Bible Study The Bible is our sole authority?

[donadams]

What "tradition"

the Holy Bible is clear, for example, that homosexuality is sinful and wrong.

Now, some church denominations are teaching that it is not wrong

What is right here, the Infallible Word of God, The Holy Bible, or the "traditions" of some churches?

The Holy Bible is clear, that Jesus Christ ALONE is our Redeemer. The Roman Catholic church makes Mary "co-redemptrix", which is BLASPHEMY!

etc

I would love to discuss mary but please go to the Catholic forum Mary and the saints forum I will respond to Mary as co-redemptive in my thread “a good tree”
Please

 

[SolaScriptura]

We must make a distinction between the one true church found by Christ on Peter and the apostles and the authority he established in them and all other sects which are the tradition of men.

Christ and his church are one. Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

The scripture says many of the same things of the apostles (the church) as Christ!

Light of the world: Jn 8:12 / Matt 5:14
Hear: Matt 17:5 / Matt 18:17
Authority: Matt 28:17 / Jn 20:21
Reconciliation: 2 cor 5:19 / 2 cor 5:18
Forgive sins: Lk 5:20 / Jn 20:23

Truth: Jn 14:6 / 1 Tim 3:15

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!

Yes there are still apostles / bishops successors until Christ returns Matt 28:19-20

so you reject the 24 Books of the closed Jewish Canon, and the 27 Books of the New Testament?

 

[SolaScriptura]

I would love to discuss mary but please go to the Catholic forum Mary and the saints forum I will respond to Mary as co-redemptive in my thread “a good tree”
Please

so you are Roman Catholic?

That explains MUCH!

The RCC has problems with accepting the Old Testament that Jesus Christ, the Apostles, and Writers of the New Testament used!

 

[SolaScriptura]

That is your personal opinion.

Where does the Holy Bible state that?

You are assuming that the Holy Bible is the sole source of the word of God.
You are assuming what you have not proved.



Yes, but can you prove it is the the sole source of the word of God.


A personal opinion

check all my posts here, and then prove that I am wrong, https://christianforums.net/threads...tory-until-the-protestants-invented-it.93873/

 

[SolaScriptura]

We must make a distinction between the one true church found by Christ on Peter and the apostles and the authority he established in them and all other sects which are the tradition of men.

Christ and his church are one. Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

The scripture says many of the same things of the apostles (the church) as Christ!

Light of the world: Jn 8:12 / Matt 5:14
Hear: Matt 17:5 / Matt 18:17
Authority: Matt 28:17 / Jn 20:21
Reconciliation: 2 cor 5:19 / 2 cor 5:18
Forgive sins: Lk 5:20 / Jn 20:23

Truth: Jn 14:6 / 1 Tim 3:15

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!

Yes there are still apostles / bishops successors until Christ returns Matt 28:19-20

check all my posts here, and then prove that I am wrong, https://christianforums.net/threads...tory-until-the-protestants-invented-it.93873/

 

[Mungo]

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That is not an official dogmatic statement of the Catholic Church that defines that Mary is a co-redemtrix?

Moreover if you had bothered to actually read the link you would see that some people are asking the Pope to make that definition. If they are asking then it hasn't happened. So your claim is false.

 

[donadams]

The Body of Believers, the Early Church, through an organic process of regular use of the various books of the NT as divine scripture, established the canon of the NT. The councils of Hippo Regius (393 AD) and Carthage (397 AD) merely formally-acknowledged what the Body of Believers had already settled upon as the canon of the NT. The western Church arrived at the 27 books of the NT earlier than the eastern Church, but by 508 AD, both western and eastern branches of the Church were agreed upon the 27 books being canonical.

The OT canon was established in much the same way as the NT, the Hebrew council of Jamnia (90 AD) formally acknowledging what the Jews had, through prolonged and constant use, already settled upon as the OT canon and had informally closed to additions by 200 BC.

How is the Bible now our sole authority for Christian belief and practice? Well, for me, it's a matter of respecting what I believe was a Spirit-guided process through which the Early Church settled upon the canon of the Bible. There were many letters the apostles wrote, but only a select few were received by the Early Church as authoritative scripture. I am content to follow their lead, accepting what they agreed was, through prolonged and common use of it as such, the divinely-inspired canon of the Bible. By 400 AD, this process had well-established the canon - and closed it to further additions.



The NT canon was written by men acknowledged by the Early Church as apostles, not merely disciples, of Jesus Christ, who had been charged by him directly with the establishment and teaching of the Church, imbued by God with supernatural power in manifestation of their special spiritual authority. They had unique right as such to dictate the doctrines and practices of the Church, which the Church acknowledged by its general submission and conformity to their teaching and authority (though, there were rebellious false teachers almost from the start of the Church). There have been no other men since the time of these apostles who have had a legitimate claim to their authority, having never received from Christ in-person the charge to serve as his apostle to the Church, nor performed the same miraculous, authority-establishing feats with the regularity, and to the degree, of the first apostles, nor having the general acknowledgment of the Church universal as such, as did the first apostles.

Since there have not been any other apostles legitimately issuing truth from God to the Church, and since the canon of Scripture has long been closed, I rely on the Bible as it is as the Final Word from God on all Christian belief and practice - just as the Early Church had settled into doing within the first 300 years of its existence.

Is the Bible the only source of Truth? On spiritual matters, yes. But there are regions of Truth about which the Bible has little to say. We find nothing about algebra, or chemistry, or medicine, or space-flight engineering in the Bible. There is plenty of truth in these fields of knowledge, however.

Matthew 18:17 (NASB)
17 "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

At the time Christ spoke these words, there was no Roman Catholic Church, no pontiff, or archbishops, or marriage-abstinent clergy, no papal bulls, or indulgences, or Inquisitors. The "Church" was the common community of believers, not the ugly, institutionalized, power-mongering monstrosity that is the Roman Catholic Church of today (and history).

Matthew 5:14 (NASB)
14 "You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden;

As all disciples of Christ are, the apostles were "the light of the world," yes, but they are long gone, leaving only the canon of the NT behind. There have been no other apostles of their sort since they died off - not even if they are wearing garish robes and a big, silly hat.

1 Timothy 3:13-15 (NASB)
13 For those who have served well as deacons obtain for themselves a high standing and great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus.
14 I am writing these things to you, hoping to come to you before long;
15 but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth.

The Church is the "pillar and support of the truth," which is God's Truth given to us in His word, the Bible. The Church, Paul wrote here, supports (or upholds) the truth; it doesn't produce God's truth.

Thanks much that’s took some time
Matt 28:19-20 the apostles received authority from christ to teach and sanctify by the sacraments and Christ said to them, I am with you till the end
So the apostles remain till Christ returns apostolic succession acts 1:15-26 acts 1:8 my witnesses to the ends of the earth

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15

The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42
1 Tim 3:15

 

[Mungo]

How many Books do you accept for the New Testament?

Try answering my questions first.
You are just evading them.

 

[Mungo]

Show ONE Jewish Bible or Rabbi who ever accepted ANY of the extra books of the Old Testament, as Inspired by God the Holy Spirit?

Philo and Josephus, and other Jewish authorities in the 1st century AD, when Jesus was on earth, are very clear, that there are only 22/24 Books of the OT, which are the same as the Protestant Canon of 39, just differently arranged.

Untrue.
Try reading the link I gave you.

The so called apocryphal books were part of the Septuagint which was widely used by Jews outside Israel.
They were accepted by the Church before the "Council of Jamnia"

 

[Mungo]

so is the stuff spouted by the Roman Catholic Church, PERSONAL OPINIONS!!!, like mine and yours, and have ZERO authority!

No, the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus and has his authority.
But least you admit you have no authority.

 

[donadams]

So is the inspired word of God limited to the 66 books of the Bible?

 

[Mungo]

check all my posts here, and then prove that I am wrong, https://christianforums.net/threads...tory-until-the-protestants-invented-it.93873/

You are still not answering my questions.
You claimed

Everything that the Holy Bible Teaches, is ALONE The Inspired, Infallible Word of Almighty God

I asked you "Where does the Holy Bible state that?"
You haven't answered because the Bible does not state that.

You still cannot prove that the Holy Bible is the sole source of the word of God.

 

[donadams]

Are you Roman Catholic or Orthodox, like Eastern, etc?

Simple yes or no

Roman Catholic and you?

 

[donadams]

so you reject the 24 Books of the closed Jewish Canon, and the 27 Books of the New Testament?

There is no new public revelation if that’s what you’re referring too.

 

[donadams]

so you are Roman Catholic?

That explains MUCH!

The RCC has problems with accepting the Old Testament that Jesus Christ, the Apostles, and Writers of the New Testament used!

How can you know what they used, the disagreement as I understand it was the Jews in Alexandria accepted the Other books and those in Jerusalem did not cos they said there were no Hebrew manuscripts for them, but they found Hebrew manuscripts at the Dead Sea scrolls

 

[Free]

Then why does the Bible not say what constitutes the Bible, what is and what is not scripture!

How the Bible be our sole authority if we don’t know what the Bible is?

You’re insights are appreciated

It does tell us what Scripture is. More than once we are told the OT is Scripture. And, in one of those instances, it is strongly implied that Paul’s writings are Scripture:

2Pe 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
2Pe 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. (ESV)

From that, we can infer that the writings of all the Apostles are Scripture. That’s just to start with.

 

[Mungo]

It does tell us what Scripture is. More than once we are told the OT is Scripture. And, in one of those instances, it is strongly implied that Paul’s writings are Scripture:

2Pe 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
2Pe 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. (ESV)

From that, we can infer that the writings of all the Apostles are Scripture. That’s just to start with.

A few problems with that.
1. We are in dispute as to which writings the OT consists of.
2. We don't know that we have all of Paul's writings. There may be others.
3. 2Peter was disputed until the late 4th century so how did earlier people know that Paul's letters were scripture if they did not accept 2Peter as canonical?
4. Inferring that all apostolic writing was scripture just because of a comment in a disputed book is problematic.
5. What about non-apostolic writings (e.g. Luke and Hebrews)?

Fact is there is no list of which writings are scriptural in the books we accept. So who had authority to make a decision as to what is canonical?

 

[donadams]

check all my posts here, and then prove that I am wrong, https://christianforums.net/threads...tory-until-the-protestants-invented-it.93873/

I don’t say you’re wrong just seeking understanding

 

[donadams]

Lets eliminate strife and confusion and come to a biblical understanding? Scripture says be if “one mind one heart” Rom 12:16rom 15:16 2 cor 13:11 Phil 1:27
Lets lose the us verses them mentality and Hopefully help each other find that biblical understanding!
My peace I give thee!

I hope to gain from the wisdom and insight of everyone here

 

[donadams]

You are still not answering my questions.
You claimed

I asked you "Where does the Holy Bible state that?"
You haven't answered because the Bible does not state that.

You still cannot prove that the Holy Bible is the sole source of the word of God.

I agree God called abram Noah lot Moses the prophets without scripture Peter and JTB received revelation Matt 16:17 Lk 3:2 and the apostles were taught by Christ in person!
Is what the apostles taught the truth or just what they wrote
Many apostles wrote nothing at all?