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The Book of Zephaniah

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Lloyd

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For my 70AD crowd.

When was this entire prophecy fulfilled?

The reason it stuck out to me was reading it today, it mentions the day being "near" and I know a lot of posters here always relate the "shortly come to pass" in Revelations as the key phrase to indicate all has already happened.

Interested in your thoughts....
 
Yes it's been fulfilled, but it's about the coming (to King Josiah's successors) of the Babylonian captivity and destruction of Judah and Jerusalem, along with other nations, at the hands of Nebuchadnezzar. Then comes the eventual restoration of God's People as told in Ezra, Nehemiah, Zechariah, Ezekiel, etc.
 
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So, what was meant here?

Zephaniah 1

New International Version (NIV)

1 The word of the Lord that came to Zephaniah son of Cushi, the son of Gedaliah, the son of Amariah, the son of Hezekiah, during the reign of Josiah son of Amon king of Judah:
Judgment on the Whole Earth in the Day of the Lord

2 “I will sweep away everything
from the face of the earth,â€
declares the Lord.
3 “I will sweep away both man and beast;
I will sweep away the birds in the sky
and the fish in the sea—
and the idols that cause the wicked to stumble.â€[a]

“When I destroy all mankind
on the face of the earth,â€
declares the Lord,

18 Neither their silver nor their gold
will be able to save them
on the day of the Lord’s wrath.†In the fire of his jealousy
the whole earth will be consumed,
for he will make a sudden end
of all who live on the earth.


When did that happen? Or are you saying "whole earth" actually doesnt relate to the whole earth?

Appreciate the input.
 
Lloyd said:
So, what was meant here?

Zephaniah 1

New International Version (NIV)

1 The word of the Lord that came to Zephaniah son of Cushi, the son of Gedaliah, the son of Amariah, the son of Hezekiah, during the reign of Josiah son of Amon king of Judah:
Judgment on the Whole Earth in the Day of the Lord

2 “I will sweep away everything
from the face of the earth,â€
declares the Lord.
3 “I will sweep away both man and beast;
I will sweep away the birds in the sky
and the fish in the sea—
and the idols that cause the wicked to stumble.â€[a]

“When I destroy all mankind
on the face of the earth,â€
declares the Lord,

18 Neither their silver nor their gold
will be able to save them
on the day of the Lord’s wrath.†In the fire of his jealousy
the whole earth will be consumed,
for he will make a sudden end
of all who live on the earth.


When did that happen? Or are you saying "whole earth" actually doesnt relate to the whole earth?

Appreciate the input.
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?? Surely you know that anthing literal has got to be symbolic by the ones seen in Matt. 24:21 on crowd:sad.
 
Elijah674 said:
?? Surely you know that anthing literal has got to be symbolic by the ones seen in Matt. 24:21 on crowd:sad.
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Elijah,

Good morning.. I'm not sure what you mean. Can you explain please?

Are you suggesting the passage from Zephaniah is linked to Jesus' words on the tribulation? If so, then I agree.

My question was aimed at Sinthesis and the 70AD posters here that say all has already happended (apologies Sinthesis if you don't belive this)

Cheers.
 
Lloyd said:
Elijah,

Good morning.. I'm not sure what you mean. Can you explain please?

Are you suggesting the passage from Zephaniah is linked to Jesus' words on the tribulation? If so, then I agree.

My question was aimed at Sinthesis and the 70AD posters here that say all has already happended (apologies Sinthesis if you don't belive this)

Cheers.
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I agree with you!:thumbsup What was not put in my post was about the flip/flop posters who post out of both sides of their mouth about something obivious (Matt. 24's repeated to be future prophesy) and then saying OH!! that part is just 'spiritual'! Christ is here now! (and 's'piritual it is! 1 Kings 22:21-23) Yet, they all knew who 'i' was agreeing with!;)

--Elijah
 
There are at least two aspects to the Lord's coming. One relates to the church: the coming of the Lord Jesus for his church, or the rapture, as in 1 Thess. 4.

Another aspect relates to the Lord's coming in power and glory on earth. The church isn't in the Old Testament, and the fulfilment of many of the prophecies of the Old Testament are still in the future.
 
Lloyd said:
Elijah,

Good morning.. I'm not sure what you mean. Can you explain please?

Are you suggesting the passage from Zephaniah is linked to Jesus' words on the tribulation? If so, then I agree.

My question was aimed at Sinthesis and the 70AD posters here that say all has already happended (apologies Sinthesis if you don't belive this)

Cheers.
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Not all 70ad posters believe the same... I would fall into the the 70 ad slot, but i am looking for His return!
 
farouk said:
There are at least two aspects to the Lord's coming. One relates to the church: the coming of the Lord Jesus for his church, or the rapture, as in 1 Thess. 4.

Another aspect relates to the Lord's coming in power and glory on earth. The church isn't in the Old Testament, and the fulfilment of many of the prophecies of the Old Testament are still in the future.
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Are Noah, Abraham, Enoch Adam, Sarah etc part of His Body?
 
reba said:
Are Noah, Abraham, Enoch Adam, Sarah etc part of His Body?
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With Scofield, Darby, Dallas Theological Seminary and many other dispensationalists, I would make a distinction between the church and Israel in Biblical interpretation.
 
reba: I don't doubt that the Old Testament saints will be at the marriage supper of the Lamb. But in terms of interpretation and chronology, pre- and post-Pentecost does make a real difference.

Once the distinction between Israel and the church is blurred, it opens the way up to all sorts of extremes (Pastors' wives with Uzi machine guns trying to remove Arabs from the backyard, etc.). Or stated differently, temporal versus spiritual inheritance.
 
farouk said:
reba: I don't doubt that the Old Testament saints will be at the marriage supper of the Lamb. But in terms of interpretation and chronology, pre- and post-Pentecost does make a real difference.

Once the distinction between Israel and the church is blurred, it opens the way up to all sorts of extremes (Pastors' wives with Uzi machine guns trying to remove Arabs from the backyard, etc.). Or stated differently, temporal versus spiritual inheritance.
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The question was ...Which of those i listed are Isrealites?

Added:
The first question was ... Are Noah, Abraham, Enoch Adam, Sarah etc part of His Body?
 
reba said:
The question was ...Which of those i listed are Isrealites?
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The answer strictly would be that those who are pre-Jacob would be classified as Old Testament saints. (See Hebrews 11, re. the justified; some of them are before Jacob.)
 
Farouk, How do those who are not of, or pre Israel fit into your thoughts?

How many brides or bodies does the Lord have?
 
reba said:
Farouk, How do those who are not of, or pre Israel fit into your thoughts?

How many brides or bodies does the Lord have?
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reba:

Ephesians calls the church the body of Christ. Trying to fit other saints into it as well, before Pentecost, won't work.

(Sorry.)
 
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.


1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Dividing the Lords- body- bride -people-followers-children- in to groups just doesn't seem Biblical to me...We have one Father

The Holy Spirit was around before Pentecost...
Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.


Just so you know i have a long history of dispensationalism. :yes
 
I referred above to Hebrews 11: there were many in the Old Testament who were justified by faith. And then at the end of the chapter it definitely states that a new period was begun.

The verse quoted about David asking that the Holy Spirit not be taken from him is indication that the Spirit did not indwell believers, as He has done since Pentecost, when the church began.
 
I dont believe this is a salvation issue! I doubt we can convert each other! :yes

I sure like to talk about it though,,,,

Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
 
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