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The end of times

I'm off to work right now but will post tonight if possible,, is this about end times? the opening post, poster say end times. So I would think bible prophecy is needed, after all the bible is the the best source for such talk and speculation. As far as the age of the earth there is a topic going on right now on this forum... viewtopic.php?f=10&t=47148 ...........freeway :thumb
 
I would think bible prophecy is needed,
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Well with due respect there is no evidence that the future can be predicted with that degree of certainty.

Revelations is somewhat dreamlike and cryptic to me with as many interpretations perhaps as individuals reading it. There will be an end time for people as there has been for most living creatures on this planet Earth but by then we will possibly not look like we do now due to genetic variation (evolution), and perhaps the human species or our descendants will venture beyond our solar system. I do not see the point in hoping the end times will come in the hope that the book of revelations might have some substance to it; especially when your life is worth living. :rolling
 
venomFGX said:
I would think bible prophecy is needed,
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Well with due respect there is no evidence that the future can be predicted with that degree of certainty.

Revelations is somewhat dreamlike and cryptic to me with as many interpretations perhaps as individuals reading it. There will be an end time for people as there has been for most living creatures on this planet Earth but by then we will possibly not look like we do now due to genetic variation (evolution), and perhaps the human species or our descendants will venture beyond our solar system. I do not see the point in hoping the end times will come in the hope that the book of revelations might have some substance to it; especially when your life is worth living. :rolling
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If there is such a thing as evolution then how come some of the oldest life forms on earth have not evolved? And how come in the rock strata of fossils one group of species suddenly dies out, and then another group suddenly appears? And why are the missing links missing? :study
 
Everything evolves or becomes extinct, though if some cell or organism is perfectly adapted to its current environment then that change may be very slow indeed. The layers often indicate mass extinction events and there have been a few of these. Every fossil found is an intermediary fossil if you like just as we are an intermediary species. I might add that it is humans who designate something as species not nature.
Nature just is. Of course some people think it all happened by some other mechanism, but the evidence is totally overwhelming that evolutionary processes are at work. Anyhow this is off the topic thread and perhaps you can address this in another thread. :wave
yours
VFX
 
We are told the truth in parables to keep us engaged. If mankind was given to much information about future events then they would try to change the events. Then there would be more chaos then there is now. :yes
 
As I said, I have found very little evidence if any that future events can be forseen say beyond a few days, let alone thousands of years. Though with a huge passage of time things we will not like will occur but this is random. To me it is highly unlikely the future is known at all. :)
I cannot remember reading in the book of genesis about an alternative dimension. Other dimensions do exist but they are part of this Universe and there is only one.
 
It is now a known fact that carbon dating is not that reliable after few thousand years. It is also now a known fact that the formation of earth elements takes much less time then thought. :yes
 
venomFGX said:
As I said, I have found very little evidence if any that future events can be forseen say beyond a few days, let alone thousands of years. Though with a huge passage of time things we will not like will occur but this is random. To me it is highly unlikely the future is known at all. :)
I cannot remember reading in the book of genesis about an alternative dimension. Other dimensions do exist but they are part of this Universe and there is only one.
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We have no way of knowing how many universes there may be. Only one universe is a presumption on your part.
 
The limit of carbon dating is about 40- 50k years, but it is great to date indian sandals and so on.
There are also limitations if new C-14 is not within the system such as at the bottom of some swamps.
These facts and limitations are known so it is a matter of prudence to be careful when you analyse samples.
The formation of heavier elements occurred in stars and the mechanism is known quite well.
How quick they form may be a result of the properties of the stars they are forming in.
 
Only one universe is perhaps a presumption but there is not the slightest bit of real evidence for the existence of another one at least at this point. I would need to see the evidence of this universe before I would say it is probable. One cannot know what is not known: one may guess but that is in the realm of science fiction and not real science.
 
Rom 1:20-25
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified Him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, Who is blessed for ever. Amen.
(KJV)

'There are more things in Heaven and earth than in your philosophy...'
 
Thank you for the quotes and I am sure they are somehow meaningful and relevant to you but I do not quite see how they fit in with the scientific understanding of the world and the cosmos :thumb
I am sure God wanted men to understand his creation.
 
venomFGX said:
Only one universe is perhaps a presumption but there is not the slightest bit of real evidence for the existence of another one at least at this point. I would need to see the evidence of this universe before I would say it is probable. One cannot know what is not known: one may guess but that is in the realm of science fiction and not real science.
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The word "Heaven" means place-s. From God's heaven He created this heaven/universe. That makes more than one place. Logical deduction. Dark matter is on the outside of this universe. That make three.
 
Carbon 14 has a half-live being 5730 years (plus or minus 40 years) Carbon 14 dating starts going wrong before 2865 years. Dinosaur bones that were not identified as such were carbon dated between 5,000 to 15,000 years old. Soft tissues have been found in dinosaur bones that were dated to be millions of years old. In order to get those extreme carbon dates they must play with the equipment to do so. Now how scientific is that? :grumpy
 
venomFGX said:
Thank you for the quotes and I am sure they are somehow meaningful and relevant to you but I do not quite see how they fit in with the scientific understanding of the world and the cosmos :thumb
I am sure God wanted men to understand his creation.
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It appears that you are here for some other reason than bible prophecy.If you are not here for bible prophecy then why are you here?Why have you started this thread when it has nothing to do with the bible ?
 
Biblical parables are to much of a challenge for most people, even Christians. Correct biblical interpretation is a very rare gift. False science is a common practice among those who have "FAITH" in Evolution. It is true that species are able to adapt in limited ways, because that is part of our design.
 
Shilohsfoal said:
venomFGX said:
Thank you for the quotes and I am sure they are somehow meaningful and relevant to you but I do not quite see how they fit in with the scientific understanding of the world and the cosmos :thumb
I am sure God wanted men to understand his creation.
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It appears that you are here for some other reason than bible prophecy.If you are not here for bible prophecy then why are you here?Why have you started this thread when it has nothing to do with the bible ?
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Good question, but it does not hurt anything for our conversations to go out of bounds from prophecy.
 
venomFGX said:
Thank you for the quotes and I am sure they are somehow meaningful and relevant to you but I do not quite see how they fit in with the scientific understanding of the world and the cosmos :thumb
I am sure God wanted men to understand his creation.
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If you pay attention to the quotes you would see EXACTLY where you fit into them, but you admit you don't understand; "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things."
25 "Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, Who is blessed for ever. Amen."
2 Thessalonians 2:11 "For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness."
You are clearly believing the "Lie" by believing in science. Science keeps learning more through further discovery and every time they have to "correct" themselves and change there "facts" and amend there "truths".
Knowing God is about surrender, complete surrender. It's about admitting we "don't know or understand", it's about recognizing that we are limited in our understanding due to God's will, which is to His Glory. The only one with all the answers is God who is the TRUTH (and back to the beginning)"Who changed the truth of God into a lie..."
You are caught in a catch 22 here. You don't know God because God has not revealed Himself to you, but I don't condemn you; I try to open your eyes. There was a day I was just like you, and now I'm saved, but NOT by my own choice. No, my choice was to accept what God revealed to me (His choice) and that was His will. My hope for you is that God will reveal Himself to you
"I am sure God wanted men to understand his creation.[/quote]" and you are right; God does want you to understand Him and His creation, but not though science, but by believing what HE has told us.
Stop exchanging the Truth of God for the lie.
Many in the scientific community want to disprove God's existence so they don't have to be held accountable for their actions (Judged), that way they can be "god's unto themselves". Self-actualization does not exist, only God can actualize a person and He does so by giving those person's His Holy Spirit because the only Truth and the only Life and the only Way is in Christ Jesus who died so that you can be saved from your sin and the deception that your flesh (physical body and MIND) have adopted to be your truth. Romans 12:2 "Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to TEST and approve what God's will is-His good, PLEASING and perfect will."
May God bless you, may He lead you into His good, pleasing and perfect will.
The answers are not in this world nor are they in this universe, nor science; the answers are in God, who is the Word of Truth = explanation of His creation.
 
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