Bible Study The Baptism Of The Earth.

[barelohim]

barelohim, your quotes in blue.
For a Christian you have a funny way to avoid issues by belittling comments.
1. Then are you still stuck on the trinity? I thought you would be past that by now. That was necessary in preschool, but now?
How can something be necessary in preschool but not now, but not now.
What you are saying is either what was necessary was a lie and later will be a truth, OR, what was necessary was a truth and later will be a lie. In either case to believe in a lie is a sin.
2. Whew you sure do like to make this a work of complications.
What you are implying, and avoiding, is being responsible for all your thoughts and actions when ypu are following your own will. Unless you actually believe that you are incorruptible (truthful and loving _ not belittling others to make yourself feel superior).

From above quotes:
Then why ask me a question when you can get all the answers from the Author.
3. Just to make sure we are on the same page.
I would have thought that the Author's answer would have made it known if we were on the same page or not. If you had doubt, then were you not in between God's-will and self-will?

Besides, my previous post referred to receiving truths without necessarily asking for it (revelations), and the fact that we don't have all the answers in full awareness.
4. What answers would you be looking for, besides knowing Him?
You just asked me a question (What answers would you be looking for, besides knowing Him?). So you are wondering (not knowing my answer) what I would say. If you know Him, then you would not ask these questions but simply speak the truth.

Hermit I didn't say that I was a mind reader.

You would say what He commands you to say, just as Jesus Christ had obeyed.
John 12:49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.
Hermit, this scripture is talking of Jesus. Where would you get the idea its talking to me???

 

[whatgoeshere?]

Genesis 8:18 "And Noah went forth, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him:
Gen 8:19 Every beast, every creeping thing, and every fowl, and whatsoever creepeth upon the earth, after their kinds, went forth out of the ark."

Although there is no clear mention in Scripture (to my knowledge) that the flood, "cleansed" the earth from....
Genesis 6:5 "And Yahweh saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."

There are some wonderful truths revealed in the flood. My thoughts are on what the flood accomplished. My thoughts are centered on how wicked that man had become. Lets start with blood. The following is what happened....

Genesis 4:8 "And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
Gen 4:9 And Yahweh said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
Gen 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground."

The murder of Abel by his brother Cain was the second attack on the human race that Elohim had created to ultimately bring about salvation thru Messiah Jesus. I can see here, the early attempts of the enemy of our souls, Satan, to eliminate the godly line of men in who our Savior and Israel's Messiah would be born.

Satan's plan was to eliminate all believers in Elohim (Father EL, Son Yahshua, and Holy Spirit Ruah ha` Qudesh) The Names for the Trinity are from the Paleo Hebrew which is the oldest language given to man from YHWH when He wrote the 10 Commandments, given to Moses.

Then we progress to Genesis 6. This is a very controversial portion of Scripture, no wonder, Satan has always been busy, hiding his plan to create his own race of wickedness to take over what Yahweh had created.

Think about it my friends. Whether you believe Genesis six is true or not, Enoch said it was true, and he was so prized in Elohim, he was taken to Heaven (Shawmaeen) like no other. I'll take Enoch's word over man's any day....Satan is very clever in hiding Truth right up to today.

Thank and Praise Elohim for preserving His godly line thru Noah....
Genesis 6:8 "But Noah found grace in the eyes of Yahweh.
Noah and the Flood
6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with Elohim."

Please notice that this Scripture says, "Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations."....Elohim knew of Satan's plan, even thoughts and plans, even though he hadn't committed them yet. As a result, all thru Noah generations, Elohim hedged up Noah's forefathers so that evil could not destroy this line of godly ones so that Yahshua, our salvation could be realized.

Having said all this, the flood completely cleansed the earth. Water cleanses, as does the blood of Yahshua. After the flood, Satan is defeated....Can man keep it clean?

If God cleansed the earth of its evil ones, why did he pick a man that would eventually fail him in righteous behavior? Noah was a drunkard. And the children were imperfect as well, as are all mortals born so.

 

[Chopper]

If God cleansed the earth of its evil ones, why did he pick a man that would eventually fail him in righteous behavior? Noah was a drunkard. And the children were imperfect as well, as are all mortals born so.

The generations, prior to the flood were all wicked due to the nephilim, Satan's attempt to create his own race to stop the generation that would produce the Messiah of Yahweh. But, HalleluYah, Noah was the only man on the earth at that time who had....Genesis 6:9 "These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation. Noah walked with God."

Noah was not an ongoing drunkard. He got drunk one time because the atmosphere changed after the flood from a "Mist" to our atmosphere which ferments wine on it's own just like cider.

Satan's tactics never change. He continually temps mankind to defeat all those who try and obey the truth of Almighty God. Noah's sons were no different than us today.

 

[whatgoeshere?]

The generations, prior to the flood were all wicked due to the nephilim, Satan's attempt to create his own race to stop the generation that would produce the Messiah of Yahweh. But, HalleluYah, Noah was the only man on the earth at that time who had....Genesis 6:9 "These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation. Noah walked with God."

Noah was not an ongoing drunkard. He got drunk one time because the atmosphere changed after the flood from a "Mist" to our atmosphere which ferments wine on it's own just like cider.

Satan's tactics never change. He continually temps mankind to defeat all those who try and obey the truth of Almighty God. Noah's sons were no different than us today.

Interesting narrative. I would think there would have to be writings in the Bible to support your observations. Are there?

 

[Chopper]

Interesting narrative. I would think there would have to be writings in the Bible to support your observations. Are there?

I gave it to you....Genesis 6:9.

 

[barelohim]

chopper,( quote)Noah was not an ongoing drunkard. He got drunk one time because the atmosphere changed after the flood from a "Mist" to our atmosphere which ferments wine on it's own just like cider. (unquote)

It was the rain that started the flood. So the mist had changed to rain before the flood. And it didn't just come down from the sky, it came up from the earth. Genesis 5;11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
The ground water that we have today is far less than it used to be...The ground water being used in the flood, left the crust of the earth without support and caused a great moving of the "plates" causing the mountains and valleys seen today.

 

[whatgoeshere?]

I gave it to you....Genesis 6:9.

I did see that scripture. I was speaking to what you added when you remarked, "Noah was not an ongoing drunkard. He got drunk one time because the atmosphere changed after the flood from a "Mist" to our atmosphere which ferments wine on it's own just like cider."
Asking for the scripture that supports that narrative.

 

[barelohim]

I did see that scripture. I was speaking to what you added when you remarked, "Noah was not an ongoing drunkard. He got drunk one time because the atmosphere changed after the flood from a "Mist" to our atmosphere which ferments wine on it's own just like cider."
Asking for the scripture that supports that narrative.

As you can read from my post, chopper can't.

 

[Hermit]

This may help

...Genesis 9 tells how Noah planted a vineyard after the flood and became drunk from the fruit of it. This is an aberration in the life of this godly man. Some have suggested that Noah did not know his grape juice would ferment so quickly or so extensively in the post-flood atmosphere. Or perhaps the reduced atmospheric pressure made it harder for him to “hold his drink.” While this is only speculation, the removal of the vapor canopy could help explain this curious situation....​

The article continues. It explores for evidence of the pre-flood vapour canopy.

SOURCE: http://www.genesispark.com/exhibits/early-earth/atmosphere/

 

[whatgoeshere?]

This may help

...Genesis 9 tells how Noah planted a vineyard after the flood and became drunk from the fruit of it. This is an aberration in the life of this godly man. Some have suggested that Noah did not know his grape juice would ferment so quickly or so extensively in the post-flood atmosphere. Or perhaps the reduced atmospheric pressure made it harder for him to “hold his drink.” While this is only speculation, the removal of the vapor canopy could help explain this curious situation....​

The article continues. It explores for evidence of the pre-flood vapour canopy.

SOURCE: http://www.genesispark.com/exhibits/early-earth/atmosphere/

Very good post. This part especially may assist Chopper's understanding further. Genesis 9 tells how Noah planted a vineyard after the flood and became drunk from the fruit of it.
Not a one time event. Also we are told of Noah's curse upon Canaan and this too due to his drinking.

 

[Chopper]

chopper,( quote)Noah was not an ongoing drunkard. He got drunk one time because the atmosphere changed after the flood from a "Mist" to our atmosphere which ferments wine on it's own just like cider. (unquote)

It was the rain that started the flood. So the mist had changed to rain before the flood. And it didn't just come down from the sky, it came up from the earth. Genesis 5;11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
The ground water that we have today is far less than it used to be...The ground water being used in the flood, left the crust of the earth without support and caused a great moving of the "plates" causing the mountains and valleys seen today.

Thank you for your support and further information my friend.

 

[Chopper]

I did see that scripture. I was speaking to what you added when you remarked, "Noah was not an ongoing drunkard. He got drunk one time because the atmosphere changed after the flood from a "Mist" to our atmosphere which ferments wine on it's own just like cider."
Asking for the scripture that supports that narrative.

No Scripture, just science.

 

[whatgoeshere?]

No Scripture, just science.

Science doesn't take the place of scripture in this matter.

 

[Chopper]

Science doesn't take the place of scripture in this matter.

I don't debate or argue. I gave you a truthful answer. That's how it was before and after the flood.

 

[Douglas Summers]

Can man keep it clean. No he can't, " For darkness shall cover the earth, and great darkness the people...........
The earth will become as it was in Genesis 1:2 and He will make a new heaven and a new earth.
Ecc. 1: 9 That which hath been is that which shall be; and that which hath been done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Ecc. 3: 15 That which is hath been long ago; and that which is to be hath long ago been: and God seeketh again that which is passed away.

No, he can not. But it will be the manifestation of the Son's of God who will deliver the cursed earth and deliver it from the bondage of corruption. And the earth is waiting in hope along with ourselves, waiting for the adoption of Sons. (Rom. 8:18-270 This is the Church...not Israel the Nation, whom God has made of one new man out of the two. (Eph. 2:11-22).

 

[Douglas Summers]

Satan is very clever in hiding Truth right up to today.

Hi Chopper, As for me, as I understand the wiles of Satan, He always tries to make God out to be a liar so that a man will question God's word and act then upon his own reasoning (usually pride being the catalysis) (Gen. 3:1-6)