The Beast of Revelations

[Shilohsfoal]

Ive not read of another temple of God.
9 times Paul spoke of the temple of God and not once did he say it was anything other than the body.

Now you say Paul is speaking of something thats not even mentioned in the bible.Not only that ,you also say that by the Holy Spirit ,Paul is saying the temple of God is a building made by man.
Unbelievable.

 

[veteran]

Ive not read of another temple of God.
9 times Paul spoke of the temple of God and not once did he say it was anything other than the body.

Now you say Paul is speaking of something thats not even mentioned in the bible.Not only that ,you also say that by the Holy Spirit ,Paul is saying the temple of God is a building made by man.
Unbelievable.

I don't agree with everything lecoop says, but the temple Christ showed the "abomination of desolation" is to be placed within IS about a literal physical temple in Jerusalem, not Christ's Church as the spiritual temple idea Paul preached in Ephesians. In Matt.24 and Mark 13, our Lord Jesus and His disciples were overlooking the Temple Mount complex in Jeruslaem while upon the Mount of Olives. It's that specific area which He warned about seeing the "abomination of desolation" from Daniel 11 that He was speaking of. Trying to change that to mean the spiritual temple idea Paul taught in Ephesians is a hoax by false prophets started some time ago. Christ is the Chief Cornerstone in the spiritual temple of Paul, and each believer on Christ makes up a foundation stone in it. The spiritual temple cannot be corrupted.

Thus the meaning of 2 Thess.2:3-4 about a false one sitting in the Temple of God, showing himself that he is God, involves a literal physical temple, specifically a temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem where Christ was pointing to with the "abomination of desolation" prophecy from Daniel.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Ive not read of another temple of God.
9 times Paul spoke of the temple of God and not once did he say it was anything other than the body.

Now you say Paul is speaking of something thats not even mentioned in the bible.Not only that ,you also say that by the Holy Spirit ,Paul is saying the temple of God is a building made by man.
Unbelievable.

I don't agree with everything lecoop says, but the temple Christ showed the "abomination of desolation" is to be placed within IS about a literal physical temple in Jerusalem, not Christ's Church as the spiritual temple idea Paul preached in Ephesians. In Matt.24 and Mark 13, our Lord Jesus and His disciples were overlooking the Temple Mount complex in Jeruslaem while upon the Mount of Olives. It's that specific area which He warned about seeing the "abomination of desolation" from Daniel 11 that He was speaking of. Trying to change that to mean the spiritual temple idea Paul taught in Ephesians is a hoax by false prophets started some time ago. Christ is the Chief Cornerstone in the spiritual temple of Paul, and each believer on Christ makes up a foundation stone in it. The spiritual temple cannot be corrupted.

Thus the meaning of 2 Thess.2:3-4 about a false one sitting in the Temple of God, showing himself that he is God, involves a literal physical temple, specifically a temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem where Christ was pointing to with the "abomination of desolation" prophecy from Daniel.

No,It is the human body where the name of antichrist will be written.Not a stone building that coop is saying God dwells in.That mark is being prepared as we speak and those who dwell in Judea will be put to death if they dont worship the beast or take his mark.

Danie 11;33
And they that understand amoung the people shall instruct many;yet they shall fall by the sword,and by flame,by captivity,and by spoil,many days.

At least these people who understand will know.But the only way they can know is by the revelation of Jesus Christ.Those who reject Jesus will know squat.

 

[lecoop]

Ive not read of another temple of God.
9 times Paul spoke of the temple of God and not once did he say it was anything other than the body.

Now you say Paul is speaking of something thats not even mentioned in the bible.Not only that ,you also say that by the Holy Spirit ,Paul is saying the temple of God is a building made by man.
Unbelievable.

I don't agree with everything lecoop says, but the temple Christ showed the "abomination of desolation" is to be placed within IS about a literal physical temple in Jerusalem, not Christ's Church as the spiritual temple idea Paul preached in Ephesians. In Matt.24 and Mark 13, our Lord Jesus and His disciples were overlooking the Temple Mount complex in Jeruslaem while upon the Mount of Olives. It's that specific area which He warned about seeing the "abomination of desolation" from Daniel 11 that He was speaking of. Trying to change that to mean the spiritual temple idea Paul taught in Ephesians is a hoax by false prophets started some time ago. Christ is the Chief Cornerstone in the spiritual temple of Paul, and each believer on Christ makes up a foundation stone in it. The spiritual temple cannot be corrupted.

Thus the meaning of 2 Thess.2:3-4 about a false one sitting in the Temple of God, showing himself that he is God, involves a literal physical temple, specifically a temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem where Christ was pointing to with the "abomination of desolation" prophecy from Daniel.

Yes, Shilohsfoal, EXACTLY what Veteran says here. He is DEAD-ON!!
I will add to what He said: you CANNOT make what John wrote in Rev 11:1-2, into anything BUT a physical temple. Just read it without preconceived glasses. This temple has a ALTER in it. And there are worshippers IN IT. It is a PHYSICAL temple.

Coop

 

[Shilohsfoal]

[Yes, Shilohsfoal, EXACTLY what Veteran says here. He is DEAD-ON!!
I will add to what He said: you CANNOT make what John wrote in Rev 11:1-2, into anything BUT a physical temple. Just read it without preconceived glasses. This temple has a ALTER in it. And there are worshippers IN IT. It is a PHYSICAL temple.

Coop

Sounds like you are talking about the temple of REV chapter 11.
You talking about this temple?
Rev 11;19
And the temple of God was opened in heaven,and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testiment;and there were lightnings,and voices,and thunderings,and an earthquake,and great hail.

Tell us then.How is the son of perdition going to ascend into heaven and sit in that temple ?
Jet,plane or is he going up in the space shuttle?

 

[lecoop]

[Yes, Shilohsfoal, EXACTLY what Veteran says here. He is DEAD-ON!!
I will add to what He said: you CANNOT make what John wrote in Rev 11:1-2, into anything BUT a physical temple. Just read it without preconceived glasses. This temple has a ALTER in it. And there are worshippers IN IT. It is a PHYSICAL temple.

Coop

Sounds like you are talking about the temple of REV chapter 11.
You talking about this temple?
Rev 11;19
And the temple of God was opened in heaven,and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testiment;and there were lightnings,and voices,and thunderings,and an earthquake,and great hail.

Tell us then.How is the son of perdition going to ascend into heaven and sit in that temple ?
Jet,plane or is he going up in the space shuttle?

Ha ha ha! Shilohsfoal, sometimes you are hilarious!! What ever gave you the idea that that temple was in heaven? GOD dwells in the temple in heaven. HIS temple is not the one being measured.

2But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Shilohsfoal, how in the world would these Gentiles get into the heavenly temple? These are the armies of the beast of chapter 13. No, no, no! They will trample the NEW temple in Jerusalem.

By the way, the two witnesses with not be testifying in heaven either.

Coop

 

[Shilohsfoal]

2But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Shilohsfoal, how in the world would these Gentiles get into the heavenly temple? These are the armies of the beast of chapter 13. No, no, no! They will trample the NEW temple in Jerusalem.

By the way, the two witnesses with not be testifying in heaven either.

Coop

The court which is without the temple is without the temple.
They shall tread the holy city under foot.Where does it say anything about a gentile in the temple?
Where does it say anything about an antichrist in the temple?

It dont now do it?
Rev 11;19
And the temple of God was opened in heaven,and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testiment;and there were lightnings,and voices,and thunderings,and an earthquake,and great hail.

 

[change]

In order to understand who these beasts of Revelation 13 are we have to go to the book of Daniel.

Let's use the scriptures to come to a conclusion.

 

[veteran]

The temple of Rev.11:1-2 is not in heaven.

The temple of Rev.11:19 IS in heaven, so why is that given as the last verse of Rev.11? It's so as to compare God's Temple with the false temple at the start of the chapter.

Rev 11:1-2
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
(KJV)

John was given a "reed like unto a rod" to measure that first Rev.11 temple. Why was the reed "like unto a rod"? That means the reed was not simply for the purpose of measure; not some simple measuring stick. That word 'rod' can mean a staff for walking or punishing, or a royal sceptre, even a rod of iron like what Christ is to rule with when He comes. Verse 2 connects that time with the time of the beast's rule of 42 months, so that rod isn't of Christ. John was shown a group that worship within that temple, so there's worship going on, but what kind, and who to? During that 42 months it sure isn't our Lord Jesus being worshipped there, so who will it be?

Those verses are referring to worship inside a temple in Jerusalem, even referring to an altar and an outer court pattern like the previous Jerusalem temples. It's then important to next consider what would have be re-established in Jerusalem for that to happen. There's been loads of signs since the last decade of the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem intent to build another temple, and start up Old Covenant style worship there again. Some Islamic clerics are now saying a Jewish temple would be OK as long as it doesn't conflict with the Dome of the Rock that stands upon the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

Later in the Rev.11 chapter we're told God's two witnesses will appear there and give a Testimony for 1260 days, roughly the same time period as the 42 months. Then the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit will kill them. So WHAT beast is that? Let's see, so far we've got a temple, an altar, and a group that is worshipping therein, and Gentiles treading the outer court, which to tread the court is also an expression God used in Isaiah 1 to represent those of His people who come to Him in falseness and are not accepted. Along with that Message in Isaiah 1, God tells them to bring no more vain oblations and sacrifices to Him, that He's tired of all that. Yet that's exactly what the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem intend to offer Him in our near future.

That's the temple Apostle Paul referred to in 2 Thess.2:3-4 about the "man of sin" coming to sit in it, to show himself that he is God. That's also where our Lord Jesus was ultimately pointing to with the "abomination of desolation" prophecy from Daniel 11. That must occur prior to our gathering to Christ Jesus.

 

[lecoop]

The temple of Rev.11:1-2 is not in heaven.

The temple of Rev.11:19 IS in heaven, so why is that given as the last verse of Rev.11? It's so as to compare God's Temple with the false temple at the start of the chapter.

Rev 11:1-2
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
(KJV)

John was given a "reed like unto a rod" to measure that first Rev.11 temple. Why was the reed "like unto a rod"? That means the reed was not simply for the purpose of measure; not some simple measuring stick. That word 'rod' can mean a staff for walking or punishing, or a royal sceptre, even a rod of iron like what Christ is to rule with when He comes. Verse 2 connects that time with the time of the beast's rule of 42 months, so that rod isn't of Christ. John was shown a group that worship within that temple, so there's worship going on, but what kind, and who to? During that 42 months it sure isn't our Lord Jesus being worshipped there, so who will it be?

Those verses are referring to worship inside a temple in Jerusalem, even referring to an altar and an outer court pattern like the previous Jerusalem temples. It's then important to next consider what would have be re-established in Jerusalem for that to happen. There's been loads of signs since the last decade of the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem intent to build another temple, and start up Old Covenant style worship there again. Some Islamic clerics are now saying a Jewish temple would be OK as long as it doesn't conflict with the Dome of the Rock that stands upon the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

Later in the Rev.11 chapter we're told God's two witnesses will appear there and give a Testimony for 1260 days, roughly the same time period as the 42 months. Then the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit will kill them. So WHAT beast is that? Let's see, so far we've got a temple, an altar, and a group that is worshipping therein, and Gentiles treading the outer court, which to tread the court is also an expression God used in Isaiah 1 to represent those of His people who come to Him in falseness and are not accepted. Along with that Message in Isaiah 1, God tells them to bring no more vain oblations and sacrifices to Him, that He's tired of all that. Yet that's exactly what the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem intend to offer Him in our near future.

That's the temple Apostle Paul referred to in 2 Thess.2:3-4 about the "man of sin" coming to sit in it, to show himself that he is God. That's also where our Lord Jesus was ultimately pointing to with the "abomination of desolation" prophecy from Daniel 11. That must occur prior to our gathering to Christ Jesus.

We must keep in mind that these worshippers are in the temple worshipping God, BEFORE the abomination. They don't know what is about to happen. If anyone has seen Jews praying at the wailing wall, it is obvious they are very serious in their prayers. I suspect they are very serious here in their worship to God, also. But, we know that at this time, those that worship God, must worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. They are trying to worship Him as under the old covenant. So no matter how sincere they are, they will have fallen short. They do not have God's spirit within - they do not have a regenerated Spirit, and in truth, no matter how sincere they are - they are NOT children of God. They cannot worship God in Spirit. They have only flesh to worship Him.

It is obvious that one cannot "measure" (with a tape measure) the number of people worshipping, or the quality of their worship - so I agree with Veteran that there is more going on here than getting physical measurements.

There can be NO doubt that this is a new temple on the temple mount in Jerusalem, not in existence now. But there is MUCH work going on in Israel now to build this temple. They have the priests found, they have created the priestly robes, they have build a new Arc of the Covenant. It seems all they need is another war, where they can get TOTAL control over the temple mount.

We know that the antichrist, Paul's "man of sin," will enter into the most holy place of that temple, and declare that he is God. Therefore, he, the antichrist, MUST get Himself into Jerusalem some time before the exact midpoint of the week. Will he come alone? No, I am sure he will come with armies. I am convinced they will be MUSLIM armies. They will be allowed (by the antichrist) to go into the outer courtyard of the temple, but they will not be allowed in. The antichrist wants that priviledge all to himself. I believe Rev. 11:1-2 are telling us that the antichrist and his armies have JUST arrived in Jerusalem, perhaps a week before the exact midpoint. They will be there for the last half of the week, or 42 months. They could not have arrived earlier, or already BEEN there, else the trampling would have been for LONGER than 42 months. So John is telling us that the antichrist and his armies have just arrived in Jerusalem, just in time for the abomination.

Coop

 

[Shilohsfoal]

No, I am sure he will come with armies. I am convinced they will be MUSLIM armies. They will be allowed (by the antichrist) to go into the outer courtyard of the temple, but they will not be allowed in. The antichrist wants that priviledge all to himself. I believe Rev. 11:1-2 are telling us that the antichrist and his armies have JUST arrived in Jerusalem, perhaps a week before the exact midpoint. They will be there for the last half of the week, or 42 months. They could not have arrived earlier, or already BEEN there, else the trampling would have been for LONGER than 42 months. So John is telling us that the antichrist and his armies have just arrived in Jerusalem, just in time for the abomination.

Coop

How did you convince yourself that this army is muslim?
I happen to know that it is the president of the United States of America that will send this army from the north for the purpose of peace.They shall say peace,then sudden destruction shall come upon them.

The mark of the beast is for Israel's national security.
The false prophet wants to save Israel,not destroy it.

 

[lecoop]

No, I am sure he will come with armies. I am convinced they will be MUSLIM armies. They will be allowed (by the antichrist) to go into the outer courtyard of the temple, but they will not be allowed in. The antichrist wants that priviledge all to himself. I believe Rev. 11:1-2 are telling us that the antichrist and his armies have JUST arrived in Jerusalem, perhaps a week before the exact midpoint. They will be there for the last half of the week, or 42 months. They could not have arrived earlier, or already BEEN there, else the trampling would have been for LONGER than 42 months. So John is telling us that the antichrist and his armies have just arrived in Jerusalem, just in time for the abomination.

Coop

How did you convince yourself that this army is muslim?
I happen to know that it is the president of the United States of America that will send this army from the north for the purpose of peace.They shall say peace,then sudden destruction shall come upon them.

The mark of the beast is for Israel's national security.
The false prophet wants to save Israel,not destroy it.

You MUST have an Everly Brothers album.

Look, SATAN is behind both the beast and the false prophet. His goal since the begining has been to DESTROY Israel, to the last human being.

Why Muslim armies? Go back and read of the Image of Daniel 2: who lives in those land areas today? They are all MUSLIMS. The beast will rise to power using Muslims.

Coop

 

[Shilohsfoal]

You MUST have an Everly Brothers album.

Look, SATAN is behind both the beast and the false prophet. His goal since the begining has been to DESTROY Israel, to the last human being.

Why Muslim armies? Go back and read of the Image of Daniel 2: who lives in those land areas today? They are all MUSLIMS. The beast will rise to power using Muslims.

Coop

Half of Daniel chapter 11 has happened before your own face and you didnt understand any of it as it happened.Yet you say you can see everything so clearly.
You say the jews is going to worship the king of the north who you say will send a muslim army to invade Israel.Common sence itself should tell you no jew would ever worship a muslim,nor would they worship anyone who supports thier enemies.You drink to much.

 

[lecoop]

You MUST have an Everly Brothers album.

Look, SATAN is behind both the beast and the false prophet. His goal since the begining has been to DESTROY Israel, to the last human being.

Why Muslim armies? Go back and read of the Image of Daniel 2: who lives in those land areas today? They are all MUSLIMS. The beast will rise to power using Muslims.

Coop

Half of Daniel chapter 11 has happened before your own face and you didnt understand any of it as it happened.Yet you say you can see everything so clearly.
You say the jews is going to worship the king of the north who you say will send a muslim army to invade Israel.Common sence itself should tell you no jew would ever worship a muslim,nor would they worship anyone who supports thier enemies.You drink to much.

You missed it again. Much of chapter 11 is between kings of the North and kings of the South. But these are MORE THAN ONE, and cover MUCH time. Antiochus Epiphanes is included on chapter 11. He was the "vile" king of the North, that came into power through flatteries. Here is why he is a type of the beast of Rev:

31. And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Finally in verse 35 we read: "even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed." Here is where Daniel changes from the days of Antiochus to the days of the beast of Rev.

Again in verse 40:

40And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him...

But, I suppose you have a totally different view of these things, different than what has been in commntary after commentary. Of course you are free to believe as you will. But I can assure you, in the mind of God, by the time Daniel gets to 12:1, he is at the MIDPOINT of the 70th week. I have never said that the Jews would be taken in by the false prophet. They are running for their life. I guess you forgot Rev 12:6?

It is the WORLD, all those whose names are not in the book of life, that will be deceived.

Coop

 

[veteran]

We must keep in mind that these worshippers are in the temple worshipping God, BEFORE the abomination. They don't know what is about to happen. If anyone has seen Jews praying at the wailing wall, it is obvious they are very serious in their prayers. I suspect they are very serious here in their worship to God, also. But, we know that at this time, those that worship God, must worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. They are trying to worship Him as under the old covenant. So no matter how sincere they are, they will have fallen short. They do not have God's spirit within - they do not have a regenerated Spirit, and in truth, no matter how sincere they are - they are NOT children of God. They cannot worship God in Spirit. They have only flesh to worship Him.

I'm not so sure. If you follow the blueprint of Antiochus in 170 B.C., which followed the Daniel 11 prophecy, he conquered Jerusalem first, then desolated the temple, and then started false worship. Daniel 11 points to a "league" being made after the "vile person" comes to power with a "small people" using flatteries. If it's the Old Covenant that he confirms for one week, that means the startup of sacrifices and Old Covenant style worship, i.e., temple worship. And in the midst of the one week all that ends as the abomination that maketh desolate is placed for worship instead.

I believe the "abomination of desolation" will follow the Babylon pattern of the king of Babylon Nebuchadnezzar, whose false prophets had him make a golden idol of himself for all to bow in worship to at the sound of the psalter. I believe that's the image of the beast (antichrist) per the end of Rev.13. The antichrist will be in place of that king of Babylon role, so he must be present when the abomination is setup in the temple. And that's to happen for the last half of the symbolic one week, which is the 42 months. Those orthodox Jews who worship there, along with the majority of the world, will agree to the abomination being placed and will bow to it, because they will think that 'king' truly is Messiah come. That's the only way they would agree to end sacrifices; something greater to worship appears, their supposed Messiah. That's the "vile person" of Dan.11 that will destroy many using peace, and craft will prosper in his hand. That's the antichrist (in place of Christ) who is coming to heal the deadly wound in Jerusalem, and sit in the temple to show himself as God.

 

[veteran]

Half of Daniel chapter 11 has happened before your own face and you didnt understand any of it as it happened.Yet you say you can see everything so clearly.
You say the jews is going to worship the king of the north who you say will send a muslim army to invade Israel.Common sence itself should tell you no jew would ever worship a muslim,nor would they worship anyone who supports thier enemies.You drink to much.

Try reading up on history of the Jews by the Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.). The Jews in Jerusalem fell to false worship many times. Jerusalem has been sieged by armies something like 27 times in its history. At one time, the name of the city was even changed to a pagan name. The Jews there fell to Baccus pagan worship at one time after Jerusalem was conquered by heathen armies.

The Daniel 11 chapter is a reoccuring prophecy, multitiple fulfillments. The way we know that is because of what Antiochus Epiphanes did in 170 B.C., yet our Lord Jesus still mentioned the "abomination of desolation" prophecy from Daniel around 200 years later, and to happen sometime future to then. He meant us to keep looking until the final blueprint is fulfilled and then ended with His second coming. Some like to argue that was fulfilled in 70 A.D., and even try to say Christ's second coming was then also, but even those have failed to understand how the "abomination of desolation" prophecy has multiple fulfillments, and the final one is yet to occur.

As for what the othrodox Jews who refuse Christ Jesus will worship, they are waiting for Messiah's coming still. So they will accept the next one coming that works supernatural works on earth in the sight of men as their Messiah. And that's the kind of working that "another beast" of Rev.13:11 forward is to work on earth. Not only are they looking for that manifestation of great signs and wonders and miracle working, so are the majority of Christians also looking for that with Christ's coming. And for the majority of the world to be willing to bow to that one, it means that "another beast" will be all things to all religions; they all will accept him as God having come. On top of all that, the endtime prophecy of that antichrist, when all the relevant Scriptures are put together, is pointing directly to Satan himself coming in person as antichrist.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

As for what the othrodox Jews who refuse Christ Jesus will worship, they are waiting for Messiah's coming still. So they will accept the next one coming that works supernatural works on earth in the sight of men as their Messiah. And that's the kind of working that "another beast" of Rev.13:11 forward is to work on earth.

There is nothing,and I mean nothing supernatural about anyone making fire come down from heaven in the sight of men.We are talking about an army here veteran.If you truly are a veteran ,then you should know what gentile army is best at making fire come out of heaven in the sight of the beast.

2000 years ago this may have seamed superatural but not anymore.The US army can make fire come down out of heaven anytime it wants to.

People just cant use common sense.The jews worship the ground they walk on and i mean litterally.The seven hills are seven mountains on which Jerusalem sits.That is what they worship .They worship Israel itself.I have proof that Israel is the first beast and that the second beast comes from the US.
Ive said several times already that the raiser of taxes is president now.Do you know who comes after the raiser of taxes according to scripture?

 

[lecoop]

We must keep in mind that these worshippers are in the temple worshipping God, BEFORE the abomination. They don't know what is about to happen. If anyone has seen Jews praying at the wailing wall, it is obvious they are very serious in their prayers. I suspect they are very serious here in their worship to God, also. But, we know that at this time, those that worship God, must worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. They are trying to worship Him as under the old covenant. So no matter how sincere they are, they will have fallen short. They do not have God's spirit within - they do not have a regenerated Spirit, and in truth, no matter how sincere they are - they are NOT children of God. They cannot worship God in Spirit. They have only flesh to worship Him.

I'm not so sure. If you follow the blueprint of Antiochus in 170 B.C., which followed the Daniel 11 prophecy, he conquered Jerusalem first, then desolated the temple, and then started false worship. Daniel 11 points to a "league" being made after the "vile person" comes to power with a "small people" using flatteries. If it's the Old Covenant that he confirms for one week, that means the startup of sacrifices and Old Covenant style worship, i.e., temple worship. And in the midst of the one week all that ends as the abomination that maketh desolate is placed for worship instead.

I believe the "abomination of desolation" will follow the Babylon pattern of the king of Babylon Nebuchadnezzar, whose false prophets had him make a golden idol of himself for all to bow in worship to at the sound of the psalter. I believe that's the image of the beast (antichrist) per the end of Rev.13. The antichrist will be in place of that king of Babylon role, so he must be present when the abomination is setup in the temple. And that's to happen for the last half of the symbolic one week, which is the 42 months. Those orthodox Jews who worship there, along with the majority of the world, will agree to the abomination being placed and will bow to it, because they will think that 'king' truly is Messiah come. That's the only way they would agree to end sacrifices; something greater to worship appears, their supposed Messiah. That's the "vile person" of Dan.11 that will destroy many using peace, and craft will prosper in his hand. That's the antichrist (in place of Christ) who is coming to heal the deadly wound in Jerusalem, and sit in the temple to show himself as God.

Veteran, I see a problem.

In Rev 13, we do NOT read:

1And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy, and I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

No, John did not write it like that. Why? Because the second beast comes along later - some time AFTER the abomination.

It is he, the second beast that causes the world to worship the first beast.
It is he that does great wonders, and makes fire come down.
It is he that deceives the world with his miracles. (ONLY while in sight of the first beast.)

IT is he that said:

saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
.
Therefore, I believe the image will not and cannot be there at the midpoint for the abomination. It will certainly come, but later. I think the abomination that people see, and flee from, is the man of sin declaring he is God. I suspect he will do this on live TV around the world!

However, I will not be dogmatic on this point.
Have I missed something?

Coop

 

[lecoop]

As for what the othrodox Jews who refuse Christ Jesus will worship, they are waiting for Messiah's coming still. So they will accept the next one coming that works supernatural works on earth in the sight of men as their Messiah. And that's the kind of working that "another beast" of Rev.13:11 forward is to work on earth.

There is nothing,and I mean nothing supernatural about anyone making fire come down from heaven in the sight of men.We are talking about an army here veteran.If you truly are a veteran ,then you should know what gentile army is best at making fire come out of heaven in the sight of the beast.

2000 years ago this may have seamed superatural but not anymore.The US army can make fire come down out of heaven anytime it wants to.

People just cant use common sense.The jews worship the ground they walk on and i mean litterally.The seven hills are seven mountains on which Jerusalem sits.That is what they worship .They worship Israel itself.I have proof that Israel is the first beast and that the second beast comes from the US.
Ive said several times already that the raiser of taxes is president now.Do you know who comes after the raiser of taxes according to scripture?

If one is a man, standing in front of men, and waves his arm, and fire comes down, THAT is a wonder.
That is what causes people to be deceived. Please, don't be deceived about John's intent here.

Coop

 

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The second beast in rev is said to make fire come down in the face of the beast.
As Ive said.This is the gentile army that is in Judea that makes fire come down out of heaven .This same beast is said to give people the mark of the beast.

Coop
If its a miracle to you that the army can send a missile and it explodes ,is it also a miracle that this same beast could mark someone with a mark?

As Ive stated.This is for Israel's national security.
This army is sent to Israel to be its savior and to deliver it from its enemies.
Its a peace keeping force for crying out loud.

All this can take place in your face and you wouldnt understand any of it.
The US can move its embassy to Jerusalem,and you still wouldnt understand it.


Oh ,and by the way.The scipture doesnt say the Son of perdition claims to be God.It says he shows himself that he is God.Two completly different things.