The Beast of Revelations

[Loveandpeace]

Hi I'm new on this site. I'm not really much of a Christian, but reading the Bible a tiny bit lately I think that the two beasts of revelation have something to do with Money and Corporate Globalization. (I have an international business degree, so that's my take on it). This is very scary what's in the bible end times, because for all of history we have been able to ignore it saying that there is nothing happening in real life that mimics it, but now it's undeniable, we are globalized, and the beast has taken over. I have been thinking a lot about human and environmental rights lately, and my internet travels have taken me everywhere including bible end times discussion. And I must concede... I have to agree that we are living in the end times. I used to be brainwashed with my college degree but then there were books and people that set me straight in regards to what globalization really mean.... Now I cannot look at the current global system as anything than a beast. In fact the best way that I could describe a corporation is a soul-less beast... and then when I read about revelations and its soul-less beast.... I'm afraid that it is talking about the same one.

We need to stop worshipping money, because it is not our true wealth, it is only a worthless piece of paper. Our true wealth on earth is humanity and our natural planet. Instead of protecting our true wealth we have destroyed it and sold it down the river for money. Because a greedy few convinced us it was for our own good, and our greed took over us.

"Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught, will we realise that We cannot eat money"
-Native American Proverb

We are living in the end times. Why? Because different people's traditions and prophecies in this day and age are finally converging into one. That's just one sign of many.

 

[veteran]

Lot of what you say is right. There's 2 beasts given in Revelation 13. The first one comes up out of the 'sea', and Rev.17 shows the 'waters' represent peoples, tongues, multitudes, and nations. That's the system 'beast' which you're talking about. It's have ten horns, ten crowns, and be upon seven heads (whole earth). This is why the world controllers are not overly concerned about the dumping of western markets, because that's part of their aim in order to bring all nations on board with a one world currency and into world socialism.

So you're seeing the "one world government" coming forth; that's a good thing, because many today are still in denial about it. And if you're seeing the Bible parallel of it too, that's even better, because you wouldn't begin to fathom it unless God had given it to you to know. So what else in His Word has He given you that you've not gotten to yet? The time is getting short. Study. And most importantly, have Faith in Him through His Son, and ask Him what it is He wants you to do. God is calling a people out in these last days, even a lot of folks that have spent much of their lives following after the world instead of seeking Him. It's late, but not too late yet.

The 2nd 'beast' of Revelation 13 begins in verse 11, mentioned as the "another beast". That one is about a certain entity and involves false worship, false religious worship. The international powers in this world do not just have wealth as their final aim. Their aim is control over all the earth, and worship of their 'rock' and set him up as "king of the world". That's the main event to be watching for.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The beast with seven heads and ten horns is the devided empire of the middle east.
The seven heads are seven hills that Jerusalem sits upon.The ten horns are ten muslim nations that shall go to war with the Lamb of God over the promised land.

Concerning the woman that sits upon the seven hills.aka(seven heads)
Rev 17;18
And the woman which thou sawest is that great city,which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

People.God is not the author of confusion.If you could only accept his word as a child ,you wouldnt stumble so.Its not that hard to understand.

I will tell you this.Many of the prophecies in both REV and the book of Daniel concern the middle east.Its focus is events that take place in and around the promised land at the time of the end.

These ten horns upon the beast hate the whore(Jerusalem and Judaism)and shall make her desolate and naked and shall burn her flesh with fire.


rev 17;9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom,The seven heads are seven mountains,on which the woman sitteth.
Are there any with wisdom?

 

[Loveandpeace]

I believe that we are being called to repent from our wordly sins, and correct the mistakes we have made. To stop straying in hyper-individualism and start believing in something greater than ourselves. Not just in God, but in each other, because we are all a part of God, made in his image. We must begin to trust in each other again and begin to cooperate with each other again, and to stop destroying ourselves, each other and our planet.

As I am sitting here writing this... I feel at the same time discouraged... because if the revelations are to come true, then what good does it do for me to tell others what we SHOULD be doing if in the end the Bible says people will not listen? Is it possible that God gave us this prophecy so that as we near it and begin to recognize it in our own reality, we could maybe do something to stop it coming true, and save our world? Or does it necessarily mean that the prophecy will HAVE TO happen regardless?

Feels so futile. It's like I see the answer so clearly, but I know that the world will not listen. The answer is love. And peace. And the opposite of love is not hate, but fear. Instead of fearing we must learn to love, trust and live in peace. Give love, trust and peace a chance. And when it fails us, give it another chance, and another and another, unto our dying breaths. This is why we were put upon this earth with free will, to affirm God's nature, the nature of creation and Love, no matter how difficult the obstacles in our way. The pain we go through in our life are the birth pains of God creating and refining us into his own image, so that one day we may, of our own free will and desire and conscience, re-unite our spirits with God. In our own little way, We are God. We are not higher than God, but on our planet he made us his stewards of creation. And we have failed miserably, failed each other and our planet. For money, fear, greed and selfishness. We were put here on this planet by God to overcome these things of our own free-will so that in doing so we could truly understand, how beautiful God is and how horrible it is to walk without God.

 

[Loveandpeace]

The beast with seven heads and ten horns is the devided empire of the middle east.
The seven heads are seven hills that Jerusalem sits upon.The ten horns are ten muslim nations that shall go to war with the Lamb of God over the promised land.

Concerning the woman that sits upon the seven hills.aka(seven heads)
Rev 17;18
And the woman which thou sawest is that great city,which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

People.God is not the author of confusion.If you could only accept his word as a child ,you wouldnt stumble so.Its not that hard to understand.

I will tell you this.Many of the prophecies in both REV and the book of Daniel concern the middle east.Its focus is events that take place in and around the promised land at the time of the end.

These ten horns upon the beast hate the whore(Jerusalem and Judaism)and shall make her desolate and naked and shall burn her flesh with fire.


rev 17;9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom,The seven heads are seven mountains,on which the woman sitteth.
Are there any with wisdom?

I will not take a stand on the issue of which parts of the Bible can be taken literally and which should be taken figuratively. I simply do not know. And I don't think that anyone can say that they know.

I am tempted to say that if there is any one city that "reigneth over all" on earth at this hour... it is New York City... and its black heart, Wall Street.

Do not be upset that I cannot agree with you on specifics, I am not well versed in the Bible, the only book I have read from beginning to end is the Psalms, and the only thing I know about revelations is tiny famous snippets about a beast an a mark. I am speaking more from life observation than Bible study. The part about the mark of the beast also is scary. At certain humane societies you already cannot get a pet without having it microchipped first. That is a huge invasion of privacy. It's tracking the human as much as the pet.

If I am to continue conversing on this forum I will have to soon pick up the Bible and actually read through the book of Daniel and revelations at least... until i do that, just a fair warning that everything I say comes more from me than Bible study. The thing that led me to this forum is how the Biblical predictions of end days are coinciding a little bit too much with events going on around the world right now. But hey, this helps your cause, because it is proof that it does not take a devout Christian to see the connections. They are in fact only too obvious. You would have to be blind and deaf to deny it.

The things that I see going on around the world is a blatant disregard for human life and all life on Earth. What I see going on around the world - after much contemplation - I have come to have to label as Evil. I cannot find another word to properly describe it. Many forces of evil afoot in our world. And you don't have to be a devout Christian. You need be only a moral person with a conscience to admit that to remain silent about them, you are not simply "neutral" you are contributing to evil. Evil needs only silence to keep fluorishing. In order to keep your rose garden, you must always keep fighting for it.

 

[Loveandpeace]

Although I am Christian by baptism, I am not used to discussing my perception of reality in Christian terms, because my relationship with my creator is very personal. I do not categorize him under any human organization. It is the intelligent creator of the universe, the great connection between us all, the power of Love and creation that surpasses and overcomes any force of destruction and negativity. However on this forum, I will speak about my creator in Christian terms...

There are no shortcuts to entering the Kingdom of God. You must have love in your heart. No actions you take in this world can make up for this requirement. You must be capable of feeling love, compassion, hope and pain. You must be pure. You must be like a child. You must not put your trust in anything other than the love you felt for the world as a child, as innocent and naive as it may seem to you today as an adult of the world. We are born with the spirit of God in our hearts, and this world corrupts it as we grow up. Do not take what this world teaches you as wisdom, the only wisdom is Love, unconditional Love. This does not mean that you allow people to step on you. But it does mean that you carry Love in your heart and do not allow it to be conquered, no matter what this world does to you. Remember that if you remain pure and innocent, and like a child, there is nothing in your soul that God would approve of people attacking or corrupting. They would be lashing out at the heart of God.

 

[glorydaz]

Although I am Christian by baptism, I am not used to discussing my perception of reality in Christian terms, because my relationship with my creator is very personal. I do not categorize him under any human organization. It is the intelligent creator of the universe, the great connection between us all, the power of Love and creation that surpasses and overcomes any force of destruction and negativity. However on this forum, I will speak about my creator in Christian terms...

There are no shortcuts to entering the Kingdom of God. You must have love in your heart. No actions you take in this world can make up for this requirement. You must be capable of feeling love, compassion, hope and pain. You must be pure. You must be like a child. You must not put your trust in anything other than the love you felt for the world as a child, as innocent and naive as it may seem to you today as an adult of the world. We are born with the spirit of God in our hearts, and this world corrupts it as we grow up. Do not take what this world teaches you as wisdom, the only wisdom is Love, unconditional Love. This does not mean that you allow people to step on you. But it does mean that you carry Love in your heart and do not allow it to be conquered, no matter what this world does to you. Remember that if you remain pure and innocent, and like a child, there is nothing in your soul that God would approve of people attacking or corrupting. They would be lashing out at the heart of God.

You've summed things up pretty well. God has shown His glory in creation, and given us His eternal law of love written in our conscience. Man is without excuse.

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

But what you're seeing is the time of the harvest is near....The Lord will return and the earth will be harvested. All the evil will be taken away and the righteous will be taken into the "barn".

And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

There is one important step...we're to come as little children, yes. But we must turn to God and receive his Son as payment for our sins. For all men have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

 

[veteran]

As I am sitting here writing this... I feel at the same time discouraged... because if the revelations are to come true, then what good does it do for me to tell others what we SHOULD be doing if in the end the Bible says people will not listen? Is it possible that God gave us this prophecy so that as we near it and begin to recognize it in our own reality, we could maybe do something to stop it coming true, and save our world? Or does it necessarily mean that the prophecy will HAVE TO happen regardless?

God told us in His Word what He's going to do, and He declared none will disannul it. For us He is going to make an end of all rebellion against Him in destroying this world. I welcome that, because I know He has prepared something better for us. If you stay on Him, I guarantee you won't miss this present world nor the things in it when the time comes for the next world.

Bible study will give you peace of mind in knowing and understanding many things about the world to come, in comparison to this present world age. We have a hard time thinking of how that world to come will manifest, simply because we think His creation of our present world couldn't possibly be better. Our Heavenly Father gave us hints in His Word of the next world as a comfort, so we wouldn't think this world should not end.

 

[chestertonrules]

Hi I'm new on this site. I'm not really much of a Christian, but reading the Bible a tiny bit lately I think that the two beasts of revelation have something to do with Money and Corporate Globalization. .

That's not the bible. I think you accidentally picked up the Leftist Bible, Das Kapital.

 

[Loveandpeace]

Hi I'm new on this site. I'm not really much of a Christian, but reading the Bible a tiny bit lately I think that the two beasts of revelation have something to do with Money and Corporate Globalization. .

That's not the bible. I think you accidentally picked up the Leftist Bible, Das Kapital.

I've never even read Das Kapital. Excuse my rudeness, but I think you must be blind if you cannot see that money and corporate globalization have something to do with revelations. Who knows, I may turn out to be completely wrong... But as things stand in the world today, I do not see how it could be any other way. Our world is in the Godless clutches of a greedy few. They are vested in corporations, which are their vehicles of destruction. The lifeblood of these corporations is money, and money is held out in front of us like a carrot, as if this was our real food, instead of the food that God provides through nature. Everything is ass-backwards in the world today. Is that not what Revelations teaches? I suspect that it is.

Here on this forum Christians gather together to talk, but if you knew what other people in the world gather together to do, I think that maybe there would be no doubt left in your mind that we are in the end times. Despite the fact that I achieved a degree in International Business, it was not for me, so I was never able to succeed with it. It was something I did out of fear of following my heart, because that would have taken me into a career path that suits me, something that helps humanity instead of destroying us, and no one ever advises you to do that these day. Everyone just tells you to major in business because this will bring you the most security. Security, ok. But for what? Like John Lennon said, "You must learn how to smile while you kill, if you want to be like the folks on the hill." I suspect that many of us go into the path of business wrongly guided.

Now back to my point, given that business is what most people focus on these days, all you need to do is find out what corporate globalization entails for humanity and for the planet, and this answers the question of, "Where is humanity headed?" Well, we are headed to hell in a handbasket.

The average consumer is simply oblivious to the incredible crimes against humanity that occur every second of every day in our world, to fill the coffers of corporations, and bring you and me the frankenfood that passes for food today, and the products that are deemed necessary to have in our possession today to be considered "respectable" and "like the Joneses." We are living in days in which, if you are following the main herd, you are without a doubt, breaking God's law to the extreme. You are obliterating your own soul with every breath you keep taking in this direction.

So this is why I am nearly 100% sure that our global money system is what revelations talks about for the end days... because... let's be honest... could it get any worse than this? Any worse than this will be when the effects of the destruction come to our front doors, and by then it will be too late to do anything about it. By the time it is only too obvious, it is also too late. Living in countries with internet access we are most sheltered from the destruction. It will reach us last of all. But very soon it will come knocking to our door. Our planet, our species, our God, have had enough. Somebody has to pay. And since we have all, wittingly or unwittingly contributed to the destruction, guess who is going to pay...

It's a tragedy because God gave us this garden called Earth, and he gave us each other so that we may not be lonely. And look what we have done to it. We have defiled it and ourselves along with it. It makes me want to scream for His Divine Vengeance. If the end times are meant to come... PLEASE... BRING THEM NOW.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I am tempted to say that if there is any one city that "reigneth over all" on earth at this hour... it is New York City... and its black heart, Wall Street.

Then you would be wrong.It is written that the nations must serve the king of Babylon for 70 years.Then the nations shal serve themselves of the king of Babylon.

There has been nothing the muslim nations can do against Israel for 60 years now .
If you study enough,and pay attention to all that is written about Babylon in scripture,there would be no doubt left that Jerusalem is Babylon the great.It is Jerusalem that reigns over those ten kings of the earth.
As Ive said on this board before.Most prophecy is focused around the promised land during the time of the end.Pay attention to the promised land.

 

[lecoop]

I am tempted to say that if there is any one city that "reigneth over all" on earth at this hour... it is New York City... and its black heart, Wall Street.

Then you would be wrong.It is written that the nations must serve the king of Babylon for 70 years.Then the nations shal serve themselves of the king of Babylon.

There has been nothing the muslim nations can do against Israel for 60 years now .
If you study enough,and pay attention to all that is written about Babylon in scripture,there would be no doubt left that Jerusalem is Babylon the great.It is Jerusalem that reigns over those ten kings of the earth.
As Ive said on this board before.Most prophecy is focused around the promised land during the time of the end.Pay attention to the promised land.

Shilohsfoal is right; John tells us that the Great whore Babylon is none other than the city of Jerusalem. But, we must put a time frame to this title: Jerusalem is NOT the Great Whore Babylon yet. God is speaking specifically of the last 42 months of the 70th week, when the beast is ruling much of the world from Jerusalem, and perpetrating the WORST deception ever to come on the world: convincing the world that the beast is God and the false prophet is the Messiah. All will be deceived except those whose names are written in the book of Life. We are talking about untold millions of people, deceived into taking the mark, and dooming themselves to hell. The nations "committing fornication" with her, means that they swallow the deception, hook, line and sinker. It seems impossible now to believe that the masses can be so deceived - but Satan is the master of deception.

While the beast is in control over his kingdom, controlling the seven kings of the seven "mountains" or significant nations that dwell in the same land area as the ancient kingdoms of BAbylon, Medo-persia, and Greece, He will be controlling ALL the oil of the Mid East. He will have all the riches imaginable, and he will be purchasing Gold, silver, and the finest things of the world, as if there were no tomorrow, making Jerusalem one of the richest cities of the world. He will be buying SO MUCH STUFF that merchants and shipping companies get wealthy over his merchandizing.

But, God has decreed that Babylon is fallen, is fallen. If anyone can tell me why God says this twice (is fallen, is fallen) I really want to know!

The Ten nations that join with the beast for one hour, have one purpose in mind: to destroy all that is Jerusalem and all that is Israel. All those combined armies sweep into Israel. Surprise! Surprise! They have come to become food for the feast!! They have come to meet the creator of this Universe face to face. They too have been deceived by the beast. They have come only to die.

Coop

 

[Shilohsfoal]

But, God has decreed that Babylon is fallen, is fallen. If anyone can tell me why God says this twice (is fallen, is fallen) I really want to know!


Coop

Rev 18;2
And he cried mightily with a strong voice,saying,Babylon the great is fallen,is fallen,and is become the habitation of devils,and the hold of every foul spirit,and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

It means there is a falling away to take place .
In rev 18;4 ,God's people are told to "come out of her".
Same as Mathew 24;16
Then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains.

It is because of the abomination of desolation(aka mark of the beast).

 

[lecoop]

But, God has decreed that Babylon is fallen, is fallen. If anyone can tell me why God says this twice (is fallen, is fallen) I really want to know!


Coop

Rev 18;2
And he cried mightily with a strong voice,saying,Babylon the great is fallen,is fallen,and is become the habitation of devils,and the hold of every foul spirit,and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

It means there is a falling away to take place .
In rev 18;4 ,God's people are told to "come out of her".
Same as Mathew 24;16
Then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains.

It is because of the abomination of desolation(aka mark of the beast).

It is a theory. But your timing is off. Those living in Judea are told to flee when they see the abomination, which will be at the exact midpoint of the week. These verses about "Babylon is fallen, is fallen" are very near the END of the week.

Coop

 

[Shilohsfoal]

My timing is not off.

 

[lecoop]

My timing is not off.

Matt 24
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

WHEN do they flee? At the abomination. WHEN is the abmination?

Dan 9:27
27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate

The amomination divides the week in half, so it is at the midpoint of the week.

Revelation 14:8
And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

WHEN is chapter 14? John is still at the midpoint or very close to it - in chapter 14. The beast has been revealed via the abomination, but has not had time yet, to get his mark set up. God gives this warning through an angel:

Rev 14
9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,

At this point in time, The beast has only been in Jerusalem for a short time. He has not yet got his killing machine perfected. The false witness has not come yet.

Therefore, Rev 14:8, the "is fallen, is fallen" is a PROPHECY. It has not happened yet in real time. God has a habit of calling those things that be not, as thougth they were.

Revelation 18:2 (King James Version)
2And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

What time is it here, in chapter 18? It is AFTER the 7th seal, AFTER the the 70th week, and AFTER Jerusalem has been destroyed by the earthquake and by fire. Therefore, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, Babylon is destroyed. About all that remains is for Jesus to return, and the beast and false prophet to be taken.

Therefore, YOUR TIMING IS OFF.

Coop

 

[Shilohsfoal]

My timing is not off.
Luke 21;21
Then let them which are ion judea flee to the mountains;and let them which are in the midst of it depart out,and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Rev 18;4
And I heard another voice from heaven saying.Come out of her ,my people,that ye be not paertakers of her sins,and that ye recieve not of her plagues.

According to your senerio ,the followers of Christ would leave when the abomination of desolation is placed,and then they would be told to leave after they had already left.

The abomination of desolation is the mark of the beast.
The second beast that gives the the mark of the beast is the host (army)that is sent to Jerusalem by Daniel's king of the north.This army makes fire come down out of heaven in the sight of the beast.

Daniel 12;7
And I heard the man clothed in linen,which was upon the waters of the river,when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven,and sware by him that liveth forever that it shall be for for a time,times,and a half;and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people,all these things shall be finished.


Daniel 7;25
And he shall speak great words against the most High,and think to change times and laws;and they shall be given into his hand untill a time,and times and the deviding of time.



My timing is dead on.
Daniel 12;7 is speaking of how the saints are given into the king of the norths hand for the same three and half years as Daniel 7;25. which is speaking of the beast.

According to your senerio.
The saints will be scatterd by the king of the north for three and half years then they shall be given into the hand of the beast for another three and a half years.I dont think so.

 

[lecoop]

My timing is not off.
Luke 21;21
Then let them which are ion judea flee to the mountains;and let them which are in the midst of it depart out,and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Rev 18;4
And I heard another voice from heaven saying.Come out of her ,my people,that ye be not paertakers of her sins,and that ye recieve not of her plagues.

According to your senerio ,the followers of Christ would leave when the abomination of desolation is placed,and then they would be told to leave after they had already left.

The abomination of desolation is the mark of the beast.
The second beast that gives the the mark of the beast is the host (army)that is sent to Jerusalem by Daniel's king of the north.This army makes fire come down out of heaven in the sight of the beast.

Daniel 12;7
And I heard the man clothed in linen,which was upon the waters of the river,when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven,and sware by him that liveth forever that it shall be for for a time,times,and a half;and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people,all these things shall be finished.


Daniel 7;25
And he shall speak great words against the most High,and think to change times and laws;and they shall be given into his hand untill a time,and times and the deviding of time.



My timing is dead on.
Daniel 12;7 is speaking of how the saints are given into the king of the norths hand for the same three and half years as Daniel 7;25. which is speaking of the beast.

According to your senerio.
The saints will be scatterd by the king of the north for three and half years then they shall be given into the hand of the beast for another three and a half years.I dont think so.

When you quote scripture, you do well. But, when you interpret that scripture, you go wrong.
you wrote, "The abomination of desolation is the mark of the beast." Who said this (besides you?) This is only your opinion, and it is WRONG. Did you not read what Antiochus Epiphanes did - to become a TYPE of this beast? He desecrated the alter of Sacrifice, by sacrificing a pig, then, worse yet, set up a statue of a false God in the Holy place. Did you not read what Paul wrote?

2 Thes 2
4...... so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

This is the abomonation that they will see, and this is when they are told to FLEE. This event will take place at the exact middle of the 70th week, dividing the week into two 1260 day halves. This event will happen in Revelation, at the sounding of the 7th trumpet. You will notice, that just a few verses AFTER the sounding of the 7th trumpet, the woman flees into the wilderness (12:6) And again (12:14).

The mark will not be set up at the exact midpoint. If you notice, the beast and his armies do not arrive in Jerusalem until just before the 7th trumpet. (11:1-2). In other words, the trampling of the outer court will not begin at the first of the week; John shows us that it begins JUST before the sounding of the 7th trumpet; perhaps one week before. Therefore, he will not have had time to set up the mark. Next, John shows us in chapter 13, that the second beast comes AFTER. How long after? John does not tell us. But he does NOT show up at the midpoint. But the abomination DOES show up at the midpoint and the fleeing takes place at the midpoint. Therefore, your theories are flawed. You based them on your own imagination; not understanding exactly what they will flee from. The beast will declare that He is GOD. That is the amomination. He will undoubtedly sit down in the MOST holy place, SHOWING EVERYONE that he is god. THAT is the abomination. Yes, later, perhaps a month or two later, maybe longer, the image will be built, and it too may be put in the Temple. And that too will be a part of the abominaton - but the woman will have already flown into the wilderness. If you will note, 12:6 tells us she will be protected for exactly 1260 days. That PROVES that she flees the moment the abomination takes place.

You have erred again: the "COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE," has NOTHING to do with the fleeing. They are talking about two totally separate times. The fleeing takes place exactly at the midpoint. John told them to come out, JUST BEFORE her destruction.

According to your senerio ,the followers of Christ would leave when the abomination of desolation is placed,and then they would be told to leave after they had already left.

That is your theory, and it sounds silly, because it is based on a FALSE PREMISE. First, the woman that flees are those living in Judea, and are JEWS/Hebrews. Sorry, but at the time they flee, they are NOT followers of Chirst. Yes, they are following what He said about fleeing, but they still, at that time, will not believe he is the Messiah. It is possible that some in Jerusalem have turned to Christ right at the end, just before the city is destroyed. So Jesus gives the warning, to leave the city. Again, this has NOTHING to do with the fleeing in 12:6. As I said before, your TIMING is way off. Now I see it is more than timing: your whole theory is off.

The second beast that gives the the mark of the beast is the host (army)that is sent to Jerusalem by Daniel's king of the north.This army makes fire come down out of heaven in the sight of the beast.

Where do you get these crazy ideas? The second beast is a MAN, just as the first beast is a MAN. The first beast declares he is god, and the second beast declares he is the Messiah. together with Satan, they form an unholy trinity that will be destroyed. Remember, in the Greek, "antichrist" means "in the place of" Christ. Sorry, it is a MAN that makes fire come down. That is one of the lies of deceit.

AGain, when you quote scripture, you do well, but then you add your twist, and go off the deep end. Dan. 12:7 is speaking of the SECOND HALF of the 70th week. If you will note, 12:1 is speaking of the days of great tribulation. In truth, 12:1 is at the exact midpoint of the week, right at the time of the abomination. It is when Michael arises to KICK Satan out of the heavens.

Daniel 7:25 is indeed speaking of the beast and the SECOND half of the 70th week, the SAME EXACT TIME as 12:7. They are both speaking of the same period of time, and are both speaking of the time of the authority given to the beast.

So for the last time, YOUR TIMING IS OFF. And YOUR THEORIES ARE OFF.

Coop

 

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2 Thes 2
4...... so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

You dont even know what the temple of God is.
Perhaps you should read more of Pauls letters and find out.

I understand its hard to swallow but yes.The abomination will be in the wing of the temple.
In the right hand of the human body.

Ps
Youve only a few short years before this takes place..We are at the raiser of taxes .even now.

 

[lecoop]

2 Thes 2
4...... so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

You dont even know what the temple of God is.
Perhaps you should read more of Pauls letters and find out.

I understand its hard to swallow but yes.The abomination will be in the wing of the temple.
In the right hand of the human body.

Ps
Youve only a few short years before this takes place..We are at the raiser of taxes .even now.

It would be VERY difficult for a man to sit inside another man. But that is not all.

Rev 11
...Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

There is just no way you can twist this to mean anything other than what John (and the Holy Spirit) really meant: there WILL BE another temple. The beast WILL sit in the Holy place, as Paul said.
John was told to measure the temple. Please note, this temple has an altar. This temple has PEOPLE worshipping therein. Therefore, IT IS A REAL, PHYSICAL TEMPLE.

Jesus was speaking of this very thing, when He told those in Judea to flee.

Matthew 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

What holy Place? The SAME Holy Place Paul said that the man of sin would be to declare that he is god.
IN THE NEW TEMPLE. A PHYSICAL temple that has an alter, and worshippers INSIDE worshipping.

You can twist, morphe all you want, but in the end, you will be totally wrong: The Holy Spirit is telling us through Paul and John that there will be a new temple. Do you EVER listen to news? There are some in Jerusalem that this is their ONLY GOAL in life: to make a real animal sacrifice in a REAL temple. They have most of it all ready to assemble.

Of course, you are free to believe your theories - but always know, they WILL be proved wrong.

Coop