[_ Old Earth _] The first living animal

[Heidi]

Newsflash: The first living animal to exist on the earth got here somehow. So how do evolutionists explain it? :o So if the first animal had to just appear on the earth, then why do they not believe that humans appeared in the same way? Thank you.

 

[ArtGuy]

Newsflash: The first living animal to exist on the earth got here somehow. So how do evolutionists explain it? :o So if the first animal had to just appear on the earth, then why do they not believe that humans appeared in the same way? Thank you.

*rolls saving throw to avoid being sucked into debate*

*fails*

First of all, evolution doesn't explain how the first living creature got here.

Second of all, the first living creature would've been very, very simple. Less complex than even a cell, likely. Assuming that some form of abiogenesis is accurate (which I don't, but just for the sake of discussion), it would be much easier for a few proteins and similar molecules to clump together than for a complete human being to just appear out of nothingness.

 

[peace4all]

I definately can see things clumping, Much more than "POOF!"


I don't understand, How a pretty believable theory, gets less credit than Magic.

 

[Late_Cretaceous]

Heidi

Who was the very first person to speak French?
Who was the very first person to speak English?

Remember Heidi, these languages developed within the span of recorded history, so don't quote the Tower of Babel.

 

[ArtGuy]

I don't understand, How a pretty believable theory, gets less credit than Magic.

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Hey, Magic deserves serious credit. It's an awesome game.

 

[peace4all]

haha, I used to play when I was liek 13-16 lol. good stuff.

 

[Heidi]

Newsflash: The first living animal to exist on the earth got here somehow. So how do evolutionists explain it? :o So if the first animal had to just appear on the earth, then why do they not believe that humans appeared in the same way? Thank you.

*rolls saving throw to avoid being sucked into debate*

*fails*

First of all, evolution doesn't explain how the first living creature got here.

Second of all, the first living creature would've been very, very simple. Less complex than even a cell, likely. Assuming that some form of abiogenesis is accurate (which I don't, but just for the sake of discussion), it would be much easier for a few proteins and similar molecules to clump together than for a complete human being to just appear out of nothingness.

:o In case you didn't know this, animals are composed of cells. So your imagination is working overtime, friend.

 

[Heidi]

Heidi

Who was the very first person to speak French?
Who was the very first person to speak English?

Remember Heidi, these languages developed within the span of recorded history, so don't quote the Tower of Babel.

You didn't answer the question of how the first living animal appeared on the earth because there is no explanation for it that fits into man's definiton of logic or there would be one. So again, why couldn't man have appeared the same way as the first living animal?

 

[peace4all]

Because, If man appeared the first way as the other animals, then that would 100% disprove the bible, and you would get angry and ignore the topic until you found somethign else to post on...

 

[Heidi]

Because, If man appeared the first way as the other animals, then that would 100% disprove the bible, and you would get angry and ignore the topic until you found somethign else to post on...

:o How would that disprove the bible? The bible says that God created man separately from the animals, so man did just simply appear on the earth! So if you have to lie to make a point, friend, then you have no point at all.

 

[peace4all]

Everytime you argue, You compeltley deny ANYTHING unl;ess it says it 100% in the bible. It doesn't matter how much proof people provide, you deny or ignore EVERYTHING.

Science shows that complex organisms cannot be created in seconds, it takes millions of years. When you can fuse proteins and things together, and eventualy they become living organisms, it goes to show that, Either Man IS God, or God Didn't do what the writeers of the bible claim.

 

[Late_Cretaceous]

Heidi, my whole point is that there was no "first organism" anymore then there was a "first Frenchman".

 

[Heidi]

Heidi, my whole point is that there was no "first organism" anymore then there was a "first Frenchman".

So how did animals appear on this planet? :o You are evading this issue because you have no human explanation for it. But the fact is, that animals and humans exist and we got here somehow. Either God created them all at once as the bible says, or he created 2 animals, male and female who bred offspring. So you're still evading the question of how animals got on earth just like evolutionists evade it. But once they address that question, they will get more answers about the origin of man than they have now.

 

[Late_Cretaceous]

So how did animals appear on this planet?

Through the process of evolution.

 

[CrazyTech]

Evolution does suggest how animals came about on this earth though the process is oversimplified. First off, nonliving matter cannot create living matter even with the help of scientists at this point. Somewhere, some way, this had to be changed in order for the first living things to exist.

Now we move on to the complete complexity of organisms. It isn't a matter of a few of these or a few of those coming together. It's a matter of much more complex numbers.

This is a purely numerical model but let's take the human body's bones for a second. There are 206 bones in the human body. 206! (factoral) is the number of possibilities of organization for the bones. This comes to 10 to the 388th power - quite a large number.

Now translate this to other complex structures (even in the smallest form) and you're talking numbers that are substantially larger because of the makeup.

 

[Guest]

Newsflash: The first living animal to exist on the earth got here somehow. So how do evolutionists explain it? :o So if the first animal had to just appear on the earth, then why do they not believe that humans appeared in the same way? Thank you.

a spicies similar to plants but with the qualitys of a simple animal diverged into two spicies over time, one an animal and the other a plant, humans did come about the same way, only alot farther down the road.

 

[reznwerks]

either

Heidi, my whole point is that there was no "first organism" anymore then there was a "first Frenchman".

So how did animals appear on this planet? :o You are evading this issue because you have no human explanation for it. But the fact is, that animals and humans exist and we got here somehow. Either God created them all at once as the bible says, or he created 2 animals, male and female who bred offspring. So you're still evading the question of how animals got on earth just like evolutionists evade it. But once they address that question, they will get more answers about the origin of man than they have now.

Well which is it Heidi? Either God created them all at once like the bible says or you feel free to insert your own acceptable solution. You still have failed to include the most likely scenario and the one that has the most evidence and that is evolution. We still don't know what caused this all to occur in the first place but again not knowing the answer is not evidence of God. It means that there are answers waiting to be found.

 

[CrazyTech]

uh, yes it does, do you know anything about evolution, or how it works? scientists have preformed experiments, using simple compounds that existed 3 billion years ago and have combined them into simple organic coumponds using enviromental conditions similar to those that existed then.

That's news to my ears - got some links for us?

I also will make note that no scientist has produced living matter from nonliving matter though many have tried. It has also never occured in recorded history.

 

[Heidi]

uh, yes it does, do you know anything about evolution, or how it works? scientists have preformed experiments, using simple compounds that existed 3 billion years ago and have combined them into simple organic coumponds using enviromental conditions similar to those that existed then.

That's news to my ears - got some links for us?

I also will make note that no scientist has produced living matter from nonliving matter though many have tried. It has also never occured in recorded history.

Some people will go to bizarre lengths to try to deny the existence of God. It's called desperation.

 

[Late_Cretaceous]

What exactly is the difference between non living matter and living matter. If I eat a steak (non living, even though I like my steak rare sometimes), it is converted to living matter once absorbed by my body.