turnorburn
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mutzrein said:
Good post and exactly right*
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Good post and exactly right*
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Imagican
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The TRUTH will 'set you free'. CC, those that INSIST on following 'man-made' churches are ANYTHING BUT 'free'. They are BOUND by their denominationalism. Whether it be the CC, or ANY other denomination, they become 'servants' of 'men' rather than 'children of God'.
The Church is NOT contained within the minds or structures of MAN. It is THROUGH The Spirit that one is even able to come to an understanding OF The Church. From the MOMENT of Christ's DEATH, God NO LONGER dwelt within a 'physical structure'. He THEN became ABLE to dwell within the hearts of those that KNOW and love His Son. The Church is WITHIN the hearts of those that accept and follow The Son. Whether one is located in the jungles of Africa, or right here in America, ALL those that have Christ IN their hearts ARE The Church of Christ.
the Body is NOT divided. But we can CLEARLY see that the denominations ARE divided by their VERY denominationalism. Unity is NOT to be found in 'man-made' temples, but in the hearts of those that KNOW Christ AND His Father.
MEC
The Church is NOT contained within the minds or structures of MAN. It is THROUGH The Spirit that one is even able to come to an understanding OF The Church. From the MOMENT of Christ's DEATH, God NO LONGER dwelt within a 'physical structure'. He THEN became ABLE to dwell within the hearts of those that KNOW and love His Son. The Church is WITHIN the hearts of those that accept and follow The Son. Whether one is located in the jungles of Africa, or right here in America, ALL those that have Christ IN their hearts ARE The Church of Christ.
the Body is NOT divided. But we can CLEARLY see that the denominations ARE divided by their VERY denominationalism. Unity is NOT to be found in 'man-made' temples, but in the hearts of those that KNOW Christ AND His Father.
MEC
turnorburn
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Another post that is spot on :-D
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Catholic Crusader
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Well, then comes the ULTIMATE question, which always arises in these discussions: Who decides what is true? The individual? Or the Church? (And by that I mean THE Church.)mutzrein said:
No matter what we talk about, it always swings around to that: "AUTHORITY". Who has the authority to decide what is correct and incorrect regarding Christian truth: The individual (which I assume you believe) or the Church, as I believe? This will always be the great divider between those in your camp and those in mine.
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Catholic Crusader
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I agree. Jesus established one Church, and I believe I am in it, and I believe history proves me correct. Men established denominations when they broke away from that Church.Imagican said:
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Imagican
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Catholic Crusader said:
And CC, as I have offered over and over; I am no member of the Catholic Church, or ANY OTHER denominational 'church'. Yet I am completely confident in the FACT that I AM a 'part of the Body of Christ'. I AM a member of the Church of which HE is the 'Head'.
And this is EXACTLY HOW I Know that the denominational teachings of the 'churches' are misguided in their BELIEF that one MUST be a 'part of THEIR' church to BE a 'follower of Christ'.
You would offer that it is YOUR 'church' that I MUST belong in order to BE complete in Christ. And so too would EACH of the denominations. For IF they taught the TRUTH, then the congregation would NO LONGER feel OBLIGATED to PAY them for their services.
God IS able to guide, ME or anyone else that is WILLING to be LED by The Spirit, with instruction as to HOW our money or wealth is to BE dispersed. I NEED NO ONE to 'spend it FOR me'. I am PLENTY able to SEE when those are brought to my attention that NEED my assistance. And THAT is what 'faith' is ALL about, my friend. NOT 'faith in men', but FAITH in God.
And I am WELL aware of your 'beliefs' so far as the CC is concerned. I am CONSTANTLY being accused 'otherwise', but I have a pretty GOOD understanding of the CC. I wouldn't 'speak out' as I DO if I didn't.
And NOT JUST 'your church', CC, but ANY church that refuses to follow IN SPIRIT. Any church that INSISTS that IT IS THE ONLY WAY. For they ALL fall short. Not ONE is righteous, NO, NOT ONE, (that I have found).
MEC
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Catholic Crusader
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Imagican said:
You are trying to have your cake and eat it too. You cannot reject the Church established by Christ then say you are in it.
I agree, you are a Christian, but by rejecting that which Christ established, you are not in full communion with Christs Church. That is what I believe.
Catholic Crusader said:
The ultimate question always has the ultimate answer.
Scripture says in 1 Corinthians:
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment: "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?"But we have the mind of Christ.
So there you have it. It is the spiritual man – the man who has received the spirit of God that understands what is true. It is NOT 'THE' church but the man who has the mind of Christ.
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Catholic Crusader
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mutzrein said:
Then why did Christ bother to appoint apostles? Why did he bother to give the great commission for them to teach? Why did Paul bother sending letters of correction to various communities that were in error? Why didn't he just say, "..put on the mind of Christ and you'll get it right"?
And as a more contemporary question, why has the protestant world fractured over 500 years from a few reformers to several hundred denominations? Why arent they all on the same doctrinal page if all you need to do is have "the mind of Christ"?
I'm sorry, but scriptue and empirical eveidence, in my opinion, proves your position wrong.
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Arj
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I got asked to come along by friends.I went to the catholic church and a church of the four square gospel as well but my current one(presbyterean)is very christ centred,so why not hey. :D
turnorburn
Member
Arj said:
I was saved in a Pentecostal church, but now live so far from it, that Pastor
was gifted a genuine soul winner and you could always be sure you would hear
Gods word, I've heard some good things about the Presbyterian church, I'm
glad for you that you found it.