The coming Four Blood Moons.

[Brother Mike]

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if it is true, then it's not a conspiracy theory. Now who decides what is real and not real is the question.

Blood moons is a theory. It does not take into account other scriptures. Not saying it's not valid, but saying it's not as soon as some think.

 

[reba]

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Was not made for discussion, just a friendly reminder as to the TOS. Admin..

 

[DRS81]

if it is true, then it's not a conspiracy theory. Now who decides what is real and not real is the question.

Blood moons is a theory. It does not take into account other scriptures. Not saying it's not valid, but saying it's not as soon as some think.

Hi Brother Mike. That's true, the Harbinger is not a conspiracy theory. The proof is in his book and dvd. All we need is eyes to see. Also true, the blood moons are not a part of scripture but Israel is, and the last time the Tetrad occurred was 1493, 1948 and 1967 all relating to Israel and Israel is God's place of business. :wink

 

[Sinthesis]

And if you read the Harbinger book, you will understand how the Isa 9:10 came to pass also in America in 2001 and 2008 during 9/11 and the economic collapse. America thought they could re-build higher walls to block out the enemy, but in reality they were casting judgment on themselves. Illustration is a good word, I will use that.

I've watched enough of one of his videos to know Mr. Cahn doesn't understand biblical prophecy. While we are to learn from what happened to those recorded in the bible, and can reflect upon how our situations today may resemble those of biblical participants thousands of years ago, it is hubris to believe that scripture describing situations that played out long ago, ultimately reaching fulfillment in focusing the arc of world history to our Messiah, are instead actually about us.

Then of course there is the underlying implication of Mr. Cahn's harbinger idea that the United States deserved 9/11 as judgement for failing some divine purity test. It may sell books, but it is not Christian.

 

[Deborah13]

I've watched enough of one of his videos to know Mr. Cahn doesn't understand biblical prophecy. While we are to learn from what happened to those recorded in the bible, and can reflect upon how our situations today may resemble those of biblical participants thousands of years ago, it is hubris to believe that scripture describing situations that played out long ago, ultimately reaching fulfillment in focusing the arc of world history to our Messiah, are instead actually about us.

Then of course there is the underlying implication of Mr. Cahn's harbinger idea that the United States deserved 9/11 as judgement for failing some divine purity test. It may sell books, but it is not Christian.

Good post.

 

[DRS81]

I've watched enough of one of his videos to know Mr. Cahn doesn't understand biblical prophecy.

Hi Sinthesis, thank you for your response. What specific teaching of his are you referring too. What turned you off to him. I think he's one of the most anointed and knowledgeable teachers in this generation. He actually knows more about bible prophecy than most. I'm curious of why you disagree.

While we are to learn from what happened to those recorded in the bible, and can reflect upon how our situations today may resemble those of biblical participants thousands of years ago, it is hubris to believe that scripture describing situations that played out long ago, ultimately reaching fulfillment in focusing the arc of world history to our Messiah, are instead actually about us.

Then of course there is the underlying implication of Mr. Cahn's harbinger idea that the United States deserved 9/11 as judgement for failing some divine purity test. It may sell books, but it is not Christian.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. If there's proof and literal evidence that we can see with our own eyes that these things happened, why is it hubris. People always complain that God doesn't exist or there is no proof. Well, it's right there for you to read and watch, book and dvd. So what's the problem. The Harbinger isn't an idea, these events took place physically. Isa 9:10 came alive in 2001 and 2008. I would say it's hubris to judge a book and dvd when one hasn't even checked them out? How can you have knowledge of something without reading it first. Failing some divine purity test? We failed that test a long time ago. America hasn't been pure since the 1960's. We've pushed God out of everything, why wouldn't you think judgment is next. Mr. Cahn (is) a Christian, he's actually a born again christian. And what he's discussing has everything to do with the church, Jewish people and Israel. Israel is connected to christianity (and) the church, and Israel is Mr. Cahn's focal point. - DRS81

 

[tim-from-pa]

The thing that I find fascinating about Cahn's work is that he applies the prophecies of Israel to the United States. For those of us believing "lost tribes" teaching, we've been doing that for years, so it's nothing new to us. But here's a guy who does not endorse such teachings and yet can see clearly enough that the prophecies apply nonetheless. What can I say? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck (so they say with inductive reasoning). So guys like me get the last laugh when I've gotten flak over the years believing what I do.

 

[DRS81]

The thing that I find fascinating about Cahn's work is that he applies the prophecies of Israel to the United States. For those of us believing "lost tribes" teaching, we've been doing that for years, so it's nothing new to us. But here's a guy who does not endorse such teachings and yet can see clearly enough that the prophecies apply nonetheless. What can I say? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck (so they say with inductive reasoning). So guys like me get the last laugh when I've gotten flak over the years believing what I do.

Hi Tim. I will say that I'm not really learned on what you are speaking of, but I do know that the Harbinger book is based on fact and clear evidence. - DRS81

 

[tim-from-pa]

Hi Tim. I will say that I'm not really learned on what you are speaking of, but I do know that the Harbinger book is based on fact and clear evidence. - DRS81

I agree, and my point was that it supports that the USA is in part, the lost tribes of Israel (the ancient Israelites) of the Northern Kingdom who never returned to their land, even though Cahn does not teach that. So the prophecies to Israel can apply because we are Israel. I'm of the camp where I believe Britain was Ephraim, and the throne there is the Davidic throne until Christ claims it. And for those who will listen, it pays to heed the warning of the prophets, because this nation of the USA is going into captivity one day. But Jesus said to watch and pray that you may be worthy to escape these things as he watches over his church.

 

[Dave Watchman]

the USA is in part, the lost tribes of Israel (the ancient Israelites) of the Northern Kingdom who never returned to their land

Hi Tim

I heard that there are some wealthy individuals stocking up supplies in the plains of Moab or in some place called Petra. They are doing this because they were told that it will be the place of Divine Protection from The Great Tribulation. I think they will receive a poor return on their investment. I followed Herbert Armstrong and David C. Pack for a long time. I still thank them for turning me into a seventh day Sabbath keeper. I think that The U.S.A. is special but not because of the lost ten tribes or that we might have received a delayed blessing from the promises made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
In 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue. God was opening up a new continent. Never before was there a nation like America. Never before was there to be a nation with a Bible Belt. The United States has translated and distributed more Bibles than all other countries combined. The founding fathers made sure church and state were seperate. Some people think that The Earth who helped The Woman is The United States.

"But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river that the dragon had poured from his mouth"


Fox book of martyrs is an expensive book but has allot of pictures. From 538 to 1798(1260 years), the dragon hit the Woman very hard. We could be burnt at the stake just for getting caught with a Bible in our possession. In 1798 Napoleon sent his general to take the Pope's crown. That Pope died three days latter in a jail cell. Everyone at the time thought that the Vatican had received a mortal head wound but yet today He lives. Some people think that this was the dragon pursuing The Woman.

"And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle so that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time"



In The good old U.S.A. I could start up the church of the blood moon tetrads and have no fear of being hung upside down. The only fear would be, at a latter date, in becoming one of the grapes in the great wine press of the wrath of God. America! America! God shed His Grace on thee.

Have a peaceful rest of The Sabbath
Dave

 

[reba]

Jos 21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
Jos 21:44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
Jos 21:45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Hi Tim

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Have a peaceful rest of The Sabbath
Dave

Same to you, Dave.
שבת שלום

 

[eddif]

Two blood moons before the Crucifiction of Jesus (Jesus shed blood before his death: garden, beatings, crown of thorns etc)

Darkness at death (like solar eclipse). I have lots of thoughts about what would symbolize Jesus going into the the abode of the perished saints, but I will refrain from comments.

Jesus shed blood / water after his death (side was pierced).

I suppose if reads the same from right to left or left to right. The moon controls the tides. Jesus lifted up draws us to Him. Which are the symbols, and what is the reality? Jesus is the solid item. Shadows appear in creation and life when light is present. Reflection exists in life and meditation.

eddif

 

[iLOVE]

The four blood moons will occur in roughly six-month intervals on the following dates: April 15, 2014; October 8, 2014; April 4, 2015, and September 28, 2015.

The blood moons of 2014 and 2015 are poised to appear as Iran works toward nuclear weapons. Israel is being warned that Iran and their allies are about to attack.

"The only reason that Iran will not acquire a nuclear bomb will be that Israel chooses a military solution to that crisis," Hagee told CBN News.

 

[John S]

Biblically speaking, those eclipses mean absolutely NOTHING.

 

[eddif]

Biblically speaking, those eclipses mean absolutely NOTHING.

If Acts 2:16-21 plus rest of the chapter.
Tells of the prophecy of Joel and
Acts 2:20 tells of the moon being turned to blood
Acts 2:21 tells of Jesus being crucified
Matthew 27:45 tells of darkness over land
Matthew 27:51 tells of veil torn, and earth did quake
After death the side of Jesus was pierced and blood and water came out

Blood before darkness and blood after darkness.

The next return of Jesus will not be in blood, but in glory
Jesus came in blood before the great and glorious day.

IMHO the blood moons remind us of the great sacrifice Jesus made for us . Next up is his coming in Glory.

eddif

 

[tim-from-pa]

Biblically speaking, those eclipses mean absolutely NOTHING.

As I mentioned earlier and/or on other threads, the eclipses by themselves causing things to happen, I agree. I think what the eclipses do accomplish is to point people to the feasts of Yahweh, and to consider end time prophecy. I don't seriously believe these are the eclipses in Joel for "the Day of the Lord". When that day comes, we will surely know, and in addition, an eclipse if not really required for a blood moon anyway. The atmospheric conditions from tribulation can accomplish that nicely. Not saying that's what will happen specifically, just sayin' that this is another way.

Certainly God knew ahead of time when these eclipses would occur, and were foreordained to warn us of end times, like setting the alarm clock to wake us up. And alarm clock isn't the reason we get up --- it's a sign for us to get up. But the action isn't because of the clock.

I have not doubt that times are more perilous than ever, and it's augmenting to that Day. If the blood moons did nothing else, at least it has people looking more at the biblical calendar, the feasts and prophecy of the end. To that end, I think just doing that the eclipses have/and will fulfill their functions.

 

[Dave Watchman]

The four blood moons will occur in roughly six-month intervals on the following dates: April 15, 2014; October 8, 2014; April 4, 2015, and September 28, 2015.

The blood moons of 2014 and 2015 are poised to appear as Iran works toward nuclear weapons. Israel is being warned that Iran and their allies are about to attack.

"The only reason that Iran will not acquire a nuclear bomb will be that Israel chooses a military solution to that crisis," Hagee told CBN News.

iLOVE, I don't watch the news or Hagee. I have not had a TV set up since 2006. In 2002 I watched on TV as Christiane Amanpour spoke with Yasser Arafat on the telephone while the Israeli army was busy bulldozing his compound. Gold spiked up in the overnight trade and during the next business day I made my largest single day advance in gold mining shares. Many people at that time thought that the end was coming soon. I found it curious that they built Yasser's tomb with Jerusalem Stone. And to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.

What I am on the watch for are really only two scenarios that have to do with "peace and safety" and an event in Heavens Temple which we can not possibly see. The first scenario comes from my friend Larry W. who thinks that some earthly emergency will cause all of the Saints around the world to pray at the same time asking the Lord for "peace and safety". The censer is a device used evenings and mornings at the alter of incense in Heavens Temple. Unlike the alter of burnt offerings which is for individual atonement, the alter of incense is used for corporate atonement or for the transgressions of all the world. When "the prayers of all the saints" rise with the "smoke of the incense" "before God from the hand of the angel" the angel will then cast the censer down. No more censer means no more daily service. This will mark the end of a 6000 year service in Heaven's Temple that began on the day that Adam sinned in the garden. Our Restrainer will be taken out of the way.

I will be on RED ALERT for this during a 37 day window after the third moon of the tetrad.

"And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer, and he was given much incense to offer with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne, 4 and the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel. 5 Then the angel took the censer and filled it with fire from the altar and threw it on the earth, and there were peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning, and an earthquake"

 

[Dave Watchman]

Biblically speaking, those eclipses mean absolutely NOTHING.

Thank you for caring

John, you are quicker than a WEB BOT. I was almost going to come here and spill the beans on what I know about the moons. I scanned my notes and then shrunk them down to a nice size for the net but then I turned chicken. It's probably just not the proper thing to talk about on a public forum. With the Lord's help you should be able to figure them out for yourself. Yes there have been many lunar eclipses and tetrads. The great tribulation didn't happen before, why should now be any different? Because this time there is an additional specification that continues to be overlooked. Our six feast day eclipses are centered exactly in between two lunar triples that also have solar events associated with them. The solar and lunar eclipse that is part of our tetrads is connected with another solar and lunar eclipse which is part of the future lunar triples. After locating these, use a date to date calculator to arrive at the number of days in between the two sets of solar and lunar eclipses.

All glory goes to God The Father and Jesus His Son and Our Saviour. It would appear that The Lord knew from before the foundation of the universe how long the end time tribulation would be. He made the Sun, Earth and Moon at just the right specifications. Like giant hands on a cosmic clock these three spheres were made at just the right sizes, distances and speeds that every once and awhile they will tap out this peculiar number which is just too precise to be coincidental. This peculiar number is a mathematical lock fit with the three prophetic time periods from Daniel 12.

If you put the numbers into a bar graph program they look like this:

<-----1260----->
<------1290------>
<-------1335------->
<--------0000-------->(number of days in between eclipse events)


"The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord"



“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened,

and the moon will not give its light"


Sun "turned into darkness" is all dark like a full eclipse and that's just what we have "before".


Sun "will be darkened" is just partly dark like a partial eclipse and that's just what we have "immediately after"


Some think these verses speak of Divine miracles that take place on the days they happen. I would think that too if it were not for the peculiar "number" that separates seemingly ordinary eclipses.
If we can't know the day or hour, do you think that He would allow His Elect to know a 37 day window for the start of the end time tribulation? This also is confirmed by one of the fig tree generation calculations.



With The One who wrote the rule right at the door:
As for me and my house, we will remember The Sabbath.

 

[Dave Watchman]

As I mentioned earlier and/or on other threads, the eclipses by themselves causing things to happen, I agree. I think what the eclipses do accomplish is to point people to the feasts of Yahweh, and to consider end time prophecy. I don't seriously believe these are the eclipses in Joel for "the Day of the Lord". When that day comes, we will surely know, and in addition, an eclipse if not really required for a blood moon anyway. The atmospheric conditions from tribulation can accomplish that nicely. Not saying that's what will happen specifically, just sayin' that this is another way.

Certainly God knew ahead of time when these eclipses would occur, and were foreordained to warn us of end times, like setting the alarm clock to wake us up. And alarm clock isn't the reason we get up --- it's a sign for us to get up. But the action isn't because of the clock.

I have not doubt that times are more perilous than ever, and it's augmenting to that Day. If the blood moons did nothing else, at least it has people looking more at the biblical calendar, the feasts and prophecy of the end. To that end, I think just doing that the eclipses have/and will fulfill their functions.

Hi Tim

My little brother's name is Tim. He has not spoken with me since I told him our world is about to come to The Appointed Time of it's End. So it's not the type of doctrine that will win a popularity contest. Some people seem to want to know until they find out. Look at it like this, there is a peculiar number of days that is encapsulated by two sets of solar and lunar eclipses. Due to the nature of celestial mechanics, one would assume this number would have had to appeared many times throughout history and they would be correct. I continued to look for other occurrences and found the "peculiar number" six times over a 100 year period. Would that mean it would occur 60 times every 1000 years? Would that mean it would occur 360 times every 6000 years? In the previous 6000 years since The Garden, have we already completed 359 of these peculiar eclipse spacings? Are we about to enter into the 360th occurrence? Do 360 degrees make a full circle? I don't know the answers to all. What I do know is that the next time this "peculiar number" comes around will be in 2033. There will not be 6 feast day eclipses at that time. If I was sitting beside DCP on a plane ride to Malaysia for 18 hours, it might be impossible to explain to him. Once we become ingrained in our eschatology, we run the risk of becoming modern day Pharisees. I will try to come back this fall or in winter to show more specific detail, if the Lord is willing.

Have a peaceful rest of this beautiful summer Sabbath Day