The Eternal Purpose of creation !

[savedbygrace57]

eph 3:

7Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

8Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

col 1:

14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

The creation of the world was soteriological and redemptive for all intents and purposes..

Gen 1:

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

This is where God begins to manifest a Divine eternal purpose, which He eons afore time, purposed in Himself, the Triune God..

This Eternal Purpose was predicated upon God manifesting His redemptive [from sin] wisdom of His chosen people, the vessels of mercy rom 9:23..

Hence from all eternity God That the world He created through Jesus Christ eph 3:9 would be for the display of His manifold wisdom and grace in the redemption of chosen lost sinners. eph 3:

10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

For the execution and accomplishment of this eternal purpose, God has sovereignly controlled the world from its beginning, and will continue until its consummation, and time will be no more.

All that happens in this world, mysteriously has soteriological and or redemptive meaning, that which is both good and evil is included. All has been ordained by god and serves to operate into the displaying the manifold wisdom of God in the salvation or redemption of the church..

 

[JudaicChristian]

Eph 3:9. and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.

 

[Joe67]

Heb 10:7
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. KJV

John 5:39
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. KJV

This is not the first lesson that God gives us to understand. We cannot understand it though the words are spoken to us. In the fullness of our time the eternal Father gives us to understand this, through much tribulation.

Joe

 

[savedbygrace57]

So all that happens in this world both good and evil, plays a subordinate role or a supporting role in the redemptive grand scheme of things. Paul understood this sublime truth when He wrote to timothy 2 tim 2:

10Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

Notice, he endured all things for the elects sake, not everyone in the world, but the chosen ones, that they [ the elect] might obtain salvation [ an experiential knowledge] of that which is in Christ Jesus..

also 2 thess 2:

14Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

hence all the sin and evil thats in the world today, from the garden of eden, was purposed by God from all eternity, for it was no mistake, or accident that Adam sinned, but all was in pursuit to this end:

rev 5:

12Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.


13And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
14And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

rev 7:

9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;


10And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

11And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

Yes, it was to this end, that creation came into existence, with all its sin and shame, Oh what wisdom and Power..

rev 4:

10The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

11Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

 

[savedbygrace57]

Eph 1:

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

2 tim 1:

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

rev 13:

8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
eph 3:

9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

col 1:

15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.


All such verses and passages as above, If understood properly, makes it abundantly clear, that the world, the universe was founded for mans existence to fulfill Gods Eternal Purpose centered in Christ Jesus..

 

[savedbygrace57]

The world finds its purpose for being created within the eternal purpose of Jesus Christ
eph 3:

9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: Of which purpose was redemptive

6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

For it [ the eternal purpose] was regarding the gentiles being partakers of the Gospel promises, which promises were grounded in the blood of the everlasting covenant..

Therefore it is nothing but spiritual blindness that people cannot understand that sin was part of Gods eternal purpose in creating the world, Adam must sin in order for the eternal purpose of the gentiles being partakers of the gospel promises to be realized..

 

[savedbygrace57]

Col 1:

15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.


Heb 1:3

2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

By whom He [ God the Father ] made the Worlds, The Heir of All Things..

The world was made by Him [ The Heir] and for Him, that is to manifest His redemptive purpose..

The world and all therein, was created for a Divine redemptive purpose, a purpose which entailed the involvement of sin..

The Son [ Jesus Christ, the last Adam] was the Heir of all things and not Adam.

Jesus Christ was the Heir Son that was given Isa 9:

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:

This Son was the appointed Heir before being given jn 3 16

The Son, The Lord Jesus Christ was God's only begotten Son, Heir of all things [ 2 cor 8:9 ] before He was Mary's baby..

And as Gods only begotten Son, before all worlds, He was appointed Heir of all things, and it was as Heir He was appointed to die, for those who were joint heirs with Him..

If one believes aright that Jesus Christ was God's Son before the incarnation, then they would believe that Jesus Christ was His Heir [ rom 8:17] before the Incarnation, even before creation and the creation of Adam..

In quoting a passage it is clearly seen that Jesus Christ was the sent Heir Matt 21:

37But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. Notice, My Son, not Mary's Son..

38But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.

mk 12:


6Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.

7But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours.'


lk 20:

13Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him.

14But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours.

You see, its a terrible misunderstanding in man made religion, that Adam was Gods intended heir of the world in the beginning when the world was made, but He was not, The Lord Jesus Christ, The Son of God was, and Adam and all things else were created for Him and His Eternal redemptive purpose..

eph 3:

8Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

 

[savedbygrace57]

All things were created by Him and for Him ! -

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col 1:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Jn 1:3

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jn 1:10

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

When I ponder ponder these verses about Jesus Christ at least three sublime truth's are impressed into my mind:

#1. The Deity and equality of the Christ with the Father

#2. That Jesus Christ the God Man Mediator existed before creation

#3. That sin coming into the world by Adam [ rom 5:12] was purposed by God, in that the world and all things else were created for and subservient to God's eternal redemptive purpose centering in in Jesus Christ and more specifically His cross eph 3:


9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

The Lord Jesus Christ's pre existence is also taught in col 1 17

17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

He is before all things

It says also that by Him or in Him all things consist..or all things cohere in Christ..To cohere in Christ is to exist together by christ as the holding center, similar to how the spokes in a wheel are held together by the hub in the center, now understand this is referencing the pre incarnate Christ who is before all things. Notice all things were created for [unto Him]vs 16 which again indicates that Christ is the end unto which creation came into being or was made..

 

[savedbygrace57]

col 1:



16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:



This means all things were created with a redemptive, soterilogical purpose:


#1. Heaven was created for Christ- which includes the third heaven 2 cor 12:



2I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.



The heaven as the firmament gen 1:



1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.





2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.



3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.



4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.



5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.



6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.



7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.



8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.



Hebrews tells us too that the heavens are the works of His hand heb 1:



8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.





9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.



10And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:



Now remember, this creating of the heavens were for a redemptive soterilogical purpose if we believe col 1 16. God was creating the heaven and the earth in the beginning for the purpose of displaying His redemptive eternal purpose in Christ eph 3:



9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:




10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:


So the heavens and the earth were made by and for [unto] Christ..

 

[stovebolts]

Darkness and Evil are not created...

1:1 In the beginning1 God created the heavens and the earth.

1:2 Now the earth was without shape and empty, and darkness was over the surface of the watery deep, but the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the water. God said, “Let there be light.†And there was light! God saw that the light was good, so God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day†and the darkness “night.†There was evening, and there was morning, marking the first day.

As scripture states, God created
1. heavens
2. earth
3. light

God calls the light good, and seperates the light from darkness. In other words, God makes a distinction between what is created, and that which is not created.

BTW, Light and Darkness does not refer to the sun, moon or stars. Those are created on day four.

This theme echo's in John's account

John 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was fully God. The Word was with God in the beginning. All things were created by him, and apart from him not one thing was created that has been created. In him was life, and the life was the light of mankind. And the light shines on in the darkness, but the darkness has not mastered it.

And through Christ, we are new creations

Again, Darkness and Evil are not created... They are void of creation.

 

[savedbygrace57]

steve:

Darkness and Evil are not created...

Isa 45:

7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

 

[savedbygrace57]

Not only were the heavens made by and for Jesus Christ, but also #2. The Angels were made for Jesus Christ, both good and evil..

I recall scripture says that when He returns, He will have His Angels with Him matt 16:27

For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.



Matthew 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

In forming the Eternal Purpose of redemption, God was pleased that the elect Angels [ see 1 Timothy 5:21] would be employed by Him unto the Heirs of salvation [ see heb 1:13-14]

note: here: The Heirs of salvation were known and loved by God in His Eternal Purpose from eternity and before they actually existed in time..

The Angels were made by Him and for Him to worship Him heb 1:


5For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

6And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

The evil angels too serve Him and His eternal purpose, and He made them also, in col 1 16 we read:

16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:


For He created or made, brought into existence Thrones, Dominions, Principalities, Powers, and within the scope of these things, are the angelic, heavenly authorities, whether good or evil, and As Jehovah made the wicked [ prov 16:4] both wicked men and angels are made to serve the Eternal redemptive purpose in Christ..


These principalities, powers and authorities are not limited to heavenly invisible beings, but to also that which is seen here in our under world, human government and authorities as well..

rom 8:38

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

eph 3:10

To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,


eph 6:12

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Notice, the rulers of darkness of this world , the greek is:

kosmokrat?r :

lord of the world, prince of this age
a) the devil and his demons

Jn 12:

31Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

And we know these are angels.. So all these angels, both good and evil were made by Christ and for Christ to serve His Eternal and Soterilogical Purpose unto the Glory of God..

Even now all these things and creatures and powers and authorities are under His subjection and serving His purpose see 1 pet 3:22

Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

These authorities and powers have been made subject to Him..

This is the passive voice aorist tense, so its past tense, and the word subject here is the greek word:

hypotass? which means:

to arrange under, to subordinate
2) to subject, put in subjection
3) to subject one's self, obey
4) to submit to one's control
5) to yield to one's admonition or advice
6) to obey, be subject

All these entities good or evil are under His control and obey His Sovereign Power see Matt 28:18

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

How many of us believe to day that all demonic and devilish forces are obeying the risen Christ ? Even while on earth a glimpse of this glory was given and acknowledged : mk 1:27

And they were all amazed, insomuch that they questioned among themselves, saying, What thing is this? what new doctrine is this? for with authority commandeth he even the unclean spirits, and they do obey him.

You see that, even the unclean spirits, they do obey Him, if then, how much more so in His Glory ?

Look at the activity of unclean spirits ! Matt 12:

43When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.


44Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

45Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Do you believe today that these unclean spirits are under the control and obedience of Christ ?

I certainly do, in light of 1 pet 3 22 it has to be true..

And so, all Angels both good and evil were made by Him and for Him..

 

[stovebolts]

steve:

Darkness and Evil are not created...

Isa 45:

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Hello Saved By Grace,

Let me phrase it this way...

Darkness and Evil are not part of God's creative will as attested in Genesis 1. God created light and darkness is the absence of God's creative work.

As far as Isaiah 45:7, within context, this verse is speaking about deliverance and judgment and thus, the word calamity would reflect a better understanding of the situation. More specifically, this verse is speaking of Babylon and how the Lord anointed Cyrus, the Persian who was devoted and pledged to Marduk (verse 4), to end Israel's exile and restore them to their land.

Let's be clear here, it is God who is delivering Israel from exile, not Cyrus. (Verse 7) Cyrus is the Lord's anointed instrument... In other words, the Lord is present with Cyrus.

God does this by anointing Cyrus (verse 1) so that he can conquer the Babylonians and thus, judgment is served upon Babylon and Israel is delivered from exile. Ironically, Cyrus is viewed as a Messiah (Verse 13), a savior, to Israel yet Cyrus maintains allegiance with Marduk and credits Marduk for his successful campaign against Babylon. (see the cylinder of Cyrus)

This stirs the theological question, "Is God present in his absence?" (Think covenant, Deut 28 / Lamentations) After all, it was God who caused Babylon to conquer Israel in the first place. ;)

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all [things] for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Rom 8:18 ¶ For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time [are] not worthy [to be compared] with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected [the same] in hope,
Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

 

[Joe67]

Here is a witness of the spirit of Jesus wherein the Lord has guided me.

Phil 3:13-16
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing. KJV

There is a lower blessing of God such as that which was given to Ishmael and Esau. The places for the "many."
There is the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. This is in the priesthood of Jesus. This is for service forever unto those who are in the lower blessing of God, to the praise of the glory of God in Jesus Christ.

Those who suffer with Jesus in this present evil world are prepared to serve under his leadership in the life to come. Jesus is a priest forever after the order of Melchisedec. The nations will be healed by the leaves of the tree.

Joe

 

[savedbygrace57]

steve:

Darkness and Evil are not created...

Isa 45:

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Hello Saved By Grace,

Let me phrase it this way...

Darkness and Evil are not part of God's creative will as attested in Genesis 1. God created light and darkness is the absence of God's creative work.

As far as Isaiah 45:7, within context, this verse is speaking about deliverance and judgment and thus, the word calamity would reflect a better understanding of the situation. More specifically, this verse is speaking of Babylon and how the Lord anointed Cyrus, the Persian who was devoted and pledged to Marduk (verse 4), to end Israel's exile and restore them to their land.

Let's be clear here, it is God who is delivering Israel from exile, not Cyrus. (Verse 7) Cyrus is the Lord's anointed instrument... In other words, the Lord is present with Cyrus.

God does this by anointing Cyrus (verse 1) so that he can conquer the Babylonians and thus, judgment is served upon Babylon and Israel is delivered from exile. Ironically, Cyrus is viewed as a Messiah (Verse 13), a savior, to Israel yet Cyrus maintains allegiance with Marduk and credits Marduk for his successful campaign against Babylon. (see the cylinder of Cyrus)

This stirs the theological question, "Is God present in his absence?" (Think covenant, Deut 28 / Lamentations) After all, it was God who caused Babylon to conquer Israel in the first place. ;)

Isa 45:

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things

 

[savedbygrace57]

Hell was created for Christ !
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All things that were ever created, were created by and for Christ col 1:

16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Hell and the Lake of fire were created for Christ, that hell is a place cannot be denied if one believes the bible, a place where the wicked will be punished eternally both in body and soul. It is apparent that hell was made for the purpose of Christ, when He was appointed in the eternal counsels to reign and to judge the world..

acts 17:

31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Matt 25: 31-46; Lets note vs 41

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

That word prepared is the greek word hetoimazo which means:


to make ready, prepare
to make the necessary preparations, get everything ready
And its in the perfect tense, a once and for all completed act in the past, not to be repeated and continues into the future..

I believe the lake of fire for the devil and His Angels were prepared before creation of the earth, and I believe the kingdom of Glory for the saints was created before the creation of the world..

Notice vs 34

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world


http://www.studylight.org/com/geb/vi...=025&verse=034


http://www.studylight.org/com/geb/vi...rse=41#Mt25_41

When it is said that the lake of fire was prepared for the devil and His Angels, I believe included with the devil is all his seed or posterity in Him..

So as Christ and His body or members are One 1 cor 12:12 so it is with the devil and His seed..

So in essence what I am saying is that the same lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels was also prepared for His seed because they are one with Him..

This is why it is said in Jude that certain men were before of old written to this condemnation..

And why it is said in rom 9 vessels of wrath were they made and fitted for destruction..They were made to go to the place made for them before the world began..

The Father prepared for His Son a eternal kingdom, and since He views His seed being one with Him, He likewise prepared for them a kingdom cp lk 22:29 with matt 25:34..

But hell was created a prison for the enemies of God and His Christ and their people, all this included in the eternal redemptive purpose of God..

God chose this way to manifest His excellent perfections, to the Glory and Praise of His Grace, and to the Glory and Praise of His Justice..

 

[stovebolts]

Savedbygrace,

How does God create evil?
Does God do evil deeds?
How does God create darkness?
Is God part of darkness?

I'll await your response.

 

[Mysteryman]

Savedbygrace,

How does God create evil?
Does God do evil deeds?
How does God create darkness?
Is God part of darkness?

I'll await your response.

Most of the time we deal with miscommunication with one another.

We all know that God is not evil, nor is he darkness , nor is he a part of either evil or darkness.

But it is true that God does create evil and darkness. Something that is created , means that it did not exist before. In God createing evil and darkness, God was simply defining evil and darkness. Evil and darkness does exist, but outside of what God's fullness and makup is all about.

God knows evil, or else he would not have been able to plant a tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Knowledge is knowing of or about.

When God created evil and darkness, God himself did not produce it. It did not proceed from God.

This type of creation is based upon God "allowing" evil and darkness to exist. If God did not allow it, then evil and darkness would never exist. This is all connected to what we call - "Free will"

There is no free will if one is not allowed to make a choice.

Love IN Christ - MM

 

[savedbygrace57]

mystery:

This type of creation is based upon God "allowing" evil and darkness to exist.

Hog wash, God activily created evil and darkness isa 45:


7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.