The Easter "Spell"

[mcgyver]

Re: The Easter Spell, lyiing Preachers

Precepts...appropriate user name....

I'm going to give you something to read, that is of course if you are intellectually honest enough to actually read it, because it directly answers your (ummm) precepts as concerning the gospel accounts.

This was written by Simon Greenleaf who was the Royall Professor of Law at Harvard university. Mr. Greenleaf is considered one of (if not the) most brilliant legal mind that the US has ever produced.

He was responsible for bringing Harvard to preeminence as a law school, and his opinions on evidence are used as stand alone testimony in the Supreme Court of the United States to this day.

He set out to disprove the resurrection, and spent the better part of 13 years studying the matter.

This is what he ended up writing: The Testimony of the Evangelists http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2246301/posts

Try reading it...really read it, see if it answers any questions for you.

 

[precepts]

Re: The Easter Spell, lyiing Preachers

See, didn't I tell you he/she is very much a holier-than-though Christian? Man I'm good! :D

Apparently he/she is wearing blinders also, since everyone clearly acknowledged that there are different versions of the Resurrection. No one sees a problem with it, and why should they? There is no lie, it's a fact. No one views the same thing in the same way. As a criminal justice student I look through lots of old police reports for school. It's crazy how ten people can see the exact same car accident but manage to make it sound like ten totally different ones.

I'd look in the mirror, if I were you. Calling people "so-called" Christians and then blatantly declaring that God's WORD is a lie. You're a little blasphemer who stole someone's soap box, if you ask me. You ought to get off the box and let the big boys talk, OK?

Wow! If I could stick the word hypocrisy in there somewhere, it would fit neatly. Wow!

 

[stovebolts]

Re: The Easter Spell, lyiing Preachers

And I think this about wraps up this thread...

 

[stovebolts]

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[Pard]

Re: The Easter Spell, lyiing Preachers

OK, fresh start...

Precept,

Without belittling or attacking:

What is your point? I fail to see the logic behind your argument at all. Reading from one passage and not the other three isn't lying, it's called "reading from one passage and not the other three". They tell the same story, from four different points of view. As I said before, ten people see one accident and each report they write could easily be describing ten totally separate accidents.

 

[Elijah674]

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Elijah with some thoughts. No name or names needed, yet, some questions about 'Inspiration'? Not that the Bible is not Inspired, because most believe rightly so, that it is.

Yet, most correctly did post about four different 'inspired' accounts from the sixth day called the preparation, until the Sat. evening resurrection time, (sun before daylight John has it ) and Most agreed with that. That by itself is amazing!

Then how come these same ones have (loving?) squables over even one WORD found in other Bible passages? And we even have one whole thread devoted to that 'one word' study, and we cannot solve this, but attack the wrong object??

Some times a thread has much good material even if it draws some fire? (such as this one) And also it is not always the 'majority' (moral??) who see things correctly. In fact it appears that this short thread found some attacking the person rather than the post material? That is a question as well!

And most know that Easter was a high day (the days of unleavened bread as my the K.J. has it) that Old Israel were still keeping. (Acts 12:1-5) Not the Acts Church. One that Paul stated that... 'He was Afraid of you' over?? Gal. 4:9-11

Just some thought!

--Elijah

 

[handy]

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Then how come these same ones have (loving?) squables over even one WORD found in other Bible passages? And we even have one whole thread devoted to that 'one word' study, and we cannot solve this, but attack the wrong object??

Some times a thread has much good material even if it draws some fire? (such as this one) And also it is not always the 'majority' (moral??) who see things correctly.

I welcome a discussion about the harmony and differences in the Gospels as written...no problems with that!

But, only if we make an attempt to sort out the good material from the bad material. Looking at the differences and asking honest questions...all good.

Accusing preachers of lying and stating that the bible is full of contradictions and stating that believers are bewitched and under a spell .... not so much!

As for a discussion regarding the harmony and the differences of the gospels, I've posted my opening thoughts on the matter and stand ready to discuss them.

So, Elijah, what are your thoughts regarding the gospel accounts of the resurrection?

 

[Elijah674]

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I welcome a discussion about the harmony and differences in the Gospels as written...no problems with that!

But, only if we make an attempt to sort out the good material from the bad material. Looking at the differences and asking honest questions...all good.

Accusing preachers of lying and stating that the bible is full of contradictions and stating that believers are bewitched and under a spell .... not so much!

As for a discussion regarding the harmony and the differences of the gospels, I've posted my opening thoughts on the matter and stand ready to discuss them.

So, Elijah, what are your thoughts regarding the gospel accounts of the resurrection?

Lets skip 'names' ok? But the question of 'contradictions' was a good question, was it not? It has only been lately that 'i' have found a good number understanding that the Inspired Pennman used their own Word's in discriptive terms.
Many still think that the words of the Bible theirself are Inspired. (such as Heb. 12:8's bastards, (in the plural) and again, might not 'ministers' be included?) And are we not trying to post the Lord's Word to straighten this thinking out for others, + ourselves even?? Even what this thread mostly accepts as such, would stir up a heated debate with many of the today ones.

And one might think that we are addresing the person of the post? And that is not the case per/say. But 'i' surely must think that the preachers of the Broadway ones of Matt. 7 (no names mentioned) are a bad crop, yet, who measures up to their works?? verse 22

OK: for the question, 'So, Elijah, what are your thoughts regarding the gospel accounts of the resurrection.'

Can you believe that 'i' really do believe Christ with this one? He says in Mark 7:7
'Howbeit in vain do they worship Me, teaching for doctrines, the commandments of men.'

And Baptism to me signifies ones total 'will' death of the old man, and the Resurection of Christ in us as the New Born Again man. Rom. 8:1 And the only thing that I find of importance that is suggested in remberance is the Memorial of creation week in Psalms 135:13 (Earths Birthday) and not an Easter.

And ALL doctrine needs 2 Tim. 3:16 + Matt. 4:4. And Vain?? That comes from the Worship side of the Ten Commandments. Exod. 20:7 + Matt. 22:35-40. We often think of swaring, but it cover much more than that for me. Even Titus 3:9-11 to me is considered in direct violation to the Law of God.

--Elijah

 

[precepts]

Re: The Easter Spell, lyiing Preachers

Precepts...appropriate user name....

I'm going to give you something to read, that is of course if you are intellectually honest enough to actually read it, because it directly answers your (ummm) precepts as concerning the gospel accounts.

This was written by Simon Greenleaf who was the Royall Professor of Law at Harvard university. Mr. Greenleaf is considered one of (if not the) most brilliant legal mind that the US has ever produced.

He was responsible for bringing Harvard to preeminence as a law school, and his opinions on evidence are used as stand alone testimony in the Supreme Court of the United States to this day.

He set out to disprove the resurrection, and spent the better part of 13 years studying the matter.

This is what he ended up writing: The Testimony of the Evangelists Testimony of the Evangelists - by Simon Greenleaf (1783-1853)

Try reading it...really read it, see if it answers any questions for you.

What does this have to do with the four conflicting accounts of the resurrection?

 

[precepts]

Re: The Easter Spell, lyiing Preachers

The world is under a spell! Imagine there are four different resurrection day accounts.

Which one did you hear this Easter?

What does it mean when each Pastor/Preacher uses one of the four, and nobody notices the difference?

Four different accounts, all four told at Easter, and no one takes notice or offense.

Matthew's account:



Mark's account:



Luke's account:



John's account:

Jhn 20:1 The first [day] of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Jhn 20:2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.
Jhn 20:3 Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.
Jhn 20:4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
Jhn 20:5 And he stooping down, [and looking in], saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.
Jhn 20:6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
Jhn 20:7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
Jhn 20:8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.
Jhn 20:9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
Jhn 20:10 Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
Jhn 20:11 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, [and looked] into the sepulchre,
Jhn 20:12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
Jhn 20:13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
Jhn 20:14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
Jhn 20:15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
Jhn 20:16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
Jhn 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.
Jhn 20:18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and [that] he had spoken these things unto her.

I wouldn't even get into the details, but which version or versions did you hear this Easter?

It' that time of year again. I wonder if anyone notices we're under a Gregorian Roman, adopted Egyptian, calendar rather than God's calendar?

 

[Sparkey]

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So, Elijah, what are your thoughts regarding the gospel accounts of the resurrection?

Handy, my thought is that we can certainly agree on the most important, "He is Risen," and I would add that it is a blessing for me to see you here today, and what a blessed day it is. There came a Sunday to me, many years ago, that was so blessed that I could not conceive of any other day surpassing it. That was more than 20 years ago. This day, this very day in which we meet, is the day that I have been proved wrong in my assumption. This day and the blessing it contains is greater. And yet... the day is not over.

Hallelujah! The King is coming. The hearts of the fathers are being turned to the children, the hearts of the children turned back to the fathers. Luke 1:17 Is it any coincidence that you're question is asked of Elijah? Probably was, but I noticed.

Blessings to you, sis! Love too!

Sparrowhawke (oops, just saw that this was a resurrected thread) :toofunny

 

[precepts]

Re: The Easter Spell, lyiing Preachers

Say, that's a very neat trick! Maybe you could learn me.

 

[Sparkey]

Re: The Easter Spell, lyiing Preachers

It' that time of year again. I wonder if anyone notices we're under a Gregorian Roman, adopted Egyptian, calendar rather than God's calendar?

Yep, I've noticed. I've also noticed the difficulty that comes when one tries to decipher it using even some very excellent online sites dedicated to the purpose of unraveling the dates. Do you have sites that I may use that are beyond any reproach, that can reconcile the various calendars? I'd like to find two such that agree with each other independently. Oh, you forgot? Julian calendar, didn't you? And by "God's calendar," I assume you mean the calendar that was used at the time of Jesus, not the one that was used during the time of the giving of the law, or is that the other way around?

Cordially,
Sparrow

 

[ezra]

Re: The Easter Spell, lyiing Preachers

what part in confusing ? the stone rolled away or he aint there?

 

[precepts]

Re: The Easter Spell, lyiing Preachers

It' that time of year again. I wonder if anyone notices we're under a Gregorian Roman, adopted Egyptian, calendar rather than God's calendar?

Yep, I've noticed. I've also noticed the difficulty that comes when one tries to decipher it using even some very excellent online sites dedicated to the purpose of unraveling the dates. Do you have sites that I may use that are beyond any reproach, that can reconcile the various calendars? I'd like to find two such that agree with each other independently. Oh, you forgot? Julian calendar, didn't you? And by "God's calendar," I assume you mean the calendar that was used at the time of Jesus, not the one that was used during the time of the giving of the law, or is that the other way around?

Cordially,
Sparrow

Maybe it would help if you understood that there's no calendar known to man that can equally divided the year without it eventually drifting out of sync and needing a pope to say, hey let's take away seven days too many.

 

[precepts]

Re: The Easter Spell, lyiing Preachers

what part in confusing ? the stone rolled away or he aint there?

I don't think that's the issue here.

 

[Grappler]

Re: The Easter Spell, lyiing Preachers

The world is under a spell!

Imagine there are four different resurrection day accounts. Which one did you hear this Easter? What does it mean when each Pastor/Preacher uses one of the four, and nobody notices the difference? Four different accounts, all four told at Easter, and no one takes notice or offense.

Matthew's account:



Mark's account:



Luke's account:



John's account:

Jhn 20:1 The first [day] of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Jhn 20:2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.
Jhn 20:3 Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.
Jhn 20:4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
Jhn 20:5 And he stooping down, [and looking in], saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.
Jhn 20:6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
Jhn 20:7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
Jhn 20:8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.
Jhn 20:9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
Jhn 20:10 Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
Jhn 20:11 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, [and looked] into the sepulchre,
Jhn 20:12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
Jhn 20:13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
Jhn 20:14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
Jhn 20:15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
Jhn 20:16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
Jhn 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.
Jhn 20:18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and [that] he had spoken these things unto her.

I wouldn't even get into the details, but which version or versions did you hear this Easter?

...This the greatest day of the year for a Christian and here you are all mad about some petty differences in the Gospels....so what? i never claimed the bible was infallible. The bible was written by men...good men....but still men capable of mistakes.

 

[Sparkey]

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Maybe it would help if you understood

Whose to say I don't? I've studied several calendars a couple quarters ago in my multi-disciplinary studies class that included calendars and concepts from a wide variety of cultures across a broad span of history. The class was called, "EthnoMathmatics" and covered all sorts of things including Fractals and African design. But that didn't answer the question - do you have two sites that are considered "beyond reproach" and agree? I've seen many that try already.

Not to put too fine a point on it but I did openly debate with the instructor and still achieved a solid "A".

 

[ezra]

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what part in confusing ? the stone rolled away or he aint there?

I don't think that's the issue here.

what is ?each of the 4 writers was writing to a different group of folks .each one saw something different. you can,t come in saying lying spell bound preachers .. do you believe in the death burial resurrection? and are you saved?

 

[iLOVE]

Re: The Easter Spell, lyiing Preachers

The world is under a spell!

Imagine there are four different resurrection day accounts. Which one did you hear this Easter? What does it mean when each Pastor/Preacher uses one of the four, and nobody notices the difference? Four different accounts, all four told at Easter, and no one takes notice or offense.

Matthew's account:



Mark's account:



Luke's account:



John's account:
I wouldn't even get into the details, but which version or versions did you hear this Easter?

whats your point? the bible is full of contradictions? no man sees the details exactly the same. that means the gospel account wasnt a collusion. in law enforecment if the cop hears the same exact story from the witness. he will often doubt the witness account as it was rehearsed.

There are NO contradictions in the bible.