Bible Study The First Book of Moses Called Genesis

[Atonement]

The First Book of Moses Called
GENESIS​

The first part of Genesis focuses on the beginning and spread of sin in the world and culminates in the devastating flood in the days of Noah. The second part of the book focuses on God's dealings with one man, Abraham, through whom God promises to bring salvation and blessing to the world. Abraham and his descendants learn firsthand that it is always safe to trust the Lord in time of famine and feasting, blessing and bondage. From Abraham ... to Isaac ... to Jacob ... to Joesph ... God's promises begin to come to fruition in a great nation possessing a great land.

Genesis is a Greek word meaning "origin," "source," "generation," or "beginning." The original Hebrew title Beresith means "In the beginning."

The literary structure of Genesis is clear and is built around eleven separate units, each including the word genealogy in the phrase "This is the genealogy" or "The book of genealogy": (1) Introduction to the genealogies (Gen 1:1-2:3); (2) Heaven and Earth (Gen 2:4-4:26); (3) Adam (Gen 5:1-6:8); (4) Noah (Gen 6:9-9:29); (5) Sons of Noah (Gen 10:1-11:9); (6) Shem (Gen 11:10-26); (7) Terah (Gen 11:27-25:11); (8) Ishmael (Gen 25:12-18); (9) Isaac (Gen 25:19-25:29); (10) Esau (Gen 36:1-37:1); (11) Jacob (Gen 37:2-50:26)

 

[jasoncran]

beersherith, means in the beggining from nothing(root word key is barah)or it can mean this. which i can see too.sherith(his way) begining begin also barah.thus the start of the torah.

genesis is at the present my favorite book. this is from a jewish commentary.

 

[Atonement]

beersherith, means in the beggining from nothing(root word key is barah)or it can mean this. which i can see too.sherith(his way) begining begin also barah.thus the start of the torah.

genesis is at the present my favorite book. this is from a jewish commentary.

Jason -

Good evening to you, I hope you are having a blessed day

I didn't know all that, thank you very much for sharing this; I'm actually taking notes of reference So I can later

 

[jasoncran]

i suggest pm ing stovebolts as he has much to say on this and also i have his book by ramban with the name of genesis/beersherith. that is where i got that from.

while im all for this. i do want to restrain myself as most gentile and jew believers , that never really dug into the torah may not understand this stuff. this of course would be rare amongst jews unless one of them is a woman. in the orthodox/ultraorthodox tradation they arent taught much on the torah. i know one my fellow soldiers is a jewess and raised in the hassidic tradition and doesnt know much of ramban.

 

[jasoncran]

ok some key things on the six day literal rendering of the book of genesis. its important to jewry and us that we take it literal(im using jewry for good reason).

first take note of the days in that creation account when they start. it says and evening and the day was the first day. kinda odd aint it. that is why the jews of lore and today do their feasts at sundown. as the sun goes down over jerusalem that is when they begin their feasts and this all started from the way God gave them week. the shabat is one day and its mentioned by moses for that reason. keep in mind that genesis is passed by oral tradition to moses and he with the experciences of exodus wrote down the book with that bias.

if jeff wants to comment he can and im sure he will.he will have much to add on what im saying.if you are a new person to the ot(tanach, particularly the torah) then let this be the start of a good foundation of what went on and what we have recieved.

 

[Atonement]

ok some key things on the six day literal rendering of the book of genesis. its important to jewry and us that we take it literal(im using jewry for good reason).

first take note of the days in that creation account when they start. it says and evening and the day was the first day. kinda odd aint it. that is why the jews of lore and today do their feasts at sundown. as the sun goes down over jerusalem that is when they begin their feasts and this all started from the way God gave them week. the shabat is one day and its mentioned by moses for that reason. keep in mind that genesis is passed by oral tradition to moses and he with the experciences of exodus wrote down the book with that bias.

if jeff wants to comment he can and im sure he will.he will have much to add on what im saying.if you are a new person to the ot(tanach, particularly the torah) then let this be the start of a good foundation of what went on and what we have recieved.

Jason -

exactly, the Jews use a lunar cycle and when we look at it from that prescriptive we see that it makes perfect sense. The feast(s) (which I will get to in my transcribed recap of Leviticus) begins at sun down which is the start of a new day.

 

[jasoncran]

they are in shemot. also ramban mentions that if we dont take the days literally then the torah and the nation of isreal have no foundation to exist. it make sense. i say this because before i read some of that book i felt the lord say to me.

in the Jewish mind the world was made for them and the days that were ordered by my creation were for them.

it may seem arrogant but if you look at the torah that way it make sense. its as if he sent up the way to communicate to the goyim and hebrews was from that language and culture.

 

[jasoncran]

shall we continue?its been some time since i went through genesis. lets learn together.

2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

if you notice that this appears to contradict the first chapter.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day

but, it doesnt as its a rehash on the second chapter. with genesis one must understand that jews dont care for the minute details like a modern historian but the story in general.

 

[Webers_Home]

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I've been a Bible student since 1968 and in all those years have yet to discover one shred of scriptural evidence verifying the theory that Moses authored Genesis. At this point; I'm convinced it is no less anonymous than the letter to Hebrews in the New Testament.

Buen Camino
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[Atonement]

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I've been a Bible student since 1968 and in all those years have yet to discover one shred of scriptural evidence verifying the theory that Moses authored Genesis. At this point; I'm convinced it is no less anonymous than the letter to Hebrews in the New Testament.

Buen Camino
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- Worthy to note

 

[jasoncran]

uh most churches and theologians dont know who wrote a great deal of books but well if you look at genesis and exodus. theres way too much to say moses didnt write it.

the fact that abraham called God YHWH cant be as moses is told that only He was told that Name of God was YHWH and all before him didnt know that name.

 

[jasoncran]

:waving:D tie in genesis one and john 1:1-14 and vs 14. that is what the pastor taught on sunday. awesome.

 

[picturingchrist]

A very interesting fact about genesis is that it covers just as much time in human history as the rest of the books of the Bible combined (up to Revelations), and that's from a Young Earth Creationist perspective! From an Old Earth perspective, Genesis covers tens of thousands of years of human history.

 

[Webers_Home]

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most churches and theologians dont know who wrote a great deal of books but well if you look at genesis and exodus. theres way too much to say moses didnt write it.

That's not evidence: that's sophistry.

the fact that abraham called God YHWH cant be as moses is told that only He was told that Name of God was YHWH and all before him didnt know that name.

Here's the passage in contention.

†. Ex 6:2-3 . . God spoke further to Moses and said to him: I am Yhvh; and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by my name Yhvh, I did not make myself known to them.

I'm going to deliberately revise a portion of that statement . Watch for the changes.

"I am Yhvh; and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but they didn't know my name is Yhvh."

No; God didn't mean the patriarchs were unaware of the name Yhvh, He meant they were unaware of the significance of that name.

God Almighty (El Shadday) is God's name in relation to His powers as a provider. But God's name Yhvh is His name in relation to His powers as a liberator. Moses was on his way to Egypt with God to rescue His people from slavery and oppression. That's a job for Yhvh. But when Sarah was barren, that was a job for El Shadday. In other words; the patriarchs weren't familiar with God as a liberator, only as a provider. Beginning with Exodus, Abraham's posterity would become familiar with God as a liberator. That's an important distinction; very important.

Buen Camino
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[jasoncran]

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That's not evidence: that's sophistry.



Here's the passage in contention.

†. Ex 6:2-3 . . God spoke further to Moses and said to him: I am Yhvh; and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by my name Yhvh, I did not make myself known to them.

I'm going to deliberately revise a portion of that statement . Watch for the changes.

"I am Yhvh; and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but they didn't know my name is Yhvh."

No; God didn't mean the patriarchs were unaware of the name Yhvh, He meant they were unaware of the significance of that name.

God Almighty (El Shadday) is God's name in relation to His powers as a provider. But God's name Yhvh is His name in relation to His powers as a liberator. Moses was on his way to Egypt with God to rescue His people from slavery and oppression. That's a job for Yhvh. But when Sarah was barren, that was a job for El Shadday. In other words; the patriarchs weren't familiar with God as a liberator, only as a provider. Beginning with Exodus, Abraham's posterity would become familiar with God as a liberator. That's an important distinction; very important.

Buen Camino
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i know that but they didnt call him by that name. if they know him as that. why is that only YHWH is used and refered to as the LORD in as the LORD God said not el-shaddai. which btw is only associated with jesus.

YHWH has meaning to that is beyond what el-shaddai means. liberator isnt what it means. unless you can show me from a jewish source.el-shaddai is associated with the messiah not the Father. el-shaddai is also the good sheppard.

i recall only these that are used in place of YHWH,
Heshem
Adonai
Elohim

off the top of my head. so if moses didnt write who did?

 

[Webers_Home]

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[Webers_Home]

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they didnt call him by that name.

Abraham called upon that name: Gen 12:8, Gen 13:4, Gen 21:33

Isaac called upon that name: Gen 25:21, Gen 26:25

God introduced Himself to Jacob by that name: Gen 28:13

Jacob spoke to that name: Gen 49:18

so if moses didnt write who did?

The author of Genesis is currently unknown. Tradition credits it to Moses; but traditions aren't eo ipso true.

A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong;
Gives it a superficial appearance of being right. -- Thomas Paine


Buen Camino
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[Atonement]

Greetings to you in the love of our Lord Jesus Christ

Webers_Home & Jason -

Tradition has it that Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible. Rather this be true or not, it does not matter. Genesis if filled with amazing stories that can be discussed. Does it matter who wrote this book? I think we can all agree in the fact that it was inspired from GOD? 2 Timothy 3:16 So rather if Moses wrote this book or another, ultimately it came from God!

God bless you this week

LJ

 

[Asyncritus]

An idea that makes sense about the authorship of Genesis is that the words :'these are the generations of...' really mark the end of someone's writing.

So 'these are the generations of Jacob' means: this is where Jacob stopped writing.

No-one could have written the account of Gen 1 and 2 besides God Himself, so we don't have an author's name, merely 'these are the generations of the heavens and the earth' instead.

This is an excellent idea, and accounts for the detail given in every account of the happenings in Genesis. For example, the number of soldiers who went with Abraham is given as 318. That's in Abraham's writing section - and he knew exactly. Don't forget that Abraham was a prophet.

The number of animals given to Esau is 550, and the breakdown is exactly specified - how? Because Jacob himself wrote the record, and knew the figures.

And so on.

I very much favour this approach, instead of the stupid suggestions by the theologians that Abraham didn't exist, that Moses couldn't write, that the flood is a fiction, and heaven only knows what they say about Adam and Eve and the serpent.

I would leave Ramban and whoever else strictly alone till you've wrestled with the text for yourself, asking your own questions and finding your own answers.

You'll learn a lot more that way - because God intended the book for the ordinary person, not the excruciatingly learned and wise. Jesus had no time for them, and neither did any of the other NT writers.

So why should you?

 

[chakham]

I would leave Ramban and whoever else strictly alone till you've wrestled with the text for yourself, asking your own questions and finding your own answers.

You'll learn a lot more that way - because God intended the book for the ordinary person, not the excruciatingly learned and wise. Jesus had no time for them, and neither did any of the other NT writers.

So why should you?

Well said, I think about the commandment that Gods Instruction was to be read to the whole congregation of Israel INCLUDING the children. No real need to have masters of divinity degree. Since what is written and to be read even a child is expected to understand it.


Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and your stranger who is inside your gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear YHVH your God, and take care to do all the words of this Torah;
And that their children, who have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear YHVH your God, as long as you live in the land to which you go over the Jordan to possess.