The evolution god of atheist

[GojuBrian]

I have never met or known of an atheist that was not an evolutionist.

I don't want to generalize because I want to be accurate, so I'll only speak of those atheist who do believe in evolution.

Is evolution the god of these atheist? They study evolution relentlessly so they can defend evolution against any belief,the bible,etc....to the hilt!! They wish for everyone to be as intellectual as they believe they are for believeing evolution.

I truly believe evolution is the god of these atheist.

I believe if this pursuit went into James,Daniel, or certain books of the Bible, they just may have second thoughts.

 

[VaultZero4Me]

Hugely stereotypical, and grossly wrong.

There are plenty of atheist who do not care about or study evolution. Many Buddhists for example.

I for one do not study much on it myself, and could care less from a atheistic standpoint if for some reason it was completely over turned.

Also, many atheists also have a love for science. Evolution is a part of science so naturally many atheists are attracted to it. Just like many atheists love to read/study different theories on the cosmos.

 

[GojuBrian]

How is it steroe typical when I solely address athesit who believe in evolution?

I purposefully left out atheist who DO NOT believe in evolution. Reread my entire post instead of just the title.

a⋅the⋅ist  /ˈeɪθiɪst/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ey-thee-ist]

noun a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Synonyms:
Atheist, agnostic, infidel, skeptic refer to persons not inclined toward religious belief or a particular form of religious belief. An atheist is one who denies the existence of a deity or of divine beings. An agnostic is one who believes it impossible to know anything about God or about the creation of the universe and refrains from commitment to any religious doctrine. Infidel means an unbeliever, especially a nonbeliever in Islam or Christianity. A skeptic doubts and is critical of all accepted doctrines and creeds

A buddist is clearly not an atheist.

BTW, many christians have a love for science, but remain loyal to christianity. Your last point is void.

 

[VaultZero4Me]

hmm. I did misread the top portion. My apologizes. Just woke up lol.

1. Many Buddhists are atheists.

2. The majority of Christians involved in the life sciences subscribe to evolution.

 

[GojuBrian]

hmm. I did misread the top portion. My apologizes. Just woke up lol.

1. Many Buddhists are atheists.

2. The majority of Christians involved in the life sciences subscribe to evolution.

1. How can that be given the definition?

2. Prove it.

Grab some coffee first.

 

[animal]

I'm a naturalist, a biologist, and I also study a good bit of geology. Evolution by natural selection is obviously the best NATURAL, OBSERVABLE, EXPERIMENTALLY VERIFIABLE explanation for life as we know it. Is it my God? That doesn't even make sense.

And as has been already said many theists are also "evolutionists" and many atheists or nonreligious don't really care about science and don't really have an opinion on evolution. I do believe though, if given enough time studying basic life science they would realize they are naturalists and agree with me that evolution is the best explanation we have.

 

[animal]

A buddist is clearly not an atheist.

Are you serious?

BTW, many christians have a love for science, but remain loyal to christianity. Your last point is void.

It is unfortunate that people like [I cant remember his name] of the Discovery Institute has been quoted saying he first studied biology in an attempt to bring down evolution.

 

[Gabe]

Vault is correct; Many Buddhists are atheists.

 

[lovely]

Brian,

I think the 'god' of unbelief would be self.

 

[Silver Bullet]

Brian,

I think the 'god' of unbelief would be self.

This is a common misconception that implies that atheists are self-centered, or selfish.

How 'bout no God?

Just because, as theists, you believe in a God, doesn't mean everyone has to have an equivalent.

I'm perfectly fine with the natural world and so far, I haven't seen any good reason to believe in anything else. I don't think of myself as a god, and I certainly don't think of evolution as my god (which, as animal said, doesn't even make sense). I don't need a God to motivate or inspire me to altruism.

SB

 

[lovely]

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Brian,

I think the 'god' of unbelief would be self.

This is a common misconception that implies that atheists are self-centered, or selfish.

How 'bout no God?

Just because, as theists, you believe in a God, doesn't mean everyone has to have an equivalent.

I'm perfectly fine with the natural world and so far, I haven't seen any good reason to believe in anything else. I don't think of myself as a god, and I certainly don't think of evolution as my god (which, as animal said, doesn't even make sense). I don't need a God to motivate or inspire me to altruism.

SB

Silver Bullet,

If you notice, I didn't even mention atheists in my post. There are two categories in my opinion, those who believe on Jesus Christ, and those who don't. The idea of self, as I mean it here, is that somehow we can be good ourselves apart from God, or in the case of other religions, that we must work our way to God with our good works. Only God is holy and good, and man's nature is sinful. It's not a comparison of men, except in philosophy, but it is a comparison between man's nature and God's.

On a personal note, I absolutely need God to motivate me and inspire me to alturism.

The Lord bless you.

 

[Evointrinsic]

I have never met or known of an atheist that was not an evolutionist.

I don't want to generalize because I want to be accurate, so I'll only speak of those atheist who do believe in evolution.

Is evolution the god of these atheist? They study evolution relentlessly so they can defend evolution against any belief,the bible,etc....to the hilt!! They wish for everyone to be as intellectual as they believe they are for believeing evolution.

I truly believe evolution is the god of these atheist.

I believe if this pursuit went into James,Daniel, or certain books of the Bible, they just may have second thoughts.

Goju, you just know i was going to respond to this one. haha. ok, well there isnt much else to say franky, virtually everyone else (in this topic) agrees that atheists, even the ones who believe in and study evolution, dont view it as a god. That would mean they are not atheists ;) (but i know what your trying to get at :D)

I can explain that Buddhist thing. Most Buddhists actually dont believe in a god. Buddha never said he was a god (although some Buddhists do think of him as a god). But in actuality Most Buddhists are Atheists because they dont believe Buddha to be a god. A.K.A Godless

Some atheists also study Astronomy vigorously and endlessly. Does this mean there is a Astronomism religion? no

Some Atheists also study Physics, some only study Physics. Does this mean these people are a part of a Physicism religion? no

And some Atheists study Meteorology. Does this mean these Atheists are not Atheists at all, but follow the gods of Meteorologism? I'll let you answer that one.

The thing that Physics, Meteorology, Astronomy and even Evolution have in common is that they are all forms of Science. Anyone can study or believe in them without blaspheme because none of them require a god to believe in, nor do they go against the word of god as they are all natural instances that humans simply have attempted to explain.


The strangest thing i come to notice is why (hopefully) everyone accepts the Gravity Theory but not the Theory of Evolution. Why it's strange to me is because there is actually less evidence for the Theory of Gravity than there is for the Theory of Evolution.

 

[Silver Bullet]

Silver Bullet,

If you notice, I didn't even mention atheists in my post. There are two categories in my opinion, those who believe on Jesus Christ, and those who don't. The idea of self, as I mean it here, is that somehow we can be good ourselves apart from God, or in the case of other religions, that we must work our way to God with our good works. Only God is holy and good, and man's nature is sinful. It's not a comparison of men, except in philosophy, but it is a comparison between man's nature and God's.

lovely,

Thanks for clarifying. That is a mouthful of meaning to all trickle out of the word 'self'.

Having said that, I still have no idea what you mean.

Best,
SB

 

[Solo]

Silver Bullet,

If you notice, I didn't even mention atheists in my post. There are two categories in my opinion, those who believe on Jesus Christ, and those who don't. The idea of self, as I mean it here, is that somehow we can be good ourselves apart from God, or in the case of other religions, that we must work our way to God with our good works. Only God is holy and good, and man's nature is sinful. It's not a comparison of men, except in philosophy, but it is a comparison between man's nature and God's.

lovely,

Thanks for clarifying. That is a mouthful of meaning to all trickle out of the word 'self'.

Having said that, I still have no idea what you mean.

Best,
SB

Simply put. All who deny the existence of God Almighty are too selfish to submit to any other god other than themselves. This is the nature of the natural man; a non-spiritual entity lost and bound for an eternity without God Almighty.

 

[Evointrinsic]

As unbelievable as it may seem. People can indeed live without a perception of god, even in ones self.

 

[GojuBrian]

Thank you for all the replies and the buddist/atheist information.


My statement cannot be unequivocally true,so I have to withdraw it. Not all atheist that believe in evolution use it as their god. We do all worship something though.

I believe god puts the 'desire to seek' deep within us. We all look for answers. This ultimately leads us to some sort of conclusion. Hopefully,God revaels himself to us and this leads us to Him as I believe he intended. We all seek something to worship.

 

[Solo]

As unbelievable as it may seem. People can indeed live without a perception of god, even in ones self.

Who determines what is right and wrong in their lives for those who have no perception of god?

 

[lovely]

Silver Bullet,

If you notice, I didn't even mention atheists in my post. There are two categories in my opinion, those who believe on Jesus Christ, and those who don't. The idea of self, as I mean it here, is that somehow we can be good ourselves apart from God, or in the case of other religions, that we must work our way to God with our good works. Only God is holy and good, and man's nature is sinful. It's not a comparison of men, except in philosophy, but it is a comparison between man's nature and God's.

lovely,

Thanks for clarifying. That is a mouthful of meaning to all trickle out of the word 'self'.

Having said that, I still have no idea what you mean.

Best,
SB

SB,

Sorry, it did occur to me later in the evening that I am not being very clear with you in either post. I was writing with the idea that you would catch my meaning...I forgot I was in the apologetics section. :D

I figured Brian, being a believer, would understand about 'self'. See, the Word tells us to deny our 'self', die to our 'self', because Jesus did this. He submitted Himself to the Father for the sake of becoming a Sacrificial Lamb that would be slain for our sin. We are to submit to the Father and be willing to let His will be done in our lives for the sake of His Kingdom..."not my will, but Thine..." Prior to belief in Christ, we live apart from this and see our 'self' as good and our only authority...we walk by our own will and we feel worthy to do so. (I don't believe this is actually true, but I believe it's what we think we are doing. The reality is that we walk in deception, because we have a distorted view of God and His good creation. Anyway...) When we are born again in Christ, we submit to God's will because when we 'see' God we come to recognize our own sin condition...we look a lot like Evointrinsic's avatar ;). We also begin to realize that we have been deceived, and that Jesus offers Truth. Remember the prophet Isaiah, "Woe is me for I am undone..." he could not stand in the presence of God without recognizing his own sin and unworthy condition.

If I had not had my eyes opened to 'see' God, and come to love and fear Him, I would be walking in this world very differently, because I certainly wouldn't see my 'self' as sinful or in a needy condition. I would not see God as my Creator, or as the Authority over me that will one day be my Judge. I wouldn't see God as Holy and the only source of good, because I wouldn't see God at all. My life here would be a 'self' walk...a man-centered view based on the idea that man is naturally good. A person who is not ruled by God is ruled by 'self'. I hope I have been more clear.

The Lord bless you.

 

[Evointrinsic]

Who determines what is right and wrong in their lives for those who have no perception of god?

I do not speak for all atheists when i give this answer, but my personal view on life is; seeing how it is our only one (from what i can tell), I might as well make the best of it.

Take piranas for a great moral example. They seem fairly viscous and threatening. They become entranced at the site of food and tare it up quickly and violently. Yet, for some reason they dont kill each other. They dont believe in or worship a god, yet they understand that not killing each other is better then killing each other. If there is no supernatural force forbidding them to do whatever they want that they believe in, then how can they prevent themselves from doing those things?

Morals specifically relate to the behavior of individuals within societies.

If i was brought up in a family (who was also brought up) in a place where we were the only people and there were no laws we knew of or religions we knew of, does that mean we will be terrible people? no.

These are actual statistics, not simply my own, I can link you to all the survays (there for i am not committing blaspheme or intentionally insulting anyone)

The true fact is that the safest countries in the world are also those with the largest amount of atheists (that is a true fact by the way). Another true fact is that the vast majority of people in prison believe in god. less then .3% of people in american prisons are atheist. which makes 99.7% of people who are Theists. The largest group of criminals in prison are Catholic at over 39% of the population in prison.

In fact, your holy book tells you to literally kill me (an atheist). Personally i am thankful that most christians dont follow this (regardless if they are told to by the Bible). I trust your morality will withhold you from killing me.

You dont have to think about the properties of a stable society long to realize it is impossible to have stable society without certain morals. The most obvious example, of course, is if you go around killing other members of society. The society would not propagate effectively and there would not be a stable society. This is largely true, whether it be wolfs, Apes, Big Cats, Killer Whales, Piranhas or People. Trust is generally the same. For instance, wolfs will pool caring for their cubs, but dont eat each other just because no one else is looking. Where is the moral code-giver their that they follow?

So if you have a stable society then you also have morals within that society. The property is intrinsic, just as four corners are intrinsic to a square.

Good is usually defined as things that benefit society where as evils usually detrimental to. Evils usually involves putting ones personal gain over the rest of society.

So then where do morals originate from? Well depending on the environment they could simply be a selective pressure that favors the survival of animals that cooperate. In such cases, only the animals that cooperate will survive. Cooperation is observed in many species, and in certain environments wields a significant advantage.

So evolution provides a simple, naturalistic formation of morality.

Lovely:

When we are born again in Christ, we submit to God's will because when we 'see' God we come to recognize our own sin condition...we look a lot like Evointrinsic's avatar

Nice :D hahaha

 

[Guest]

They dont believe in or worship a god, yet they understand that not killing each other is better then killing each other.

This is a rather contentious statement. What evidence is there to show Piranha are capable of moral reasoning? Are there any cases in which moral reasoning has been observed in a species other than our own? How do we know the actions were the result of moral reasoning?

For other readers. The argument being presented is that moral reasoning is natural, and as a consequence God is unnecessary to explain morality.