The Bible Says People Love The Praise Of Men More Than The Praise Of God = John 12;42-42

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The Bible Says People Love The Praise Of Men More Than The Praise Of God = John 12;42-42



John 12;42-42

Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on Him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.


Psalm 5:9

For there is no faithfulness in their mouth; their inward part is very wickedness; their throat is an open sepulchre; they flatter with their tongue.


Psalm 12:2

They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.


Psalm 36:1-3

The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes. For he flattereth himself in his own eyes, until his iniquity be found to be hateful. The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit: he hath left off to be wise, and to do good.


Proverbs 26:28

A lying tongue hateth those that are afflicted by it; and a flattering mouth worketh ruin.


Psalm 49:6-8

They that trust in their wealth, and boast themselves in the multitude of their riches; None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever:


Psalm 52:1-7

Why boastest thou thyself in mischief, O mighty man? The goodness of God endureth continually. The tongue deviseth mischiefs; like a sharp razor, working deceitfully. Thou lovest evil more than good; and lying rather than to speak righteousness. Selah. Thou lovest all devouring words, O thou deceitful tongue. God shall likewise destroy thee for ever, He shall take thee away, and pluck thee out of thy dwelling place, and root thee out of the land of the living. Selah. The righteous also shall see, and fear, and shall laugh at him: Lo, this is the man that made not God his strength; but trusted in the abundance of his riches, and strengthened himself in his wickedness.


Proverbs 11:4

Riches profit not in the day of wrath: but righteousness delivereth from death.


Isaiah 29:13-16

Wherefore the LORD said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid. Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? And who knoweth us? Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: For shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? Or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?


AMEN

 

[Dorothy Mae]

The Bible Says People Love The Praise Of Men More Than The Praise Of God = John 12;42-42



John 12;42-42

Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on Him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.


Psalm 5:9

For there is no faithfulness in their mouth; their inward part is very wickedness; their throat is an open sepulchre; they flatter with their tongue.


Psalm 12:2

They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.


Psalm 36:1-3

The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes. For he flattereth himself in his own eyes, until his iniquity be found to be hateful. The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit: he hath left off to be wise, and to do good.


Proverbs 26:28

A lying tongue hateth those that are afflicted by it; and a flattering mouth worketh ruin.


Psalm 49:6-8

They that trust in their wealth, and boast themselves in the multitude of their riches; None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever:


Psalm 52:1-7

Why boastest thou thyself in mischief, O mighty man? The goodness of God endureth continually. The tongue deviseth mischiefs; like a sharp razor, working deceitfully. Thou lovest evil more than good; and lying rather than to speak righteousness. Selah. Thou lovest all devouring words, O thou deceitful tongue. God shall likewise destroy thee for ever, He shall take thee away, and pluck thee out of thy dwelling place, and root thee out of the land of the living. Selah. The righteous also shall see, and fear, and shall laugh at him: Lo, this is the man that made not God his strength; but trusted in the abundance of his riches, and strengthened himself in his wickedness.


Proverbs 11:4

Riches profit not in the day of wrath: but righteousness delivereth from death.


Isaiah 29:13-16

Wherefore the LORD said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid. Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? And who knoweth us? Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: For shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? Or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?


AMEN

I see this more commonly in the music leaders than others. It’s become routine for music leaders in a service to ensure that they are receiving the full attention of the people the whole time. If there are spotlights, they stand dead center in them. They sing loud and long into microphones so all hear their golden tones above others so they’re admired. They care more about them getting the praise.

 

[JasonLickliter]

I see this more commonly in the music leaders than others. It’s become routine for music leaders in a service to ensure that they are receiving the full attention of the people the whole time. If there are spotlights, they stand dead center in them. They sing loud and long into microphones so all hear their golden tones above others so they’re admired. They care more about them getting the praise.

Im thinking I agree with this. Lots of churches I been in have very long (maybe a hour) of music and praise and worship. Then only like 20 mins of bible preaching and little teaching of the word.

I dont see nothing wrong with the music and praise and worship but its turning into the main focus of chuch. Also I have been in some churches where you didnt even need a bible. They never opened one. It was just music and testimonies.

I go to chuch to learn. I dont know it all so if I can even find a chuch that opens with a few hymns and study for even 2 hours then I would come back over and over again.

 

[Fastfredy0]

I'm not sure God ever "praises" people.

Praise​

1. Expression of approval, commendation, or admiration.
2. The extolling or exaltation of a deity, ruler, or hero.
3. A reason for praise; merit.

Augustine: “But I commend not the works of my hands, for I fear that when thou examinest them thou wilt find more faults than merits. This only I say and desire, despise not the works of thy hands. See in me thy work, not mine. If thou sees mine, thou condemnest; if thou sees thine own, thou crownest. Whatever good works I have are of thee".

 

[JasonLickliter]

I'm not sure God ever "praises" people.

Praise​

1. Expression of approval, commendation, or admiration.
2. The extolling or exaltation of a deity, ruler, or hero.
3. A reason for praise; merit.

Augustine: “But I commend not the works of my hands, for I fear that when thou examinest them thou wilt find more faults than merits. This only I say and desire, despise not the works of thy hands. See in me thy work, not mine. If thou sees mine, thou condemnest; if thou sees thine own, thou crownest. Whatever good works I have are of thee".

You have a good point.

 

[JasonLickliter]

I'm not sure God ever "praises" people.

Praise​

1. Expression of approval, commendation, or admiration.
2. The extolling or exaltation of a deity, ruler, or hero.
3. A reason for praise; merit.

Augustine: “But I commend not the works of my hands, for I fear that when thou examinest them thou wilt find more faults than merits. This only I say and desire, despise not the works of thy hands. See in me thy work, not mine. If thou sees mine, thou condemnest; if thou sees thine own, thou crownest. Whatever good works I have are of thee".

Iam in no way have ever done a study or heard of god praising people. There seems to be some idea on the internet that yes god dose praise us.

I did a copy paste here on this. Would you agree or disagree of these teaching?

So, the final question is, Will we, because of our progressive and climactic glorification, receive praise from the Lord? And the biblical answer, which our friend is stumbling over, is yes.

Matthew 25:21: “His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’” Faithfulness in this life is acknowledged by the Lord of heaven and commended.

First Corinthians 4:5: “Do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.” Now, that’s translated commendation, and that’s fine; commendation is praise. But the word is epainos in Greek. That word is used three times in Ephesians 1.

• Ephesians 1:6: “to the praise of his glorious grace”
• Ephesians 1:12: “to the praise of his glory”
• Ephesians 1:14: “to the praise of his glory”

This same word that we use to describe what we will say to God, he says to us. In other words, epainos is a fitting response of strong approval for something glorious or beautiful.

There are numerous other places that teach this — like John 5:44; Romans 2:7; 1 Peter 1:7 — but let me quote just one more. Romans 2:29: “A Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise [a true Christian, a true Jew in the Messiah Jesus] is not from man but from God.”

 

[JasonLickliter]

I have heard of this. I didnt exactly see this as praise to people. I thought this was more along the lines of a reward for doing what your suppose to do?

Matthew 25:21: “His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’” Faithfulness in this life is acknowledged by the Lord of heaven and commended.

Ill have to dig into this more myself since you brought up the idea that god dosnt praise people. Usually I hear more of people praising god.

 

[Fastfredy0]

Luke 17:7-10

10 So you too, when you have done everything that was assigned and commanded you, say, ‘We are unworthy servants [undeserving of praise or a reward, for we have not gone beyond our obligation]; we have merely done what we ought to do.’” AMP

Matthew 25:21: “His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’” Faithfulness in this life is acknowledged by the Lord of heaven and commended.

Yeah, I thought of that one ... but it's a parable so I take it with a grain of salt.

First Corinthians 4:5: “Do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.” Now, that’s translated commendation, and that’s fine; commendation is praise. But the word is epainos in Greek. That word is used three times in Ephesians 1.

Ah, good point.

Romans 2:29: “A Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise [a true Christian, a true Jew in the Messiah Jesus] is not from man but from God.”

Another good point.

But then the question becomes: Are we being rewarded/praised/commendation for what we did or what the Spirit indwelling us caused us to do. I would pick the later (and could give verses), though I guess we could be praised for God's work where He is the efficient cause and we are merely the instrumental cause.

Interesting the Luke 17:10 seemingly contradicts your "praise verses" ....

.Anyway, interesting to contemplate

 

[JasonLickliter]

Luke 17:7-10

10 So you too, when you have done everything that was assigned and commanded you, say, ‘We are unworthy servants [undeserving of praise or a reward, for we have not gone beyond our obligation]; we have merely done what we ought to do.’” AMP


Yeah, I thought of that one ... but it's a parable so I take it with a grain of salt.


Ah, good point.


Another good point.

But then the question becomes: Are we being rewarded/praised/commendation for what we did or what the Spirit indwelling us caused us to do. I would pick the later (and could give verses), though I guess we could be praised for God's work where He is the efficient cause and we are merely the instrumental cause.

Interesting the Luke 17:10 seemingly contradicts your "praise verses" ....

.Anyway, interesting to contemplate

Honestly i will have to look into this more myself. Thanks for the comment!

 

[Fastfredy0]

Honestly i will have to look into this more myself. Thanks for the comment!

Yeah ... I'm perplexed .... I like the idea that we are praised for what God did using us. That would fit the contradiction I suppose. I'm not sure it could be "looked up"...yes, a commentary on any verse, but the seeming contradiction... might be hard to find a human answer. Let me know ... I'm too lazy to dig on this one.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I'm not sure God ever "praises" people.

Praise​

1. Expression of approval, commendation, or admiration.
2. The extolling or exaltation of a deity, ruler, or hero.
3. A reason for praise; merit.

Augustine: “But I commend not the works of my hands, for I fear that when thou examinest them thou wilt find more faults than merits. This only I say and desire, despise not the works of thy hands. See in me thy work, not mine. If thou sees mine, thou condemnest; if thou sees thine own, thou crownest. Whatever good works I have are of thee".

When Jesus saw the faith of the centurion he marveled…Jesus praised that man’s faith and everyone who heard, “your faith has healed you.”

God certainly does praise people who He sees deserves it.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Luke 17:7-10

10 So you too, when you have done everything that was assigned and commanded you, say, ‘We are unworthy servants [undeserving of praise or a reward, for we have not gone beyond our obligation]; we have merely done what we ought to do.’” AMP


Yeah, I thought of that one ... but it's a parable so I take it with a grain of salt.


Ah, good point.


Another good point.

But then the question becomes: Are we being rewarded/praised/commendation for what we did or what the Spirit indwelling us caused us to do. I would pick the later (and could give verses), though I guess we could be praised for God's work where He is the efficient cause and we are merely the instrumental cause.

Interesting the Luke 17:10 seemingly contradicts your "praise verses" ....

.Anyway, interesting to contemplate

The praise I can think of in scripture was more like for what a man was and less what he did. Job was praised for who he was not what he did. If we think about the fruit of the Holy Spirit, it’s character qualities, not deeds done although those with those qualities DO deeds as well.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Yeah ... I'm perplexed .... I like the idea that we are praised for what God did using us. That would fit the contradiction I suppose. I'm not sure it could be "looked up"...yes, a commentary on any verse, but the seeming contradiction... might be hard to find a human answer. Let me know ... I'm too lazy to dig on this one.

It makes no sense to me for God to praise us for what He did through us. Might as well praise the man in the mirror or it’s like a puppeteer praising the puppet. Clearly He praises us for choices WE made.

 

[JasonLickliter]

Yeah ... I'm perplexed .... I like the idea that we are praised for what God did using us. That would fit the contradiction I suppose. I'm not sure it could be "looked up"...yes, a commentary on any verse, but the seeming contradiction... might be hard to find a human answer. Let me know ... I'm too lazy to dig on this one.

well last time I checked we should know the bible dosnt contradict its self. So my best guess at the moment Luke 17:10 dosnt do this. When we can find lots of verses that supports the idea that god dose praise people but we find 1 thing that may read it dosnt, usually we have to look into the context or maybe a broader context.

Yeah i dont have much of an answer here but im thinking luke 17:10 even though it appears to read a certain way maybe thats not what its saying.

Really none of us are worthy of god praise but he dose give it anyway. Let me look around and dig into myself and im sure i can dig up some scripture supporting this. Kinda busy today but ill make so time for this later on.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

well last time I checked we should know the bible dosnt contradict its self. So my best guess at the moment Luke 17:10 dosnt do this. When we can find lots of verses that supports the idea that god dose praise people but we find 1 thing that may read it dosnt, usually we have to look into the context or maybe a broader context.

Yeah i dont have much of an answer here but im thinking luke 17:10 even though it appears to read a certain way maybe thats not what its saying.

Really none of us are worthy of god praise but he dose give it anyway. Let me look around and dig into myself and im sure i can dig up some scripture supporting this. Kinda busy today but ill make so time for this later on.

Actually, logically, if God praises ONE person, He praises people. You won’t find a verse that says He never praises people.

And I can assure you, when Jesus praised people, they indeed deserved it. He loves the truth too much to do anything less.

 

[hawkman]

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/is-it-god-centered-to-praise-people

From link .

If you think praising people is idolatrous, then fasten your seat-belt and put on your heresy crash helmet for this next assertion: God himself praises people. I can hear the objections: “What!? God praises people!? That’s totally upside down!” But God does indeed praise people.

The Lord affirms Noah as righteous in his generation (Genesis 7:1). He calls Solomon “very great” and “majestic” (1 Chronicles 29:25). Jesus commends the woman of great faith (Matthew 15:28), marvels at the faith of the centurion (Luke 7:9), affirms Nathaniel for not being a hypocrite (John 1:47), to name a few.

Not only has God praised people in the past, but He will in the future. There is something defective about the person who does not want God to praise him. Every individual who has ever existed should desire to hear God one day say, “Well done, good and faithful servant.”

 

[JasonLickliter]

Yeah ... I'm perplexed .... I like the idea that we are praised for what God did using us. That would fit the contradiction I suppose. I'm not sure it could be "looked up"...yes, a commentary on any verse, but the seeming contradiction... might be hard to find a human answer. Let me know ... I'm too lazy to dig on this one.

I think this clears up luke 17:10. From what I found this looks to me there talking about humbling yourself before god. so I dont think this has to do with god not praising us entirely. I think god dose praise us but dosnt want us to look at it with a negative or bad attitude.

When we start to feel like were christians doing all things to get gods praise or we feel like we do way more than others or feel holier than others this wont get you gods praise. We cant go above and beyond. Like how the jews felt about themself in old testament. Then jesus basically was saying they look good on the outside but are dead on the inside.


Anyway here is a bible study commentary I found and read and do agree with what there saying.

Luke 17:10 (KJV) - Forerunner Commentary

So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

www.bibletools.org

here is the luke 17:10 copy paste but read the link. It starts at 17:1 and I think the whole thing here is a good read.

Luke 17:10


The lowly attitude of the servant is seen clearly in the word translated "servant" in verse 7. It is the Greek word doulos meaning "bondservant." During Christ's time, such a servant-slave was under the complete authority of his master. We must take this lowly position if we are going to serve our Master well. Our service will always fall short of the suffering and sacrifice Jesus received while in the flesh on earth. Therefore, there is no such thing as an excess of earned credit in us; even after serving our best at what the Master requires, we are still unprofitable servants in comparison to Christ. After performing our duty perfectly, we are still short of earned credit before God. We cannot build anything on our own effort. If we expect thanks and reward for fulfilling the minimum requirement of work, our thoughts are not on the duty but on what we may gain.

Christ expects every church member to do his duty in a mind and will unified with His. His emphasis on humility is a hard lesson for those who will not serve unless given recognition, honor, and position. In reality, much of the service we perform for Him is humbling and obscure by the world's standard. Christian works must be done in faith (James 2:20). The only way to obtain increased faith is for the working servant to manifest steadfast, persevering obedience, grounded in humility with the help of the Holy Spirit. Faith is produced as a fruit of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22). A humble, obedient, serving attitude goes a long way to increasing faith and practicing true forgiveness.

 

[Fastfredy0]

It makes no sense to me for God to praise us for what He did through us. Might as well praise the man in the mirror or it’s like a puppeteer praising the puppet. Clearly He praises us for choices WE made.

I see your point. On the other hand we sometimes praise children for seemingly nothing in order to build up their confidence.
Aside: We have different view points as to the 'cause' of things so no sense going there...

 

[Fastfredy0]

well last time I checked we should know the bible dosnt contradict its self. So my best guess at the moment Luke 17:10 dosnt do this.

Definitely true.

When we can find lots of verses that supports the idea that god dose praise people but we find 1 thing that may read it dosnt, usually we have to look into the context or maybe a broader context.

Agreed. You showed several good examples of God praising men.

Yeah i dont have much of an answer here but im thinking luke 17:10 even though it appears to read a certain way maybe thats not what its saying.

Agreed. Perhaps the context is different or the reasoning for praise is from another view point. Like, from one of God's viewpoint we are merely dust that He enables moment by moment (Acts 17:28) and Whom can easily create millions of men with superior attributes on a whim. Maybe, He is praising people as a gift to them as opposed with the idea that He is actually impressed with what we did.
Then there is the cause of what we do to consider ... the possibility of 'hard determinism' .... or the work of the Spirit in us which, in either case is praising His own work.

Really none of us are worthy of god praise but he dose give it anyway.

Agreed (how can dust compete or impress the infinite ... rhetorical question)

Let me look around and dig into myself and im sure i can dig up some scripture supporting this. Kinda busy today but ill make so time for this later on.

*smiles* ... what motivates or impresses or moves God save God? I say nothing/no one .... You convinced me that God praises man ... not because He is impressed, but for our (His children's) benefit ... hmm... athropomorphism (my explanation of last resort ... lol)
Consider:
Job 22:2 “Can a vigorous man be of use to God, Or a wise man be useful to himself? 3 “Is it any pleasure or joy to the Almighty that you are righteous? Or is it of benefit to Him that you make your ways perfect?
Job 41:11 Who has first given to Me, that I should repay him? Whatever is under the whole heavens is Mine.
Acts 17:25 nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, because it is He who gives to all [people] life and breath and all things.
Job 35:7 “If you are righteous, what do you give God, Or what does He receive from your hand? 8 “Your wickedness affects only a man such as you, And your righteousness affects only a son of man [but it cannot affect God, who is sovereign]”

Interesting discussion ... thx

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I see your point. On the other hand we sometimes praise children for seemingly nothing in order to build up their confidence.
Aside: We have different view points as to the 'cause' of things so no sense going there...

Yes, I can see your point although in our culture we tend to not tell the truth if we think it will make someone feel better. It is pretty clear that God never lies to make anyone feel better. The examples in the scripture are more like God calling a spade "a spade." The second sentence I do not quite get but maybe it is not important.