The beast

[freeway]

Oh I forgot, I am a pre trib. come Lord Jesus.. ;)

 

[JudaicChristian]

Oh I forgot, I am a pre trib. come Lord Jesus.. ;)

Christ return for the Elect is due to their tribulation.

 

[francisdesales]

Since you understand that part of scripture, how come you do not connect the Roman Church with the rest?[/size]

I have no idea why you feel the need to make the connection, except maybe you read one too many Jack Chick books... Or perhaps you were raised Catholic and you didn't appreciate a nun smacking your knuckles and so now you hold a life-long grudge...

Anyone familiar with 2nd century history knows the Emperor was not connected in any way to the Catholic Church. The "connection" is found only in the feeble minds of those who have already decided that Rome is the center of evil, even before reading the Scriptures and understanding them. What historian would connect the Roman Empire of 100 AD with the Roman Church of 100 AD???

Come on, get serious... Pursue the truth, not such ridiculous notions.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Since you understand that part of scripture, how come you do not connect the Roman Church with the rest?[/size]

I have no idea why you feel the need to make the connection, except maybe you read one too many Jack Chick books... Or perhaps you were raised Catholic and you didn't appreciate a nun smacking your knuckles and so now you hold a life-long grudge...

Anyone familiar with 2nd century history knows the Emperor was not connected in any way to the Catholic Church. The "connection" is found only in the feeble minds of those who have already decided that Rome is the center of evil, even before reading the Scriptures and understanding them. What historian would connect the Roman Empire of 100 AD with the Roman Church of 100 AD???

Come on, get serious... Pursue the truth, not such ridiculous notions.

The truth is that Emperor Constantine the Great was the Pagan high priest, who made himself head of the Christian Church. He remained the Pagan high priest until the day he died. He faked his baptism until he was on his death bed.

 

[francisdesales]

The truth is that Emperor Constantine the Great was the Pagan high priest, who made himself head of the Christian Church. He remained the Pagan high priest until the day he died.

You don't have a clue what the Pontificus Maximus was in ancient Rome, do you...

The Pontifex Maximus was the high priest of the Ancient Roman College of Pontiffs (Collegium Pontificum). This was the most important position in the ancient Roman religion, open only to patricians until 254 BC, when a plebeian first occupied this post. A distinctly religious office under the early Roman Republic, it gradually became politicized until, beginning with Augustus, it was subsumed into the Imperial office. Its last use with reference to the emperors is in inscriptions of Gratian

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/R ... tifex.html

EVERY EMPEROR was the "pagan high priest", in name alone. It was a political position. Thus, according to this silly logic, Caesar Augustus was actually the High Priest, not Jesus Christ... All emperors following Caesar Augustus was the High Priest, WELL BEFORE Constantine.

Pursue the truth, not urban legends...

He faked his baptism until he was on his death bed.

That's between God and Constantine. How does that have ANY bearing whatsoever on this subject???

 

[JudaicChristian]

The truth is that Emperor Constantine the Great was the Pagan high priest, who made himself head of the Christian Church. He remained the Pagan high priest until the day he died.

You don't have a clue what the Pontificus Maximus was in ancient Rome, do you...

The Pontifex Maximus was the high priest of the Ancient Roman College of Pontiffs (Collegium Pontificum). This was the most important position in the ancient Roman religion, open only to patricians until 254 BC, when a plebeian first occupied this post. A distinctly religious office under the early Roman Republic, it gradually became politicized until, beginning with Augustus, it was subsumed into the Imperial office. Its last use with reference to the emperors is in inscriptions of Gratian

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/R ... tifex.html

EVERY EMPEROR was the "pagan high priest", in name alone. It was a political position. Thus, according to this silly logic, Caesar Augustus was actually the High Priest, not Jesus Christ... All emperors following Caesar Augustus was the High Priest, WELL BEFORE Constantine.

Pursue the truth, not urban legends...

The Collegium Pontificum (College of Pontiffs) was the most important priesthood of ancient Rome. The foundation of this sacred college and the office of Pontifex Maximus is attributed to the second king of Rome, Numa Pompilius. It is safe to say that the collegium was tasked to act as advisers of the rex (king) in all matters of religion. The collegium was headed by the pontifex maximus and all the pontifices held their office for life. Prior to its institution, all religious and administrative functions and powers were naturally exercised by the king. The only title applied to the Pope that has a longer documented history is the word "pope" itself (in Greek, "??????"), which is found already in the time of Homer.

 

[francisdesales]

The Collegium Pontificum (College of Pontiffs) was the most important priesthood of ancient Rome. The foundation of this sacred college and the office of Pontifex Maximus is attributed to the second king of Rome, Numa Pompilius. It is safe to say that the collegium was tasked to act as advisers of the rex (king) in all matters of religion. The collegium was headed by the pontifex maximus and all the pontifices held their office for life. Prior to its institution, all religious and administrative functions and powers were naturally exercised by the king.

The Emperor did not delegate this authority. Not a single one of them. Again, your point is spurious, since it rests on some idea that Constantine was the leader of the Catholic Church. The connection is poorly laid out, since we have already established it was THE EMPEROR'S POWER - not Constantine's alone.

Thus, if we follow your logic to its conclusion, Emperor Augustus was the High Priest of Judaism, and Tiberius was the first High Priest of Christianity... The "logic" ends with condemning both Christianity and Judaism, since a pagan leader was in charge of them, and for hundreds of years!!! :crazy

You ready to toss the baby out with the bathwater in your feeble attempt to claim that Constantine "was in charge of" the Catholic Church, invented it, and formed its teachings???

The only title applied to the Pope that has a longer documented history is the word "pope" itself (in Greek, "??????"), which is found already in the time of Homer.

And the point is....????

 

[JudaicChristian]

The only title applied to the Pope that has a longer documented history is the word "pope" itself (in Greek, "??????"), which is found already in the time of Homer.

And the point is....????

The Pagan high priest was also called "Holy Father." The word Pontifex is sometimes explained as 'bridge builder', but is in fact related to the Etruscan word pont, 'road', and means something like "road builder". The pope still calls himself Pontifex Maximus. John 17:11
I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one. Now what man on earth do we know is called Holy Father?

 

[francisdesales]

The Pagan high priest was also called "Holy Father."

So? I fail to see the point of this.

pagans kneeled as they worshiped. They offered sacrifice. They prayed with hands raised. I could detail a number of things that pagans did. And we did/do the same thing. So did the Jews. So what. There is no connection unless you can PROVE that Catholics do "x" BECAUSE PAGANS do it. Otherwise, it is senseless to make such comments.

You are getting pretty desperate, I see...

 

[JudaicChristian]

The Pagan high priest was also called "Holy Father."

So? I fail to see the point of this.

pagans kneeled as they worshiped. They offered sacrifice. They prayed with hands raised. I could detail a number of things that pagans did. And we did/do the same thing. So did the Jews. So what. There is no connection unless you can PROVE that Catholics do "x" BECAUSE PAGANS do it. Otherwise, it is senseless to make such comments.

You are getting pretty desperate, I see...

You do not hear or see. OK. I guess that is why you believe as you do. Are there any protestant Christians here that understand what I am saying?

 

[francisdesales]

The Pagan high priest was also called "Holy Father."

So? I fail to see the point of this.

pagans kneeled as they worshiped. They offered sacrifice. They prayed with hands raised. I could detail a number of things that pagans did. And we did/do the same thing. So did the Jews. So what. There is no connection unless you can PROVE that Catholics do "x" BECAUSE PAGANS do it. Otherwise, it is senseless to make such comments.

You are getting pretty desperate, I see...

You do not hear or see. OK. I guess that is why you believe as you do. Are there any protestant Christians here that understand what I am saying?[/size]

I see and hear fine, thanks... I have previously posted that just because Christians (even non-Catholic ones) practice similar things that pagans practised does not make them pagans. If I breathe air, and pagans breathe air, does that make me pagan, too?

Really, your line of thought has no logic to it, that is why it is so easy to defeat and show it for what it is - a sad attempt to attack the Church of the Apostles.