The Davidic Covenant

[Sinthesis]

David's throne is for the King of the Jews. Who could possibly occupy it today other than Jesus Christ?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Rollo,
You are entirely mistaken. I believe you are aware by now that I generally don't deal in conjectures, since we are dealing with spiritual matters and directly accountable to the Lord if we mislead someone. I also invariably provide the Scriptures to back up my statements.

Okay, this sounds good.
I am entirely mistaken.
You don't deal in conjectures.
You invariably provide Scriptures to back up your statements.

You have made statements as "fact".
Now please provide the Scriptures to back it up and prove I am entirely mistaken.

 

[eddif]

Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Romans 1:19
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Kind of hard to see air. What air movement does is more evident. Air is but a shadow of the Spirit.

eddif

 

[eddif]

What needs to be unified?
Acts 2:18
And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

(Day of Pentecost servants and females of Israel ?). Shades of tent pegs LOL.

Acts 10:45 (and surrounding text)
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

(Gentiles believed and received Holy Spirit)

Acts 15:10. (And surrounding text)

Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

(Gentile doctrine and Jewish leadership more unified).

Jesus rules over a unified kingdom. Our hearts and minds are changed.

Rubble of the wall remains, but in Christ we are one new man (male and female made he them); Jew and Gentile; Bond and Free; Weak and Strong; etc .

eddif

 

[Deborah13]

What needs to be unified?
Acts 2:18
And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

(Day of Pentecost servants and females of Israel ?). Shades of tent pegs LOL.

Acts 10:45 (and surrounding text)
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

(Gentiles believed and received Holy Spirit)

Acts 15:10. (And surrounding text)

Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

(Gentile doctrine and Jewish leadership more unified).

Jesus rules over a unified kingdom. Our hearts and minds are changed.

Rubble of the wall remains, but in Christ we are one new man (male and female made he them); Jew and Gentile; Bond and Free; Weak and Strong; etc .

eddif

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[Sinthesis]

Notice that the land promise made to Israel's seed in Gen 35:12 is for 'erets (Strong's H776) which can be used for a patch of land, or the entire earth. How much land did God give to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob(Israel)? Not nearly as much as He gave to David and Solomon. How much more land then to the promised Seed? All of it.

Psa 2:7 - I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thouart my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Psa 2:8 - Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.​

 

[eddif]

Hebrews 11:9
By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, asin a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Abraham was looking for a spiritual New Jerusalem.

eddif

 

[tim-from-pa]

Since Israel is presently a democracy (no throne, no king) and in the Church "the kingdom of God is within you", where exactly is this throne which is "presently occupied"? And who exactly is the occupant? Are you just trying to "spiritualize away" something which should be taken as factual (Acts 1:6,7)?

No, on the contrary my friend, just the opposite. As a matter of fact, I often claim that those who do not believe in a literal throne are the one's spiritualizing away.

Her name is Queen Elizabeth II. The throne of David migrated to where the lost house of Israel went to become their appointed destiny of becoming a nation and many nations (Genesis 35:11, Genesis 48:19). The Jews are primarily the house of Judah (some Levi and Benjamin, Ezra 10:9). The other ten tribes were lost to history, but not to God, who said in His Word this would happen. Thus, go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (not Judah). And as a side note, it's amazing some of these called people became the greatest missionary and bible leagues of the world to proclaim Christ and His coming Kingdom.

Now for those new to this idea, I'm often told to defend it as if I can rattle off a few verses and explain it in 5 minutes. Do you have about 3 months and 70% of the bible to study time to devote? This is not based on one or 2 verses. This is why I recommend that book. J. H. Allen summarizes it nicely, but one would have to devote a chapter a day, for about a month to get the overall outline of this vast subject. I had one person already who read a few paragraphs into the book, basically found the first thing he did not like about it and made a whole critique on something he knew absolutely nothing about because the questions he fired at me were adequately answered with scriptural support as well as historical.

 

[Malachi]

No, on the contrary my friend, just the opposite. As a matter of fact, I often claim that those who do not believe in a literal throne are the one's spiritualizing away...Her name is Queen Elizabeth II....

Tim,
I'm familiar with "British-Israelism" but I could not possibly accept that, since at the time the throne of David is set up on earth, there will also be a Millenial Temple in Jerusalem which will function just like the previous temples (only better and as memorials). Also all the 12 tribes will be settled in their lands. I believe a close study of Ezekiel (and other prophets) will convince you that David's throne must be in Jerusalem.

 

[Malachi]

Rollo,
If it sounds good, tell us what were the results of your research, and would that convince you to study the prophetic portions of Scripture?

 

[Malachi]

Abraham was looking for a spiritual New Jerusalem.

Of course he was. And Abraham is in Heaven. So are all those who died in faith.

That does not cancel or nullify God's promises in the least. Have you studied the Abrahamic Covenant? If so, please give us ALL of its components. Also see what covenants God made with Isaac, Israel (Jacob), Judah, and David, and then come to a scriptural conviction about this subject.

 

[eddif]

I kinda of think of it as only I get to go by hanging on to the border of a Jew's (Jesus) robe.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
I receive mercy, very humbling thought.

Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

Malachi
I sure realize this is your thread. I actually did blunder into it without reading the start.
I do not wish to take over or argue. I wish h to make a comment to the above thought by Deborah 13 and address the gentile inclusion (which is really where you and I are).

Grafting is a process that did not come from the beginning of creation (not exactly anyway). There is a wild branch that has a transition zone between root / trunk / vine (?) and branch. This transition zone attachment is by grace. The Jewish attachment is more natural. The Gentile attachment will not continue with pride (or other faulty destructive thoughts).

I ain't no expert on grafting. (redneck language LOL). I do feel the grafting example was chosen on purpose. If we use the Romans 1:19-20 concept it should help.

eddif

 

[Deborah13]

Malachi
I sure realize this is your thread. I actually did blunder into it without reading the start.
I do not wish to take over or argue. I wish h to make a comment to the above thought by Deborah 13 and address the gentile inclusion (which is really where you and I are).

Grafting is a process that did not come from the beginning of creation (not exactly anyway). There is a wild branch that has a transition zone between root / trunk / vine (?) and branch. This transition zone attachment is by grace. The Jewish attachment is more natural. The Gentile attachment will not continue with pride (or other faulty destructive thoughts).

I ain't no expert on grafting. (redneck language LOL). I do feel the grafting example was chosen on purpose. If we use the Romans 1:19-20 concept it should help.

eddif

If you have something to say spit it out. Sometimes poetic circling is not clear. Just what faulty destructive thoughts are you referring to. If you cannot point to something I said or you think I am saying than I cannot understand you.
I think maybe you think, I think, something I don't think. So just spit it out. It's not polite to leave one guessing.

 

[eddif]

If you have something to say spit it out. Sometimes poetic circling is not clear. Just what faulty destructive thoughts are you referring to. If you cannot point to something I said or you think I am saying than I cannot understand you.
I think maybe you think, I think, something I don't think. So just spit it out. It's not polite to leave one guessing.

Yes but I am spitting politely in another persons thread.

If patching then shirt tales, but if gentile inclusion --- grafting.

I really enjoy you all.

Romans 11:19 (and whole area)
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue inhis goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

eddif

 

[Malachi]

I wish to make a comment to the above thought by Deborah 13 and address the gentile inclusion (which is really where you and I are).

eddif,
Because Christians generally pay little or no attention to prophecies pertaining to Israel, we always seem to bring our focus back to the Church (Jew and Gentile in one Body), and forget about all God's covenants and promises to the Hebrew patriarchs.

When you talk about "grafting" that is in the epistle to the church at Rome, and Christians (Jew and Gentile) are being addressed. The Church as an entity in Heaven does not replace Israel on earth, and this thread is about the nation of Israel on earth, based upon God's covenants and promises. Did you study the Abrahamic Covenant as suggested?

 

[Deborah13]

Yes but I am spitting politely in another persons thread.

If patching then shirt tales, but if gentile inclusion --- grafting.

I really enjoy you all.

Romans 11:19 (and whole area)
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue inhis goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

eddif

I know what verses you are referring to but that doesn't explain how you think that I am not understanding this or have damaging views.
Could you be more specific about what you think my views of these scriptures are? If you think my views are ''highminded" please direct me to the post and statement I made that tells you that.
Give me some mercy here, from one redneck to another.
I think that what you are addressing is not off topic from the OP. The Davidic Covenant.

 

[eddif]

eddif,
Because Christians generally pay little or no attention to prophecies pertaining to Israel, we always seem to bring our focus back to the Church (Jew and Gentile in one Body), and forget about all God's covenants and promises to the Hebrew patriarchs.

When you talk about "grafting" that is in the epistle to the church at Rome, and Christians (Jew and Gentile) are being addressed. The Church as an entity in Heaven does not replace Israel on earth, and this thread is about the nation of Israel on earth, based upon God's covenants and promises. Did you study the Abrahamic Covenant as suggested?

I hope I never appear to forget the nation of my savior.

IMHO the church is on earth too. This church is made up of:
Natural Jewish Christians ( that took the gospel to the Gentiles).

Grafted in Christian Gentiles (that are dealing with the root without having to deal with all the Law .

I support the lawful use of the Law. Gentiles can get too high minded (not Deborah 13) and think they have it made.

I know what verses you are referring to but that doesn't explain how you think that I am not understanding this or have damaging views.
Could you be more specific about what you think my views of these scriptures are? If you think my views are ''highminded" please direct me to the post and statement I made that tells you that.
Give me some mercy here, from one redneck to another.
I think that what you are addressing is not off topic from the OP. The Davidic Covenant.

Deborah 13
You are ok. I do not think you are high minded . I am just being a little (maybe too much) nit picking.

The riding in on the cost tails of the Jews is the statement I was addressing. When we talk about new wine in old wine skins or new patch in an old garment that is slightly removed conversation from the gentile inclusion / attachment to the Father.

Grafting is the symbol for gentile inclusion, but if I am wrong whop on me LOL .

Personally I use symbols too much at times . I just see shadows and types more than some. I have not suddenly decided to straighten you out. I was just trying to have one type of bean in the vessel (more Jewish law symbolism).

I have not slipped into attack mode (which is probably my former carnal nature, but it could sneak up on me ).

No attack.

You know rednecks can not be very smooth in their presentation. I am sorry you felt attacked.

Your fellow member in the body of Christ .

eddif

 

[tim-from-pa]

Tim,
I'm familiar with "British-Israelism" but I could not possibly accept that, since at the time the throne of David is set up on earth, there will also be a Millenial Temple in Jerusalem which will function just like the previous temples (only better and as memorials). Also all the 12 tribes will be settled in their lands. I believe a close study of Ezekiel (and other prophets) will convince you that David's throne must be in Jerusalem.

Lost tribes teaching does not fundamentally disagree with that. Everyone I know who believes that way are looking forward to the Kingdom of God, David on his throne again, the church ruling and reigning with Christ, and all Israel settled in their land again.

But that's yet future. Where the throne is now and where the people of Israel reside now is the focus of lost tribes teaching. It also uses this teaching to prepare for the future. David's throne existed back then (bible times), today (now) and yet future when Christ is given it. It is forever as the moon and sun a faithful witness in heaven as psalm 89 says. Since it started back then, it must be going now continuous and uninterrupted, i.e. "to all generations".

 

[Malachi]

Lost tribes teaching does not fundamentally disagree with that.

There is nothing to say that many who reside in the United Kingdom or even Europe may not be able to ultimately prove their descent from the lost tribes. And God knows precisely who is who.

But I would not go so far as to equate the throne of England with that of David. Again, to each his own.

 

[Deborah13]

I hope I never appear to forget the nation of my savior.

IMHO the church is on earth too. This church is made up of:
Natural Jewish Christians ( that took the gospel to the Gentiles).

Grafted in Christian Gentiles (that are dealing with the root without having to deal with all the Law .

I support the lawful use of the Law. Gentiles can get too high minded (not Deborah 13) and think they have it made.

Deborah 13
You are ok. I do not think you are high minded . I am just being a little (maybe too much) nit picking.

The riding in on the cost tails of the Jews is the statement I was addressing. When we talk about new wine in old wine skins or new patch in an old garment that is slightly removed conversation from the gentile inclusion / attachment to the Father.

Grafting is the symbol for gentile inclusion, but if I am wrong whop on me LOL .

Personally I use symbols too much at times . I just see shadows and types more than some. I have not suddenly decided to straighten you out. I was just trying to have one type of bean in the vessel (more Jewish law symbolism).

I have not slipped into attack mode (which is probably my former carnal nature, but it could sneak up on me ).

No attack.

You know rednecks can not be very smooth in their presentation. I am sorry you felt attacked.

Your fellow member in the body of Christ .

eddif

No worries. I think I have read enough of your words and heart to know you were not attacking, but I thought maybe you were warning me. No offense was taken, just concern about what I had said.

I think I understand you now.
Blessings