The day and hour

[Free]

Think about it.

Yeah, that didn't work. The most we can really say about that verse is that it foretells of the death and resurrection of Jesus.

The resurrection of the elect is after two thousand years, and the third day is the end of the thousand years, and the resurrection of the sheep and goats.

You are using a circular argument now. I have shown that one thousand years does not equal a day. You cannot simply respond with a verse that mentions three days and then say that each day is a thousand years.

 

[JudaicChristian]

You are using a circular argument now. I have shown that one thousand years does not equal a day. You cannot simply respond with a verse that mentions three days and then say that each day is a thousand years.

Yes, it is circular, and it comes back to this: 2Pe 3:8 But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.

 

[Free]

You are using a circular argument now. I have shown that one thousand years does not equal a day. You cannot simply respond with a verse that mentions three days and then say that each day is a thousand years.

Yes, it is circular, and it comes back to this: 2Pe 3:8 But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.

I already addressed this and showed that Peter is not at all saying that one thousand years are equal to one day. Neither the language nor the context allow for such an interpretation.

 

[JudaicChristian]

You are using a circular argument now. I have shown that one thousand years does not equal a day. You cannot simply respond with a verse that mentions three days and then say that each day is a thousand years.

Yes, it is circular, and it comes back to this: 2 Pe 3:8 But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.

I already addressed this and showed that Peter is not at all saying that one thousand years are equal to one day. Neither the language nor the context allow for such an interpretation.

All you said is that you disagreed with 2 Pe 3:8, you did not give a reason.

 

[Free]

No, I gave the reasons. It's all about 10 posts above.

 

[JudaicChristian]

No, I gave the reasons. It's all about 10 posts above.

Saying that "Neither the language nor the context allow for such an interpretation" is a contradiction to what is written, and also the interpretation given.

 

[Free]

No, I gave the reasons. It's all about 10 posts above.

Saying that "Neither the language nor the context allow for such an interpretation" is a contradiction to what is written, and also the interpretation given.

How is it a contradiction to what is written? What interpretation is given?

 

[JudaicChristian]

No, I gave the reasons. It's all about 10 posts above.

Saying that "Neither the language nor the context allow for such an interpretation" is a contradiction to what is written, and also the interpretation given.

How is it a contradiction to what is written? What interpretation is given?

Perhaps you should ask for an opinion from another Forum Moderator. Have them read here what is posted.

 

[Free]

Saying that "Neither the language nor the context allow for such an interpretation" is a contradiction to what is written, and also the interpretation given.

How is it a contradiction to what is written? What interpretation is given?

Perhaps you should ask for an opinion from another Forum Moderator. Have them read here what is posted.

All I'm asking for is for you to explain and support your position, which you are not doing. No one else needs to do that but you.

 

[JudaicChristian]

All I'm asking for is for you to explain and support your position, which you are not doing. No one else needs to do that but you.

This is my final answer to you. I agree with what is stated in this scripture below.
2 Pe 3:8
But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.
Hosea 6:2
After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence.
The resurrection of the elect is after two thousand years, and the third day is the end of the thousand years, and it is the resurrection of the sheep and goats.

 

[Free]

All I'm asking for is for you to explain and support your position, which you are not doing. No one else needs to do that but you.

This is my final answer to you. I agree with what is stated in this scripture below.
2 Pe 3:8
But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.
Hosea 6:2
After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence.
The resurrection of the elect is after two thousand years, and the third day is the end of the thousand years, and it is the resurrection of the sheep and goats.

My whole point is that you are not agreeing with the what the Scriptures state. You are forcing a meaning onto 2 Peter 3:8 and then calculating the year of Jesus' return based on what you think that verse is saying. And all that despite the several times the NT mentions that no one knows or can know when Jesus will return.

That is serious error on your part.

 

[JudaicChristian]

All I'm asking for is for you to explain and support your position, which you are not doing. No one else needs to do that but you.

This is my final answer to you. I agree with what is stated in this scripture below.
2 Pe 3:8
But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.
Hosea 6:2
After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence.
The resurrection of the elect is after two thousand years, and the third day is the end of the thousand years, and it is the resurrection of the sheep and goats.

My whole point is that you are not agreeing with the what the Scriptures state. You are forcing a meaning onto 2 Peter 3:8 and then calculating the year of Jesus' return based on what you think that verse is saying. And all that despite the several times the NT mentions that no one knows or can know when Jesus will return.

That is serious error on your part.

My mathematical statement is a THEORY based upon scriptural numerical facts.

 

[Free]

My mathematical statement is a THEORY based upon scriptural numerical facts.

But, as I have shown, and which you have failed to address, your "scriptural numerical facts" are not facts at all but forced interpretations that the scriptures themselves do not support.

 

[Free]

There is enough information in scripture to get a general time frame. We know as a matter of fact that there is a time limit to prophecy. The prophecy can not go beyond 2144AD without being proof of failure of God's word.

And you still haven't shown how you came to this conclusion.

 

[JudaicChristian]

There is enough information in scripture to get a general time frame. We know as a matter of fact that there is a time limit to prophecy. The prophecy can not go beyond 2144AD without being proof of failure of God's word.

And you still haven't shown how you came to this conclusion.

Because it will have been longer than two days after that.

 

[Free]

There is enough information in scripture to get a general time frame. We know as a matter of fact that there is a time limit to prophecy. The prophecy can not go beyond 2144AD without being proof of failure of God's word.

And you still haven't shown how you came to this conclusion.

Because it will have been longer than two days after that.

Longer than 2 days after what?

 

[veteran]

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
(KJV)

The resurrection The Bible speaks of with Christ's coming is about the raising from the dead of both the asleep saints, and the wicked dead, AT THE SAME TIME. ONE resurrection, TWO types.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Longer than 2 days after what?

In 133AD the nation of Israel was finally defeated. Two days after 133AD is 2133AD.

 

[JudaicChristian]

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
(KJV)

The resurrection The Bible speaks of with Christ's coming is about the raising from the dead of both the asleep saints, and the wicked dead, AT THE SAME TIME. ONE resurrection, TWO types.

There are two different resurrections. The first one is only the Elect after two days. The second one is the resurrection of the sheep and goats, and that is at the end of the thousand year reign, the last day.

 

[veteran]

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
(KJV)

The resurrection The Bible speaks of with Christ's coming is about the raising from the dead of both the asleep saints, and the wicked dead, AT THE SAME TIME. ONE resurrection, TWO types.

There are two different resurrections. The first one is only the Elect after two days. The second one is the resurrection of the sheep and goats, and that is at the end of the thousand year reign, the last day.

Then you just went counter to what our Lord Jesus declared there in John 5 about both resurrection types occuring at the same time.