The Dispensationalist 144,000

[jasoncran]

I wasn't talking about Psalms.

snowcat was when he mention that verse on having cattle on a thousand hills.

144k isrealites is their for a reason and they relate to the four and twenty elders.(2 of each tribe from isreal).

 

[jasoncran]

wow, they is really intellegent , enlighten us to our lack of wisdom

i see. that we are beneath you, that is most christlike.

and lets see i shall assume that by the caught in the clouds you mean that we can be just like a little jesus.

correct?

 

[Snowcat]

wow, they is really intellegent , enlighten us to our lack of wisdom

i see. that we are beneath you, that is most christlike.

and lets see i shall assume that by the caught in the clouds you mean that we can be just like a little jesus.

correct?

It is your choice: Are you the Old Man = Adam OR the New Man = Christ?

:D

 

[jasoncran]

It is your choice: Are you the Old Man = Adam OR the New Man = Christ?

:D

really? explain what you mean first as your theology is nonorthodox.

and no we arent a bunch of mini-christ in the flesh that have all his powers

which is a logical contradiction as one cant have a bunch of omnipotent beings

for if i am omnipotent then how can you be at the same time?

 

[Alabaster]

The 144k are NOT Jews! They are from Israel's tribes including the 10 lost tribes. To call them Jews is to say what the text does not as well as place more than the alloted 12k in the tribes of Judah and Benjamin.

What we need to do is look at all of scripture to help us understand the truth about the 144k, the "little flock, as well as the great multitude then cross reference that with an understanding of the bride, the wedding guests, and the virgins of matthew 25.

So the tribes of Israel descended from Abraham are not Jews???

 

[jasoncran]

So the tribes of Israel descended from Abraham are not Jews???

a jew is only is benjamite or judean(judah), the other ten tribes are called isrealites.

the word jew is actually a hate word or name given to the judeans when the babylonians captured and sacked the nation of judah.

and as a whole nation it always called isreal not jews or judeans.

 

[Alabaster]

a jew is only is benjamite or judean(judah), the other ten tribes are called isrealites.

the word jew is actually a hate word or name given to the judeans when the babylonians captured and sacked the nation of judah.

and as a whole nation it always called isreal not jews or judeans.

I don't share that belief, Jason.

 

[jasoncran]

I don't share that belief, Jason.

what do the jews speak

what language uses this name?

adonai and YHWH or elohim?

its not called jewish but hebrew.

and no one actually will say that they speak jewish,

its hebrew in the temple in the u.s. to the american jew and either yiddish(german /hebrew mix) or english.

 

[Alabaster]

what do the jews speak

what language uses this name?

adonai and YHWH or elohim?

its not called jewish but hebrew.

and no one actually will say that they speak jewish,

its hebrew in the temple in the u.s. to the american jew and either yiddish(german /hebrew mix) or english.

Jews all over the world speak their native languages, and those true to their heritage will learn Hebrew. Their language has nothing to do with their being Jewish.

 

[Adstar]

Whoa Adstar, not so quick. Paul was quite clear on this. All have sinned and fall short...

Nowhere in Revelation does it suggest they were sinless. :o Be careful to not create another Gospel here, although I do not believe that was your intent.

What do you mean? You declare an interpretation of what Paul said. I will show you what came direct from the mouth of God.

Deuteronomy 1:39
"Moreover your little ones and your children, who you say will be victims, who today have no knowledge of good and evil, they shall go in there; to them I will give it, and they shall possess it.

God declared to the Hebrews that their little ones had no knowledge of Good and Evil. The coming of the knowledge of Good and Evil is what caused men to need the salvation of the Messiah Jesus. These little ones do not have it. And neither do the 144,000 mentioned in the book of Revelation.

This is not another Gospel. It comes from being a Bible believer.


Revelation 14
3 They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God.

What does without fault mean? It means they are without fault.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

 

[jasoncran]

Jews all over the world speak their native languages, and those true to their heritage will learn Hebrew. Their language has nothing to do with their being Jewish.

i know that but the real language spoken by the "jews" or persons of isreal is called hebrew not jewish.

but i wouldnt know since i'm of this lineage and my grandpa was able to read and write and taught hebrew in the temple.

the word"jew" first appeared in the book of esther.

 

[Adstar]

Decidedly Literal?
By who?

Jesus said, My words are Spirit and they are Life.
On top of that, two times the Book of Revelation states, "These things are at hand."

They are spiritual realities to be moved into as you press into the Glory through prayer. Most christians are too lazy, waiting for the rapture that will never happen because they do not understand what being "caught up into the cloud" means.

Just another Doctrine of Devils...creating lethergy in the church.

:angel2

Wohaa. "Doctrine of Devils" you say?

I would say you better hope to your dieing day that these 144,000 are not descendants of Abraham. That they are not from the 12 tribes mentioned. Because if your wrong and they are literally 144000 from the tribes mentioned then the belief that they are is a Holy Spirit inspired doctrine.

If it is true that they are of the tribes mentioned then you sir by calling it a "Doctrine of Devils" have just Blasphemed the Holy Spirit.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

 

[Alabaster]

We, the righteous children of God are ALSO deemed without fault before God because of the same thing the 144,000 have availed themselves of: the BLOOD of Jesus Christ blotting out their sins.

They aren't said to be redeemed for nothing.

Jude 1:24
Now all glory to God, who is able to keep you from falling away and will bring you with great joy into his glorious presence without a single fault.

 

[Codger]

As scripture plainly tells us the 144,000 are Jews right out of the trbes of Israel, my tendency is to believe it!

Revelation 7:1-8

The Sealed of Israel

1 After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.†4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:
5 of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;
6 of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;
7 of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;
8 of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed.

You believe it? This is the most screwed up list of the 12 tribes that I have ever seen.

 

[jasoncran]

You believe it? This is the most screwed up list of the 12 tribes that I have ever seen.

you are aware that the tribes are listed differrently in other places.

jacob had twelve sons

joseph's son took his place as they were his inheritance

and that was prophetic as when joseph asked for a blessing by jacob he placed his right on the younger massaneh even though ephraim was the elder.

and i think dan was removed as prophecied.

 

[Sinthesis]

You believe it? This is the most screwed up list of the 12 tribes that I have ever seen.

Just further evidence that the list is metaphorical. It is supposed to bring the reader to recall a previous list of Israelites; what their attributes and mission were, as an analogy to the hyperbolic list of Rev 7.

 

[Alabaster]

You believe it? This is the most screwed up list of the 12 tribes that I have ever seen.

I have no reason or right to disbelieve the word of God as written. since the beginning, names have always meant something to God. They are IMPORTANT.