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Bible Study The Bible is our sole authority?

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donadams

Only Jesus Christ: the way, the truth, the life!
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Then why does the Bible not say what constitutes the Bible, what is and what is not scripture!

How the Bible be our sole authority if we don’t know what the Bible is?

You’re insights are appreciated
 
How can it be said scripture is sole authority or the only source of truth or the rule of faith when scripture says we must hear the church Matt 18:17 the apostles are the light of the world Matt 5:14 we must hold the doctrine of the apostles acts 2:42 the church is the pillar and ground of truth 1 Tim 3:14?

Thanks

I don’t have a problem with faith or Christ or grace or scripture only the adding of the word “alone”!
 
Looks like your problem is accepting the 66 Books of the Holy Bible, as THE Word of Almighty God

This is your biggest problem!
 
If scripture is the sole authority should it not tell us what is and what is not scripture?

How can it be said scripture is sole authority or the only source of truth or the rule of faith when scripture says we must hear the church Matt 18:17 the apostles are the light of the world Matt 5:14 we must hold the doctrine of the apostles acts 2:42 the church is the pillar and ground of truth 1 Tim 3:14?
 
The church existed and exercised authority from Christ before the New Testament was written, and the church wrote it!

The apostles are the light of the world Matt 5:14
1 Tim 3:15 the church is the pillar of truth!
 
Everything that the Holy Bible Teaches, is ALONE The Inspired, Infallible Word of Almighty God

Can you name just ONE other "authority" that we have, that is the Infallible Word of God?

How can ANY human work be equal to The Word of God?

What you are quoting is from the Holy Bible, Which IS God's Word!

The Doctrines of the Apostles, are those that are in the 66 Books of the Holy Bible

To better understand your angle on this, can you say if you are Roman Catholic, or one of the Orthodox?
 
donadams said:
What about tradition?
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What "tradition"

the Holy Bible is clear, for example, that homosexuality is sinful and wrong.

Now, some church denominations are teaching that it is not wrong

What is right here, the Infallible Word of God, The Holy Bible, or the "traditions" of some churches?

The Holy Bible is clear, that Jesus Christ ALONE is our Redeemer. The Roman Catholic church makes Mary "co-redemptrix", which is BLASPHEMY!

etc
 
donadams said:
Then why does the Bible not say what constitutes the Bible, what is and what is not scripture!

How the Bible be our sole authority if we don’t know what the Bible is?

You’re insights are appreciated
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The Body of Believers, the Early Church, through an organic process of regular use of the various books of the NT as divine scripture, established the canon of the NT. The councils of Hippo Regius (393 AD) and Carthage (397 AD) merely formally-acknowledged what the Body of Believers had already settled upon as the canon of the NT. The western Church arrived at the 27 books of the NT earlier than the eastern Church, but by 508 AD, both western and eastern branches of the Church were agreed upon the 27 books being canonical.

The OT canon was established in much the same way as the NT, the Hebrew council of Jamnia (90 AD) formally acknowledging what the Jews had, through prolonged and constant use, already settled upon as the OT canon and had informally closed to additions by 200 BC.

How is the Bible now our sole authority for Christian belief and practice? Well, for me, it's a matter of respecting what I believe was a Spirit-guided process through which the Early Church settled upon the canon of the Bible. There were many letters the apostles wrote, but only a select few were received by the Early Church as authoritative scripture. I am content to follow their lead, accepting what they agreed was, through prolonged and common use of it as such, the divinely-inspired canon of the Bible. By 400 AD, this process had well-established the canon - and closed it to further additions.

donadams said:
How can it be said scripture is sole authority or the only source of truth or the rule of faith when scripture says we must hear the church Matt 18:17 the apostles are the light of the world Matt 5:14 we must hold the doctrine of the apostles acts 2:42 the church is the pillar and ground of truth 1 Tim 3:14?
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The NT canon was written by men acknowledged by the Early Church as apostles, not merely disciples, of Jesus Christ, who had been charged by him directly with the establishment and teaching of the Church, imbued by God with supernatural power in manifestation of their special spiritual authority. They had unique right as such to dictate the doctrines and practices of the Church, which the Church acknowledged by its general submission and conformity to their teaching and authority (though, there were rebellious false teachers almost from the start of the Church). There have been no other men since the time of these apostles who have had a legitimate claim to their authority, having never received from Christ in-person the charge to serve as his apostle to the Church, nor performed the same miraculous, authority-establishing feats with the regularity, and to the degree, of the first apostles, nor having the general acknowledgment of the Church universal as such, as did the first apostles.

Since there have not been any other apostles legitimately issuing truth from God to the Church, and since the canon of Scripture has long been closed, I rely on the Bible as it is as the Final Word from God on all Christian belief and practice - just as the Early Church had settled into doing within the first 300 years of its existence.

Is the Bible the only source of Truth? On spiritual matters, yes. But there are regions of Truth about which the Bible has little to say. We find nothing about algebra, or chemistry, or medicine, or space-flight engineering in the Bible. There is plenty of truth in these fields of knowledge, however.

Matthew 18:17 (NASB)
17 "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

At the time Christ spoke these words, there was no Roman Catholic Church, no pontiff, or archbishops, or marriage-abstinent clergy, no papal bulls, or indulgences, or Inquisitors. The "Church" was the common community of believers, not the ugly, institutionalized, power-mongering monstrosity that is the Roman Catholic Church of today (and history).

Matthew 5:14 (NASB)
14 "You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden;

As all disciples of Christ are, the apostles were "the light of the world," yes, but they are long gone, leaving only the canon of the NT behind. There have been no other apostles of their sort since they died off - not even if they are wearing garish robes and a big, silly hat.

1 Timothy 3:13-15 (NASB)
13 For those who have served well as deacons obtain for themselves a high standing and great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus.
14 I am writing these things to you, hoping to come to you before long;
15 but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth.

The Church is the "pillar and support of the truth," which is God's Truth given to us in His word, the Bible. The Church, Paul wrote here, supports (or upholds) the truth; it doesn't produce God's truth.
 
SolaScriptura said:
The Holy Bible is clear, that Jesus Christ ALONE is our Redeemer. The Roman Catholic church makes Mary "co-redemptrix", which is BLASPHEMY!
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Can you show me an official dogmatic statement of the Catholic Church that defines that Mary is a co-redemtrix?
 
SolaScriptura said:
Everything that the Holy Bible Teaches, is ALONE The Inspired, Infallible Word of Almighty God
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That is your personal opinion.

Where does the Holy Bible state that?
SolaScriptura said:
How can ANY human work be equal to The Word of God?
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You are assuming that the Holy Bible is the sole source of the word of God.
You are assuming what you have not proved.

SolaScriptura said:
What you are quoting is from the Holy Bible, Which IS God's Word!
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Yes, but can you prove it is the the sole source of the word of God.
SolaScriptura said:
The Doctrines of the Apostles, are those that are in the 66 Books of the Holy Bible
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A personal opinion
 
Tenchi said:
The Body of Believers, the Early Church, through an organic process of regular use of the various books of the NT as divine scripture, established the canon of the NT. The councils of Hippo Regius (393 AD) and Carthage (397 AD) merely formally-acknowledged what the Body of Believers had already settled upon as the canon of the NT. The western Church arrived at the 27 books of the NT earlier than the eastern Church, but by 508 AD, both western and eastern branches of the Church were agreed upon the 27 books being canonical.
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There was much dispute as to which NT writing were canonical until it was finally settled at the end of the 4th century.
Tenchi said:
The OT canon was established in much the same way as the NT, the Hebrew council of Jamnia (90 AD) formally acknowledging what the Jews had, through prolonged and constant use, already settled upon as the OT canon and had informally closed to additions by 200 BC.
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The so-called Council of Jamnia had no authority to settle what the OT was for Jews, even less for Christians.

See https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/the-council-that-wasnt
 
SolaScriptura said:
Everything that the Holy Bible Teaches, is ALONE The Inspired, Infallible Word of Almighty God

Can you name just ONE other "authority" that we have, that is the Infallible Word of God?

How can ANY human work be equal to The Word of God?

What you are quoting is from the Holy Bible, Which IS God's Word!

The Doctrines of the Apostles, are those that are in the 66 Books of the Holy Bible

To better understand your angle on this, can you say if you are Roman Catholic, or one of the Orthodox?
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I’m not opposing scripture or the word of God, my question first is how do we know what is scripture?
Is the inspired word of God limited to scripture?

Yes Jesus Christ and His church!
Jesus is the way the truth and the life! Jn 14:6 the church is the pillar of truth!
Christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32
Must hear the church Matt 18:17
Lk 10:16
Acts 2:42
 
Mungo said:
That is your personal opinion.

Where does the Holy Bible state that?

You are assuming that the Holy Bible is the sole source of the word of God.
You are assuming what you have not proved.



Yes, but can you prove it is the the sole source of the word of God.


A personal opinion
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How many Books do you accept for the New Testament?
 
donadams said:
I’m not opposing scripture or the word of God, my question first is how do we know what is scripture?
Is the inspired word of God limited to scripture?

Yes Jesus Christ and His church!
Jesus is the way the truth and the life! Jn 14:6 the church is the pillar of truth!
Christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32
Must hear the church Matt 18:17
Lk 10:16
Acts 2:42
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Are you Roman Catholic or Orthodox, like Eastern, etc?

Simple yes or no
 
Mungo said:
There was much dispute as to which NT writing were canonical until it was finally settled at the end of the 4th century.

The so-called Council of Jamnia had no authority to settle what the OT was for Jews, even less for Christians.

See https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/the-council-that-wasnt
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Show ONE Jewish Bible or Rabbi who ever accepted ANY of the extra books of the Old Testament, as Inspired by God the Holy Spirit?

Philo and Josephus, and other Jewish authorities in the 1st century AD, when Jesus was on earth, are very clear, that there are only 22/24 Books of the OT, which are the same as the Protestant Canon of 39, just differently arranged.
 
Mungo said:
That is your personal opinion.

Where does the Holy Bible state that?

You are assuming that the Holy Bible is the sole source of the word of God.
You are assuming what you have not proved.



Yes, but can you prove it is the the sole source of the word of God.


A personal opinion
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so is the stuff spouted by the Roman Catholic Church, PERSONAL OPINIONS!!!, like mine and yours, and have ZERO authority!
 
SolaScriptura said:
What "tradition"

the Holy Bible is clear, for example, that homosexuality is sinful and wrong.

Now, some church denominations are teaching that it is not wrong

What is right here, the Infallible Word of God, The Holy Bible, or the "traditions" of some churches?

The Holy Bible is clear, that Jesus Christ ALONE is our Redeemer. The Roman Catholic church makes Mary "co-redemptrix", which is BLASPHEMY!

etc
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We must make a distinction between the one true church found by Christ on Peter and the apostles and the authority he established in them and all other sects which are the tradition of men.

Christ and his church are one. Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

The scripture says many of the same things of the apostles (the church) as Christ!

Light of the world: Jn 8:12 / Matt 5:14
Hear: Matt 17:5 / Matt 18:17
Authority: Matt 28:17 / Jn 20:21
Reconciliation: 2 cor 5:19 / 2 cor 5:18
Forgive sins: Lk 5:20 / Jn 20:23

Truth: Jn 14:6 / 1 Tim 3:15

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!

Yes there are still apostles / bishops successors until Christ returns Matt 28:19-20
 
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