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The fear of God

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How many of us have heard the term; The fear of the Lord?

As I sat in Church yesrterday pondering The false teaching of 7th day adventice, JW, New agers, It dawned on me.

Without the fear of Hell, there is no fear of the Lord.
With out the fear of Hell, Christians would not have heaven to look forward to.
I praise God with all my heart that I have heaven to look forward to.

Is is possible to believe in heaven, but not hell?
What does the bible say about this?
What does eternal Life mean?
What does is mean to recieve the crown of life?
What is the fear of the Lord?

Things to ponder..
 
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Is hades a proper subject to be discussed from the pulpit? Should men be warned against entering that place? If in this life we are under obligation to warn our neighbors against dangers ahead, should we not warn them against those they face in the next world? The number of years granted us in this life are pitifully few, and eternity stretches out infinitely long. Why should mankind be concerned only with those brief years to the ignoring of the endless years on the other side of time?


May God bless, golfjack
 
Jack
You are exactly right and bring up some very, very good points.
Jonathan Edwards and I could name many other preachers preached more of Hell, far more than heaven. Why do you or anyone suppose this is? :-?
 
On a personal note: I don't think anyone can truly fear God or know the wrathful side of Him without having an understanding of His Holiness. I've heard it said that the terror of the Lord is His holiness. A rarely preached topic.

"WALKING IN THE FEAR OF THE LORD"
taken from.....
http://www.ccel.org/contrib/exec_outlin ... ac9_31.htm



1. In writing about the early church, Luke recorded:

"Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and
Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and
in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied." (Ac 9:31)

Note that they were "walking in the fear of the Lord"!

2. In writing to the church at Philippi, Paul told them:

"Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my
presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own
salvation with fear and trembling;" (Ph 2:12)

3. The concept of "fear and trembling" in connection with God is not a
popular concept today
a. People prefer to hear about God's love, longsuffering and mercy
b. Sometimes, when we point out God's righteous indignation,
holiness, and justice, people reply "My God is not like that!"

4. The emphasis on God's love and mercy today is probably an reaction
to the "hell, fire, and brimstone" preaching of another generation

5. But could it be that we have gone to other extreme?
a. Where there is no concept of "fear and trembling" as it relates
to the Christian?
b. Could this be why many Christians are apathetic in their service?
c. Could it be we have forgotten Whom we should fear if we are
negligent in our service? - cf. Mt 10:28

6. In this lesson, I hope to accomplish three things:
a. Define the "fear of the Lord"
b. Point out why the "fear of the Lord" is important to the
Christian
c. Suggest how we can develop a healthy "fear of the Lord" without
going to one extreme or the other

[We begin by...]

I. DEFINING THE "FEAR OF THE LORD"

A. THE WORD "FEAR"...
1. In the Hebrew, the word is "YIR'AH" and is used in the Old
Testament to describe:
a. fear, terror
b. awesome or terrifying thing (object causing fear)
c. fear (of God), respect, reverence, piety
2. The Greek word is "PHOBOS", and it is used to describe:
a. fear, dread, terror
b. that which strikes terror

B. IN CONNECTION WITH THE "FEAR OF THE LORD", IT IS OFTEN DEFINED AS
"REVERENCE" OR "AWE"...
1. Which is fine as far as it goes...
2. But I wonder if this definition truly goes far enough...
3. For though the terms "reverence" and "awe" imply a place for
"trembling", do most people make the connection?

C. THE "FEAR OF THE LORD" SHOULD INCLUDE A PLACE FOR "TREMBLING"!
1. Even as Paul indicated in Ph 2:12, by combining "fear and
trembling"
2. The Greek word for "trembling" is "TROMOS" and means "a
trembling or quaking with fear"
3. Just as one would likely tremble in the presence of one who
could take our life, so Jesus taught us to fear the Lord
- Mt 10:28

D. A PROPER "FEAR OF THE LORD" WOULD THEN INCLUDE...
1. "reverence and awe..."
2. "being afraid to offend God in any way" - HENDRICKSEN
3. A trembling and quaking if one knows they have offended God
and have not obtained forgiveness! - cf. He 10:26-27, 30-31;
12:28-29

[The value of such an attitude is seen as we continue on and now
notice...]

II. THE IMPORTANCE OF THE "FEAR OF THE LORD"

A. FROM THE BOOK OF PROVERBS, WE LEARN...
1. The "fear of the Lord" is the beginning of knowledge - Pr 1:7
2. The "fear of the Lord" will cause one to hate evil - Pr 8:13
3. The "fear of the Lord" will prolong life - Pr 10:27
4. The "fear of the Lord" provides strong confidence and is a
fountain of life - Pr 14:26-27
5. The "fear of the Lord" prompts one to depart from evil - Pr
16:6
6. The "fear of the Lord" leads to a satisfying life, and spares
one from much evil - Pr 19:23
7. The "fear of the Lord" is the way to riches, honor, and life!
- Pr 22:4

B. WITHOUT THE "FEAR OF THE LORD"...
1. We close ourselves to the treasures of God's wisdom and
knowledge!
2. We will flirt with evil and be corrupted by it
3. Our lives are likely to be shortened by our refusal to heed
God's word (e.g., suffering sexually transmitted diseases
because we did not heed His Word on sexual relationships)
4. We will not come to know the love of God that gives us
assurance and confidence of our salvation
5. When fallen into sin, we will not be motivated to repent and
turn to God!
6. We will not be motivated to truly "work out our own
salvation"!

[Without the "fear of the Lord", we cannot please God (cf. Is 66:1-2).
Only the person who "trembles at His Word" has God's promise to receive
His tender mercy! (cf. Ps 103:17-18).

But how does one develop the proper "fear of the Lord" without going to
the extreme of earlier generations?]

III. DEVELOPING THE "FEAR OF THE LORD"

A. THE "FEAR OF THE LORD" COMES THROUGH THE WORD OF GOD!
1. Just as "faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of
God" (Ro 10:17), the same can be said for the "fear of the
Lord"!
2. Notice Deu 31:10-13, where the children of Israel were told
to gather every seven years to read and hear the Word...
3. The purpose? "...that they may learn to fear the Lord"!
4. As one reads the Word of God, they should gain a healthy
degree of the "fear of the Lord"
a. Consider the words of Paul in Ro 2:4-11
b. Or how about the words of Peter in 2 Pe 3:7-14

B. THE WORD OF GOD, PROPERLY USED, WILL MAINTAIN A PROPER BALANCE...
1. It is important to emphasize, however, that to avoid extremes,
we must read ALL of God's Word
a. Some read only those portions will reveal God's love and
mercy, and have no "fear of the Lord"
b. Others emphasize the "fire, hell and brimstone" passages,
and know nothing of God's everlasting lovingkindness
c. The one develops an attitude of permissiveness that
belittles God's holiness and justice
d. The other develops a psychosis of terror that forgets God's
grace and compassion
2. Even in the passages noted above, the context of each speaks
much of God's grace and forgiveness for those who will repent!
3. So we must be careful how we use the Word of God, but use it
we must!

CONCLUSION

1. The Psalmist said...

"God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to
be had in reverence of all [them that are] about him." (Psalms 89:7)

2. Why do we need to "fear the Lord"? So we will be sure to "work out
our salvation with fear and trembling"!

3. The warning is necessary, for as it is written in Hebrews:

"Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left [us] of entering
into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto
us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word
preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them
that heard [it]." (Hebrews 4:1-2)

And again...

"Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall
after the same example of unbelief." (Hebrews 4:11)

4. With the proper "fear of the Lord", we will "work out our
salvation", we will "labour...to enter into that [heavenly] rest"!

"Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse
ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting
holiness in the fear of God." (2 Co 7:1)

Are you "perfecting holiness in the fear of God"?
 
As I sat in Church yesrterday pondering The false teaching of 7th day adventice, JW, New agers, It dawned on me.

Adventists believe in a literal hell.....

They just dont believe in your false doctrine of eternal life in hell for sinners!!!!!!!
 
I have questioned Seventh-day Adventist teachings for years and I still do. Not that I necessarily believe their teachings are not scripturally sound for the most part. I question everything and I believe we all should.

What I HAVE determined from all my years of questioning, however, is that traditionalist Christianity is so far off the mark with ITS teaching on major doctrines that it should perhaps delete itself, push the undo/redo button, or simply start again.

Just a thought.
 
The fear of the Lord is not something given to the world to make become 'christians'. The fear of the Lord is given to those who know the Lord. Without it, there is no wisdom and knowledge.

And . . . Jesus had the spirit of the fear of the Lord.
 
You have to ask which YOU would rather hear: That if you don't accept Christ you will be cut off from for eternity or That is you do accept Christ that you will spend eternity with God.
Use it every day life- a person is standing in the rain, someone tells him that if he stays outside, he will be soaked and cold and another person tells him that if he goes inside he can be warm and comfortable. Which one would you most like to hear, both statements are true.
It depends on each individual person and we have to have discernment on what each person will respond better to. Only God can give us that discernent.
8-)
 
ChristineES said:
You have to ask which YOU would rather hear: That if you don't accept Christ you will be cut off from for eternity or That is you do accept Christ that you will spend eternity with God.
Use it every day life- a person is standing in the rain, someone tells him that if he stays outside, he will be soaked and cold and another person tells him that if he goes inside he can be warm and comfortable. Which one would you most like to hear, both statements are true.
It depends on each individual person and we have to have discernment on what each person will respond better to. Only God can give us that discernent.
8-)

However, between the outside and the inside is a doorway. You can only get inside if the door is opened for you.
 
Hello Christine and mutz... I agree with both of you guys posts, please know I only posted what I did because of the topic title.

It usually is the goodness of God which brings repentance.


Sputnick said..
I have questioned Seventh-day Adventist teachings for years and I still do. Not that I necessarily believe their teachings are not scripturally sound for the most part. I question everything and I believe we all should.

What I HAVE determined from all my years of questioning, however, is that traditionalist Christianity is so far off the mark with ITS teaching on major doctrines that it should perhaps delete itself, push the undo/redo button, or simply start again.

Just a thought.
I'm not trying to pick a fight with you sputnick, I feel that you and I get along quite well when we stick to non spiritual issues, like for instance, the weather. :D

But.... I have to tell you that I arrived at my beliefs through a personal relationship with Jesus, and my own bible study.
I was unchurched before I started going to a very nontraditional church.
Same with alot of people who believe in a literal Hell.

I find the irony in what you're saying in the fact that all of the adventists on this forum believe in annihilation. I don't believe its just a coincidence that all of you guys believe the same.
You were taught this doctrine first, you believed it for yourselves after the fact.
I didn't even know what a creed was until I joined this forum, thats how nontraditional I am.
The doctrine of a literal Hell isn't just a 'tradionalist' belief, theres thousands of others who don't fit that mold yet simply see the same thing because of what we see in scripture. I personally don't feel it needs interpreting, just believing.
I'm not trying to debate that subject again, i'm just setting the record straight because of what you stated above.
 
Destiny - incase you're wondering about me, I'm not adventist.

I have not been taught the things I stand on, by any denomination. Like you, God, in his grace and mercy has revealed certain things to me over the course of the time that I have known Him. Some has come in reading scripture. Some by direct revelation to my spirit. Some through another man of God. Some through personal experience. But the one consistency in all, is the Spirit of God which my spirit witnesses to.
 
mutzrein said:
Destiny - incase you're wondering about me, I'm not adventist.

I have not been taught the things I stand on, by any denomination. Like you, God, in his grace and mercy has revealed certain things to me over the course of the time that I have known Him. Some has come in reading scripture. Some by direct revelation to my spirit. Some through another man of God. Some through personal experience. But the one consistency in all, is the Spirit of God which my spirit witnesses to.
I know you're not adventist mutz, the difference that I see in our beliefs is that I believe all the wicked will be sentenced; not just the ones who once knew and then turned away.
Yes, God uses so many avenues to build our foundations; And He is able to make His own stand on that day. I'm glad He has more mercy than we have for each other!
 
destiny said:
I know you're not adventist mutz, the difference that I see in our beliefs is that I believe all the wicked will be sentenced; not just the ones who once knew and then turned away.
Yes, God uses so many avenues to build our foundations; And He is able to make His own stand on that day. I'm glad He has more mercy than we have for each other!

Ah yes - that's right. Do I have an outstanding post to you in that regard somewhere? I think I've overlooked it. Do you recall what thread? :-?
 
Destiny
I know you and I don't always see eye to eye, but 'EVERYTHING'' you have said in this post is very good!!!! :-)
 
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Despite the lack of belief in a literal Hell, the imagery and symbolism of Hell is used a lot in Satanic writings and art. Satanism does not accept the later Christian mutations of the original concept of hell as a non-symbolic place. Therefore, Satanism accepts hell only in symbolism. The imagery is used to inspire and to create emotional responses.

In Anton LaVey's list of Infernal Names there are a few who are related to concepts of Hell.

Bilé - Celtic god of Hell
Emma-O - Japanese ruler of Hell
Hecate - Greek goddess of the underworld and witchcraft
Mania - Etruscan goddess of Hell
Mantus - Etruscan god of Hell
Nergal - Babylonian god of Hades
Tezcatlipoca - Aztec god of Hell
Yaotzin - Aztec god of Hell
Yen-Lo-Wang - Chinese ruler of Hell


Satanic imagery frequently uses Hell as a place where power is obtained, where powerful demonic forces are called from and where our impurities are cleansed. The Christian medieval exciting and grand artistic portrayals of Hell are accepted within Satanism as powerful imagery, although Satanism itself does not believe in any form of afterlife and therefore does not believe in any form of Hell. Hell is sometimes used as a symbolic place where power, demonic forces and strength comes from, and is sometimes jokingly considered a place where stupid people and religious sheep are punished. If something is from hell it is normally considered powerful and good, but something in Hell is normally considered to be suffering. There is no consistent usage of the term because Satanists use various other religions concepts of Hell.

Why do I say all this?? Because I have been labeled a "tradionalist" I own the Satanic Bible, I have it on my shelf right in front of me as I write this. I was a Satanist for many years, I want you to understand my previous concept of Hell. I was not raised in a Church where "tradionalist" were preaching to the choir. I had a whole other outlook on Hell. But after reading the Holy Bible, I cleary read and saw what I now believe, and now I'm a labeled "tradionalist" well, I'm sorry if I'm a labeled "tradionalist" but going from one extreme Satanism to another Christianty. I see no other clear view on Hell. And not one thing has anyone said, on ANY of these post, from any of these threads, has clearly proved to me that I should believe in anything different then the labeled "tradionalist." Just my $0.02
 
Atone. May I ask how you came to know the Lord? If you've posted it elsewhere point me in the right direction.

Thanks
 
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Wow, my testimony is unique in a sense. I was a Satanist for 5yrs (I call my dark years), I won't go into the details on the things I did as a Satanist. Some things are best left unknown. I hope you understand.
I was using alot of drugs, mainly LSD because it was used for rituals, another aspect I stay away from in telling others about my testimony. But the year was 1991' the month was April. I was at a party, at that time my life was a party, my father died when I was a young boy.. Killed by a drunk driver. I was brought into manhood very quickly. Anyway, I was at a party and I was stoned on many drugs and drinking God knows what that night. Anyway at this party, a friend of my came up to me and invited me to another party. I accepted it, I loved to party, I loved the women, I loved the lifestyle. I took with me three Budweisers and we headed out the door. We came to a park. Cars were parked everywhere, they had a live band etc. Anyway I walk into this park/party with two budweisers in my hands, and I was so stoned/drunk I did not notice it was nothing but familes. But the eyes were on me. I showed up in a Slayer -Hell Awaits- T-Shirt on. I had long hair and all that good stuff. This man who now I found out is on TBN 'Dwight Thompson' came up to me, took one look and laid his hands on me. Now was it the drugs? The Alcohol? I have no idea, time kinda went by real fast, but in a moment. I mean that moment, I came back from I guess what was a blackout and was cold straight. I mean COLD straight, I looked around and said to my friend "What's Up?" He had his hands on me also, that night I was asked if I wanted to know the Lord Jesus Christ. I accept Christ that night. I never returned to my other Church, infact I moved out of that area of town, and I never touched drugs again. Anyway that's my testimony, I know I have left many things out, But that's the just (short) of it anyway..
 
Atonement said:
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Despite the lack of belief in a literal Hell, the imagery and symbolism of Hell is used a lot in Satanic writings and art. Satanism does not accept the later Christian mutations of the original concept of hell as a non-symbolic place. Therefore, Satanism accepts hell only in symbolism. The imagery is used to inspire and to create emotional responses.

In Anton LaVey's list of Infernal Names there are a few who are related to concepts of Hell.

Bilé - Celtic god of Hell
Emma-O - Japanese ruler of Hell
Hecate - Greek goddess of the underworld and witchcraft
Mania - Etruscan goddess of Hell
Mantus - Etruscan god of Hell
Nergal - Babylonian god of Hades
Tezcatlipoca - Aztec god of Hell
Yaotzin - Aztec god of Hell
Yen-Lo-Wang - Chinese ruler of Hell


Satanic imagery frequently uses Hell as a place where power is obtained, where powerful demonic forces are called from and where our impurities are cleansed. The Christian medieval exciting and grand artistic portrayals of Hell are accepted within Satanism as powerful imagery, although Satanism itself does not believe in any form of afterlife and therefore does not believe in any form of Hell. Hell is sometimes used as a symbolic place where power, demonic forces and strength comes from, and is sometimes jokingly considered a place where stupid people and religious sheep are punished. If something is from hell it is normally considered powerful and good, but something in Hell is normally considered to be suffering. There is no consistent usage of the term because Satanists use various other religions concepts of Hell.

Why do I say all this?? Because I have been labeled a "tradionalist" I own the Satanic Bible, I have it on my shelf right in front of me as I write this. I was a Satanist for many years, I want you to understand my previous concept of Hell. I was not raised in a Church where "tradionalist" were preaching to the choir. I had a whole other outlook on Hell. But after reading the Holy Bible, I cleary read and saw what I now believe, and now I'm a labeled "tradionalist" well, I'm sorry if I'm a labeled "tradionalist" but going from one extreme Satanism to another Christianty. I see no other clear view on Hell. And not one thing has anyone said, on ANY of these post, from any of these threads, has clearly proved to me that I should believe in anything different then the labeled "tradionalist." Just my $0.02

Can't argue with ons own tetimony. :-)
 
Can't argue with ons own tetimony

True. They must understand the man that was before and the man that is today. Walk in his shoes before they can question where he has walked. No one in this forum has walked in my shoes, and most never attempted to try on my shoes. And thank God for that.. Many don't come out and survive, and I mean that with in a literal sense. You can study up on Satanism to understand why I say this..
 
Wow! That was quite a testimony, Atonement. I am glad you didn't stay where you were but became a Christian. 8-)
 
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