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The end result of Hinduism is becoming God

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Soma-Sight

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Despite all the varying forms of doctrine involved....

The end result and point of Hinduism at its core is "God - Realization".

Merging into the Brahman (Atman) and recognizing yourself as the totality of Being.

This cannot be reconciled with the Gospel.
 
Well it certainly depends on how rigidly one looks at the gospel message. No doubt, Hinduism and the gospel emerged out of different backgrounds, but they might, perhaps, share some imporant points.

Merging into the Brahman (Atman) and recognizing yourself as the totality of Being.

Its important to keep in mind that when entering into Brahman your temporal self dissapears. One does not become God per se, but one has uncovered that which lurks within and behind your temporal self; Atman, the immanence of Brahman.

Likewise, it is often said that the Holy Spirit is the immance of God, and that our body is a "temple of the Holy Spirit". I think alot of Christians take the implications of this too lightly. Quite truthfully, our body houses the immanent Spirit of God!

The entire gospel is filled with such little mytical hints. Not being in the first century and only having a small number of instructonary epistles, we can't know how these factored into the early Chirsitan's spiritual practice.

For example, Jesus said "love your neighbour as your self"....but yet, if everyone followed this and truly loved one another as their own being....what of the self would be left? We would dissovle into one another...

Or Jesus' famous quote "He who wants to save his life will lose it....but he who loses it for my sake will save it". Meditating upon this small puzzle yields some fascinating insights! In order to gain our life it must be lost... (a mystic would see this has profound meanings on multiple levels)

Its also intersting to note that Paul sometimes talks about Jesus, as though he was the embodiment of what Hindu's might call the Atman. In Colossians we see a picture of the Cosmic Christ:

"For in him all things in heaven and on earth were created"

"He himself is before all things, and in him all things hold together"

"For in him dwelt the fullness of God"

"He is the image of the invisible God"

Yet Paul reveals a great mystery that has "been hidden through the ages" but has "now been revealed to his saints", the glory of this mystery is "Christ in you".

Christ, in this epistle, is much more than a single being, but a cosmic and pervasive reality that "holds all things together" is "before everything" and the thing in which "the heavens and the earth" were created. Importantly, the secret is that this living principle is within you.

Compare this to the Atman in the Upanishads, the Atman is "that which rests in the worlds, but is distinct from them, of which the worlds are the body"...."that which rests in all creatures, yet is distinct from them, of which the creatures are the body"

Paul is writing in a theistic tradition, its difficult to imagine, if one where to place some of these Hindu ideas in a theistic background, the portrait being much different.

Hinduism was always strongly philosophical, thus it espouses these ideas in elaborate philosophic systems. However, Judaism wasn't so. The mysticism of the Judeo-Christian tradition then are found hidden and scattered throughout the scriptures....the philosophy is not laid out but must be expunged from it.


And in the end...Christianity seems to be nothing unless one learns to see Christ within. This is the liberating force, the atonement message of which the gospels speak; death to the temporal self, rebirth in Christ. Who knows what metaphsyical affects this realization will inccur?
 
Good response and well thought out Ahimsa.

I guess for me personally Hinduism can be broken down as follows.

1. God is not serious. Reality is a dance of Brahman which is circular and always comes back around to itself. Your actions and choices in this life are not serious as the worst that could happen is a reincarnation in order to learn some new truth about your true Self.

2. There is no need for a Saviour. As pointed out above, God is not serious and not a judge. We are infinite expressions of the same Divine material so there is no need for a sacrifice in order to become "right" with God.

3. God can be known in infinite ways. You can worship the Creator aspect.... or the evil destroyer Shiva. God has no defining characteristics as being "Holy" and from what I gather is a neutral entity.

Now lets contrast this with what I believe to be central to Christianity.

1. God is serious! He means what he says and life is not a dance. Life has eternal consequences and there is a Higher Moral Order that is Holy and Eternal.

2. Man needs a Saviour. Since the defining characteristics of the Christian God are not neutral like the Brahman, certain consequences result. Mankind is separate from God due to a lack of Holiness that results from following the Higher Moral Law to the letter. No amount of rebirths or reincarnations can erase the mistakes of the past.

3. Truly knowing God can be done in only One way. In contrast to the Brahman, God is all Good, all Holy and never changing. The true God of the Universe for the Christian does not associate Himself with images of "Shiva the Destroyer" or Kali or any other false god.

THE BEST AND ONLY WAY TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE GOD OF CHRISTIANITY IS A DEEP STUDY AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE LIFE OF JESUS CHRIST.
 
I would have to say that you are doing Hinduism a gross diservice by this misreprentation:

The Hindu Brahman is a very serious matter. Being that which is unrestricted, without limit and beyond comprehension, he is the subject of contemplation for many who have devoted their entire lives to this very serious pursuit. True, there is no "final judgement", but there is, however, the eternal karmic law which ensures that justice is always fulfilled. No negative deed goes unpunished , and surely, if Brahman is Reality, than Brahman is also this karmic law which ensures that each deed is accounted for, albeit, in a different way than the Christian tradition. The emphasis is that neither tradition lacks a firm idea of absolute justice.
There is no need for a Saviour. As pointed out above, God is not serious and not a judge. We are infinite expressions of the same Divine material so there is no need for a sacrifice in order to become "right" with God.

True, Hinduism does not have a single being who's sacrificial death metaphysically frees you from the consequences of your negative actions. However, do not mistake this for a lack of seriousness. Hinduism demands sacrifice and salvation. We must cease clinging to our temporal self, we must sacrifice it....or as St. Paul might have said, we must die to it. The salvation experience of Hinduism is also a kind of mystical death and rebirth. The selfish and "sinful" drive of our human nature leads us into suffering, or what Paul might have called, the "bondage of sin". Importanly, we must descend within our own depths to find the Liberator who already resides there, when we emerge, we have reached a consciousness that supercedes the typical human experience. Thus we have the imagery of death, a dark tomb and resurrection; a life revealled only in death. St. Paul too stressed the importance of inner death and the Christ within. I realize I am intermingling Christian and Hindu terminologies, but I think we can see that Paul is grasping at the fundamental mystic basics, things that Hinduism had defined more conretely, Paul is realizing within the lenses of his own tradition.

3. God can be known in infinite ways. You can worship the Creator aspect.... or the evil destroyer Shiva. God has no defining characteristics as being "Holy" and from what I gather is a neutral entity.

Christianity too holds that God is infinite, which is why it perplexes me that it places so many limits and conditions on him and declares he can be seen in only one way. It is important to note that Shiva is not evil. God, being reality itself, encompasses all polarities and in him, all paradoxes and opposites are reconciled. Thus Hinduism teaches tha God can be, if one teaches the mind to observe correctly, witnessed and experienced in any and every moment and event. God is to be found within the darkness and the light. The darker side of Lord Shiva, or the experience of Kali is the profound understanding of the wholeness and totality of God as life itself.

The Prophet Isaiah encountered a similar notion when he recorded God saying "I form the light and create darkness, I make weal and create woe, I the Lord do all these things" 45:7 It is in this sense that life is very much a divine dance. Remember the Hebrew God who plagues King Saul with evil spirits, who hardens the heart of Pharoah to keep Israel in bondage and who has Jesus speak in parables so that the people "may hear but not understand".

I think a thorough and careful exmanintion of the Christian and Jewish scriptures reveal them to be far less simplistic than is typically portrayed today. God, far from being layed out, defined and categorized, is very much an enigma that the mind constantly tries to grasp but never attains.
 
I had a chance to visit India a few years ago on a mission trip with my pastor and was astonished to see a culture held back by there religious beliefs
Satan is having a field day with the 33 Million + gods they serve.
I thank God that He is the only one and true God
Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
God has a simple gift of Salvation for anyone to recieve all we have to do is call on the lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved
yet the world would rather be held back go figure.
 
Satan is having a field day with the 33 Million + gods they serve.

I suppose in your incredible zeal to convert the nation to your faith...you forgot to actually attempt to understand Hinduism?


Hinduism is a monistic faith.
 
Hinduism can best be described by the duplication of its middle syllable:

dudu 8-)
 
hinduism is a religion designed by satan to get you to worship idles
If man could become God then we would not have to die
Im not triing to convert you im only sharing the truth
i dont need to study a religion based on physical works
its no different than catholisism, buddism, satanism, mormanism etc.
John 3:16 KJV
God did the work that i could not do by sending his son Jesus to die on the cross that you and i by believing could have life everlasting
am i triing to convert you no
im triing to share truth so that God can save you from a life of idolitry and hell
 
Uninformed opinions are barely worth writing, never mind reading.

i dont need to study a religion based on physical works

By your own admission you have not given the religion a careful examination.

hinduism is a religion designed by satan to get you to worship idles

Yet you do not fail to make drastic and colorful statements about something "you don't need to study". Your logic fails me....most likely because its not there.

Silence is the prefered speech of the uninformed.It's unfortunate that several posters in this discussion feel the need to check their intellect at door. If you want to make arguments, by all means, go ahead...


...but please....do it with some dignity.
 
AHIMSA said:
...but please....do it with some dignity.

poopoo doesn't fit the pun, so I had to use dudu.

And that is a compliment considering that it is leading millions and millions of individuals to hell.
 
uniform is what the world is triing to do
the world would like everyone to believe in one world religion which is only a sighn of the times
this is not uniform its fact based upon personally seen evidence
tell me that a religion that says when an odd number of men show up to do a job they must all go home because there gods wont be happy
thats messed up its a whole lot of superstition and that was from first hand knowledge
its not my intention to insult you but to inform you of the falsehood in which
you are partaking
this is suppost to be a christian forum so in all reality your post about a satanic religion tells me your not saved but friend its not to late call on the name of the lord and he will save you
 
If man could become God then we would not have to die

1 John 3:2 Yes, dear friends, we are already God's children, and we can't even imagine what we will be like when Christ returns. But we do know that when he comes we will be like him, for we will see him as he really is.

If Jesus is God and then on His return if we will be like Him, wouldnt that make us as God is? Isn't that running in parallel with what Soma has said about hinduism "God - Realization"? :roll:
 
Are you asking if we will be God or are you asking if we will appear in the likeness of God
 
The end result and point of Hinduism at its core is "God - Realization".

Merging into the Brahman (Atman) and recognizing yourself as the totality of Being.

This cannot be reconciled with the Gospel.

That was the main contrasting point used in the OP for hinduism vs the gospel.

I was pointing out 1 John 3:2 where one gets to be in the likeness of God as one realizes the totality of the being of God.

Seems like "God - Realization" to me which was presented as a negative towards the goal of hinduism.

In hinduism one does not become brahma but becomes aware of the brahma within. Again "the kingdom of God is within you" from the gospels.

I am not serving hinduism here, just pointing out the contrast that was presented against hinduism from christianity is not that strong.
 
Hinduism is circular.....

Christianity is linear....

To the Hindu reality is ultimately a game at its core level....

To the Christian reality is serious and no laughing matter....

To the Hindu you dont have to obtain salvation in this life as you will just be reincarnated to try again.....

To the Christian you have to get it right this time around because there is a final judgement when there is no turning back....

To the Hindu the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is unnecessary and not the core of the religion in any way, shape, or form.....

To the Christian the crucifixition and subsequent resurrection of Jesus Christ as described in the Gospel records is not only important, IT IS CHRISTIANITY IN A NUTSHELL!
 
A. The end result of Hinduism is becoming God.

B. Hinduism is circular.....To the Hindu you dont have to obtain salvation in this life as you will just be reincarnated to try again.....

I see a contradiction in statement A and B. We started off with an end result of hinduism but then we say hinduism is circular because life just moves along in a circle of life and death. Or are you saying until this end result is achieved its circular but once one reaches this end result its not circular anymore? In that case the final goal of hinduism seems linear though the process is circular. Like, the tires of a car are in circular motion but the car moves in a linear direction.

Also it's hard to understand the context of the thread. Is it merely highlighting the differences between hinduism and christianity or are you trying to prove that one is superior to the other?
 
TanNinety said:
A. The end result of Hinduism is becoming God.

B. Hinduism is circular.....To the Hindu you dont have to obtain salvation in this life as you will just be reincarnated to try again.....

I see a contradiction in statement A and B. We started off with an end result of hinduism but then we say hinduism is circular because life just moves along in a circle of life and death. Or are you saying until this end result is achieved its circular but once one reaches this end result its not circular anymore? In that case the final goal of hinduism seems linear though the process is circular. Like, the tires of a car are in circular motion but the car moves in a linear direction.

Also it's hard to understand the context of the thread. Is it merely highlighting the differences between hinduism and christianity or are you trying to prove that one is superior to the other?


I don't see a contradiction..Soma is right, The end result is
1= !1
i.e Man + Works = God
But no one will be able to attain the end result.
 
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