADE PERFECT?

And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD and it was imputed to him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

YE SEE THEN HOW THAT BY WORKS A MAN IS JUSTIFIED, AND NOT BY FAITH ONLY....For as the body without the spirit is dead. so faith without works is dead also." James 2.

Jesus said, "He that rejecteth Me and receiveth not My Words, hath one that judgeth him, the Word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of Myself, but the Father which sent Me, He gave Me a commandment what I should say and what I should speak. And I Know that His commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak." John 12:48-50.

The Apostle John wrote, "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4.

The Apostle Paul wrote, "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified." Rom 2:12,13.

Jesus said, "AND THESE SIGNS SHALL FOLLOW THEM THAT BELIEVE; In My name shall they cast out devils; THEY SHALL SPEAK WITH NEW TONGUES; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; THEY SHALL LAY HANDS ON THE SICK, AND THEY SHALL RECOVER." Mk 16:17,18.

If you do not believe the Scripture, you are in unbelief, just as Jesus said, "Not every one that saith unto Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven.

MANY will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity." (lawlessness)

"And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. (All Ten) He that saith, I KNOW HIM and keepeth not His commandments is a liar and the Truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth His Word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby we do know that we are in Him." 1 John 2:3-5.

A sign of The Antichrist is "...he thinks to change times and laws." Dan 7:25. There was only one time in His Covenant - the Sabbath. This was done by the Catholic Church and she calls it her "mark of authority."

I have comments by the Presbyterian, Congregational, Lutheran, Episcopalian, Methodist, Baptist churches that say, the Sabbath was never changed to Sunday.

If you fail to obey Acts 2, you are without excuse. Our allegiance must be to the Word of God alone, just as the Bereans: "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the Word with all readiness of mind, and searched the Scriptures daily, whether those things were so." Acts 17:11.

I do not hold to any tradition...when we subscribe to tradition, we are siding with Satan, who said, "Yea, hath God said...?" Gen 3:1.

God calls the denominational system, "The Mother of harlots," in Revelation 17.

"And I heard another Voice from heaven saying, COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of HER PLAGUES.

For her sins ("the trangression of the law" 1 John 3:4) have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities." (lawlessness) Rev 18:4,5. She has replaced much of the Word of God for her traditions.

When what is taught in my church doesn't line up with Scripture, I speak up...some like it, others don't. I imitate the Bereans, and study the Scripture...I am now journaling the Scripture...and about done.

"But be ye doers of the Word, and not hearers, only, deceiving yourselves." Ja 1:22.

 

[toddm]

Ok, you just completely changed topics on me. I'M NOT ARGUING THAT MIRACLES DO NOT STILL HAPPEN. I'm not saying that people do not have the power to cast out demons, raise people from the dead, or heal the sick. What I am saying is that ALL Christians have the same Holy Spirit residing within them to do these things. Now, the Holy Spirit is not obligated to manifest Himself in such miraculous ways to every single Christian, but He certainly can if He so chooses.

My argument is that once you accept Jesus as Lord & Savior, the same Holy Spirit that helped you heal people and all that, lives within you. Period. There's no such thing as only having a "little bit" of God's Spirit. But it's also important to realize that NOT EVERYONE IS GIVEN THE GIFT OF HEALING, SIGNS, MIRACLES, OR TONGUES. 1 Corinthians 12 clearly says this. The Holy Spirit gives spiritual gifts AS HE SEES FIT AND AS HE SO CHOOSES.

I'm not even sure what the rest of your post was about, but I really didn't think it pertained to our conversation.

If I can repeat myself just so that there's no confusion:

- I believe that miraculous gifts (ie, healing, tongues, etc.) are still for today and still happen today.

- I do NOT believe that there is such thing as a single event subsequent to receiving Jesus. I believe that there are many subsequent events and the Holy Spirit fills us several times through out our spiritual journey manifesting Himself in whatever way He chooses (not necessarily w/ tongues). We are baptized with the Holy Spirit upon confession that Jesus is Lord & Savior. He fills up in times where He aims to glorify Christ - this could be healing someone, it could be witnessing to someone, it could be teaching, it could be serving in a ministry, etc. There's no such thing as one-spiritual-gift-fits-all.