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The first worshippers of Christ were pagan sorcerers!

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Soma-Sight

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1After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi[a] from the east came to Jerusalem 2and asked, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him."

THESE THREE "WISE-MEN" COME FROM THE ROOT WORD OF "MAGOS" IN THE GREEK! THEY ARE KNOWN IN LAYMENS TERMS AS SORCERERS, SHAMANS, PAGANS, HEATHEN KINGS, MAGICIANS!

IMAGINE THAT!

magus
A Magus (plural Magi, from Latin, via Greek μάγος from Old Persian maguÅ¡) was a Zoroastrian astrologer-priest from ancient Persia, from which is derived the terms magic, magician, and also refered to as a sorcerer or wizard. The English term may also refer to a shaman.

The best known Magi are the Wise Men from the east in the Bible.



http://www.answers.com/topic/magus

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What can we conclude form this info?

Are mere pagans able to recognize the Christ even before the Jews!
 
BB,

In all honesty I am drooling in anticipation to your thoughts on this little factoid!

I really do appreciate your debates! :angel: :angel: :angel:
 
You want my p.o.v.? I think you are one of the most duped people on this board, above even the self proclaiming pagans. I believe you will be cast off from the presence of Christ if you were to end there tonight. I think you need to really take a look at what you are trying to do as you are merely a demonic tool around here who happens to attend a psuedo-Christian cult. I am very scared for you and I hope that like Paul, Jesus steps in and flips your world upside down for your efforts to destroy His Church before it is too late for you.
 
Pick one of the following definitions for your understanding. Hopefully each one will ask for God's guidance in the teachings relating to this word as found in His word.
(NOTE: Keep in mind that it is very important to understand the context that words are used in, and it is very important to have the holy Spirit dwelling within so that he teaches and guides each one into God's truth, not man's vain imaginations.)

Strong's Number: 3097
Original Word
mavgoß
Word Origin
of foreign origin (07248)
Transliterated Word
Magos
Phonetic Spelling
mag'-os
Parts of Speech
Noun Masculine

Definition
1. a magus
a. the name given by the Babylonians (Chaldeans), Medes,
Persians, and others, to the wise men, teachers, priests,
physicians, astrologers, seers, interpreters of dreams, augers,
soothsayers, sorcerers etc.
b. the oriental wise men (astrologers) who, having discovered by the
rising of a remarkable star that the Messiah had just been born,
came to Jerusalem to worship him
c. a false prophet and sorcerer

King James Word Usage - Total: 6
wise man 4, sorcerer 2

The word magus is used six times in the New Testament; four times as wise man and two times as sorcerer.

Mt 2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

Mt 2:7 Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.

Mt 2:16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.

Ac 13:6 And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Barjesus:

Ac 13:8 But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith.

The three wise men mentioned in Matthew were probably astrologers, but whether astrologers, wise men, teachers, priests, physicians, astrologers, seers, interpreters of dreams, augers, soothsayers, or sorcerers, they came to worship Jesus. All will one day bow on their knees and proclaim that Jesus is Lord; some in route to serve him for eternity, and others in route to be cast away from him for eternity.
 
You want my p.o.v.? I think you are one of the most duped people on this board, above even the self proclaiming pagans. I believe you will be cast off from the presence of Christ if you were to end there tonight. I think you need to really take a look at what you are trying to do as you are merely a demonic tool around here who happens to attend a psuedo-Christian cult. I am very scared for you and I hope that like Paul, Jesus steps in and flips your world upside down for your efforts to destroy His Church before it is too late for you.

And here I was going to say that I wouldnt mind having coffee with you!

Just goes to show that I have a lot to learn, about God, about life, about Love!

Thank you for your concern and lets try to.......

STAY ON THE TOPIC AT HAND!

Interesting how you call me......


DUPED
WORSE THAN A SELF - PROCLAIMED PAGAN
"WILL BE CAST OFF FROM THE PRESENCE OF CHRIST"
DEMONIC TOOL
MEMBER OF A CULT
A CHURCH DESTROYER


IS THIS ON THE TOPIC AT HAND MY BROTHER!!!!

Once again I question your moderator status with inflamatory comments such as these!

I think your attitude to the lost demonc tools such as myself is summed up best by Christ Jesus when He says.....

Luke 6:35 (New International Version)

35But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.



Good day!
 
Soma-Sight said:
You want my p.o.v.? I think you are one of the most duped people on this board, above even the self proclaiming pagans. I believe you will be cast off from the presence of Christ if you were to end there tonight. I think you need to really take a look at what you are trying to do as you are merely a demonic tool around here who happens to attend a psuedo-Christian cult. I am very scared for you and I hope that like Paul, Jesus steps in and flips your world upside down for your efforts to destroy His Church before it is too late for you.

And here I was going to say that I wouldnt mind having coffee with you!

Just goes to show that I have a lot to learn, about God, about life, about Love!

Thank you for your concern and lets try to.......

STAY ON THE TOPIC AT HAND!

Interesting how you call me......


DUPED
WORSE THAN A SELF - PROCLAIMED PAGAN
"WILL BE CAST OFF FROM THE PRESENCE OF CHRIST"
DEMONIC TOOL
MEMBER OF A CULT
A CHURCH DESTROYER


IS THIS ON THE TOPIC AT HAND MY BROTHER!!!!

Once again I question your moderator status with inflamatory comments such as these!

I think your attitude to the lost demonc tools such as myself is summed up best by Christ Jesus when He says.....

Luke 6:35 (New International Version)

35But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.



Good day!
Actually, this was not inflamatory at all. I was answering your question where you asked what we think of your information. I was going over in my mind the many, many threads that you have devoted yourself to that are nothing more then a poorly veiled attempt to discredit God and ruin Christianity. Many have tried. It wont happen. I definately am not in the frame of mind to "flame" you as I feel deep sorrow for you. I am deeply in regret that it is so obvious that God has called your name but you have decided to rebel against that call. I am deeply sorrowful that you are neglecting such a wonderful salvation. I would LOVE to have coffee with you. I would love to help you. I would love nothing more then to see you actually seek God instead of seek ways of destroying Him. If that is what you call a flame, I don't know what to say. That is definately not my intention. Sometimes you must point out the problem to someone in truth and with a firm tone. I hope you see it for what it truly is.
 
Actually, this was not inflamatory at all. I was answering your question where you asked what we think of your information. I was going over in my mind the many, many threads that you have devoted yourself to that are nothing more then a poorly veiled attempt to discredit God and ruin Christianity. Many have tried. It wont happen. I definately am not in the frame of mind to "flame" you as I feel deep sorrow for you. I am deeply in regret that it is so obvious that God has called your name but you have decided to rebel against that call. I am deeply sorrowful that you are neglecting such a wonderful salvation. I would LOVE to have coffee with you. I would love to help you. I would love nothing more then to see you actually seek God instead of seek ways of destroying Him. If that is what you call a flame, I don't know what to say. That is definately not my intention. Sometimes you must point out the problem to someone in truth and with a firm tone. I hope you see it for what it truly is.

Fair enough!

I guess that answers my questions in full!

Faith is not something that can be destroyed however! If that were the case than everyone would be an atheist because you cannot "see" God through the physical senses.

I seek not to destroy your Faith, only to confirm its credibiltiy!

Since you are a man that likes to think.....

How, why, and who granted the authority of pagan sorcerers to be the first to find Christ?

Looking at the text we see that GOD ordained it!

It was a special event that ONLY the sorcerers were able to comprehend.

No Jews, no Levite priests....

Just pagan sorcerers?!

It is an interesting revelation and one that has many implications!

Jesus' own people did not recognize Hinm until WAY after His birth.....

These pagan sorcerers (adept at altered states of consciousness and divination) were the not only the first, but WAY the first to recognize the Divinity of the Christ child!

Interesting implications indeed!
 
The wise men were not the first to visit Jesus in Bethlehem. Jewish shepherds and Jews in Jerusalem including Jewish priests. Jesus was circumcised as mandated by the Jewish law after eight days, and he was taken to Jerusalem Joseph and Mary offered a sacrifice forty days after Mary's cleansing period was over. The wise men came after this period of time because when they departed, Joseph took Mary and Jesus to Egypt by night to escape the murder of two year male children in Bethlehem as dictated by Herod.


7 And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.

8 And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. 9 And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. 10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. 11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. 12 And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. 13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, 14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. 15 And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us. 16 And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger. 17 And when they had seen it, they made known abroad the saying which was told them concerning this child. 18 And all they that heard it wondered at those things which were told them by the shepherds. 19 But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart. 20 And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them.

21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb. 22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord; 23 (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;) 24 And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.

25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. 26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ. 27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law, 28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, 29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: 30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, 31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; 32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. 33 And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him. 34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; 35 (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed. 36 And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity; 37 And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day. 38 And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem. 39 And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth. 40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. Luke 2:7-40

1 The Lord spoke to Moses: 2 "Tell the Israelites: When a woman becomes pregnant and gives birth to a male child, she will be unclean seven days, as she is during the days of her menstrual impurity. 3 The flesh of his foreskin must be circumcised on the eighth day. 4 She will continue in purification from her bleeding for 33 days. She must not touch any holy thing or go into the sanctuary until completing her days of purification. Leviticus 12:1-4
 
The wise men came after this period of time because when they departed, Joseph took Mary and Jesus to Egypt by night to escape the murder of two year male children in Bethlehem as dictated by Herod.

Good post!

I guess you could consider the sorcerers the "savior" of the Savior then if they had a part to play in warning Joseph of the infant executions!
 
Soma-Sight said:
The wise men came after this period of time because when they departed, Joseph took Mary and Jesus to Egypt by night to escape the murder of two year male children in Bethlehem as dictated by Herod.

Good post!

I guess you could consider the sorcerers the "savior" of the Savior then if they had a part to play in warning Joseph of the infant executions!
You really should read the Bible so that your understanding could grow in truth. Angels warned Joseph, not the wise men.

13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him. 14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt: 15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

The wise men were also told not to return to Herod by God in a dream.
If you are not more careful, knowledgable people are going to consider you less than truthful, and your integrity will be held in question.

13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him. 14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt: 15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son. Matthew 2:13-15
 
The wise men were also told not to return to Herod by God in a dream.
If you are not more careful, knowledgable people are going to consider you less than truthful, and your integrity will be held in question.

So was it the same Angel that warned both parties?

Obviously God warned both parties at the least.....

How could God work through the mind of pagan?

That is the main point I am making here.......

On another note why would God use Balaam the sorcerer in the OT?

Doesnt that seem odd as well?
 
Soma-Sight said:
The wise men were also told not to return to Herod by God in a dream.
If you are not more careful, knowledgable people are going to consider you less than truthful, and your integrity will be held in question.

So was it the same Angel that warned both parties?
God warned the three wise men in a dream. An angel warned Joseph.

Obviously God warned both parties at the least.....
God warned the wise men not to return to Herod. An angel warned Joseph to depart into Egypt.

How could God work through the mind of pagan?
You use the word pagan pretty loosly refering to the wise men. These wise men worshipped Jesus and gave him gifts. They departed to their own country away from Herod because of God's warning. Perhaps you don't understand what allows one to be a believer in the days of the wise men. Read Hebrews 11.

That is the main point I am making here.......
The main point that you are making is confounding your understanding and causing you to misquote the scripture. Hopefully you will learn from your mistakes, and grow in the Spirit after accepting the Lord Jesus Christ as your savior.

On another note why would God use Balaam the sorcerer in the OT?
Why would God use Babylon and its King Nebuchadnezzar? Read the history of each and you will see the correlation between the two as they affected God's chosen Israel.

Doesnt that seem odd as well?
It would seem odd if one was not clear on God's intent, and/or if the various scriptures were taken out of context.
 
So was it the same Angel that warned both parties?
God warned the three wise men in a dream. An angel warned Joseph.

The Angel could have been in the dream but this is a moot point.

Obviously God warned both parties at the least.....
God warned the wise men not to return to Herod. An angel warned Joseph to depart into Egypt.

God worked through the minds of Jews and pagans in this example.

How could God work through the mind of pagan?
You use the word pagan pretty loosly refering to the wise men. These wise men worshipped Jesus and gave him gifts. They departed to their own country away from Herod because of God's warning. Perhaps you don't understand what allows one to be a believer in the days of the wise men. Read Hebrews 11.

Have you ever really thought about what a sorcerer is? Why were the sorcerers the only ones to see the star? These "wise men" were most likely adept at percieving the spiritual realities that surround us. God used this "occultic gift" to bear "good fruit". You cannot quote your way out of this simple fact...

God used a pagan diviner to bear GOOD FRUIT through Babylonian occulitc means!

That is the main point I am making here.......
The main point that you are making is confounding your understanding and causing you to misquote the scripture. Hopefully you will learn from your mistakes, and grow in the Spirit after accepting the Lord Jesus Christ as your savior.

Once again it should be noted that many on these boards seem to have a "crystal ball" into the heart of there fellow men on the boards.

I make no claim about knowing YOUR heart.....

Who gives you the authority to know MINE?

On another note why would God use Balaam the sorcerer in the OT?
Why would God use Babylon and its King Nebuchadnezzar? Read the history of each and you will see the correlation between the two as they affected God's chosen Israel.

You seem to miss the whole point of this strange occurance!

Please note the following verse.

1 Balaam said, "Build me seven altars here, and prepare seven bulls and seven rams for me." 2 Balak did as Balaam said, and the two of them offered a bull and a ram on each altar.

These were pagan alters used by God to accomplish His purposes!

Balaam's "oracle" is no different than the occultic "New Age" devil path of channeling!

But God uses this method! How strange indeed!

Doesnt that seem odd as well?
It would seem odd if one was not clear on God's intent, and/or if the various scriptures were taken out of context.

The content is easy to understand...

God used pagan means to satisfy HIS ends! I think we both agree on this much!
 
Soma-Sight said:
So was it the same Angel that warned both parties?
God warned the three wise men in a dream. An angel warned Joseph.

The Angel could have been in the dream but this is a moot point.

[quote:5fda3]Obviously God warned both parties at the least.....
God warned the wise men not to return to Herod. An angel warned Joseph to depart into Egypt.

God worked through the minds of Jews and pagans in this example.

How could God work through the mind of pagan?
You use the word pagan pretty loosly refering to the wise men. These wise men worshipped Jesus and gave him gifts. They departed to their own country away from Herod because of God's warning. Perhaps you don't understand what allows one to be a believer in the days of the wise men. Read Hebrews 11.

Have you ever really thought about what a sorcerer is? Why were the sorcerers the only ones to see the star? These "wise men" were most likely adept at percieving the spiritual realities that surround us. God used this "occultic gift" to bear "good fruit". You cannot quote your way out of this simple fact...

God used a pagan diviner to bear GOOD FRUIT through Babylonian occulitc means!

That is the main point I am making here.......
The main point that you are making is confounding your understanding and causing you to misquote the scripture. Hopefully you will learn from your mistakes, and grow in the Spirit after accepting the Lord Jesus Christ as your savior.

Once again it should be noted that many on these boards seem to have a "crystal ball" into the heart of there fellow men on the boards.

I make no claim about knowing YOUR heart.....

Who gives you the authority to know MINE?

On another note why would God use Balaam the sorcerer in the OT?
Why would God use Babylon and its King Nebuchadnezzar? Read the history of each and you will see the correlation between the two as they affected God's chosen Israel.

You seem to miss the whole point of this strange occurance!

Please note the following verse.

1 Balaam said, "Build me seven altars here, and prepare seven bulls and seven rams for me." 2 Balak did as Balaam said, and the two of them offered a bull and a ram on each altar.

These were pagan alters used by God to accomplish His purposes!

Balaam's "oracle" is no different than the occultic "New Age" devil path of channeling!

But God uses this method! How strange indeed!

Doesnt that seem odd as well?
It would seem odd if one was not clear on God's intent, and/or if the various scriptures were taken out of context.

The content is easy to understand...

God used pagan means to satisfy HIS ends! I think we both agree on this much![/quote:5fda3]
You and I do not agree on much of anything. Your consideration that the wise men were pagans has been refuted by my previous posts. The wise men had faith in almighty God, and they knew Jesus as the Messiah. I know your heart because of the scripture and the holy Spirit inside me that discerns such things. You are an unbeliever in darkness, and are bound to an eternity of lost souls. Hopefully, you will repent in order to become born of the Spirit so that you can experience eternity with all believers with the Lord of Lords, and King of Kings.
 
You and I do not agree on much of anything.

I would say, judging from your posts that we probably agree on MORE than 50 percent of things! :-D

Your consideration that the wise men were pagans has been refuted by my previous posts.

The Greek word used for the "wise men" is magus and i gave you a Christian definition of thsi Greek word as follows!

magus
A Magus (plural Magi, from Latin, via Greek μάγος from Old Persian maguÅ¡) was a Zoroastrian astrologer-priest from ancient Persia, from which is derived the terms magic, magician, and also refered to as a sorcerer or wizard. The English term may also refer to a shaman.

The best known Magi are the Wise Men from the east in the Bible.


The wise men had faith in almighty God, and they knew Jesus as the Messiah.

Agreed!

The sorcerers had faith in God and followed the Truth that they saw in the Light of the star to find the incarnation of God in the flesh!

I know your heart because of the scripture and the holy Spirit inside me that discerns such things.

Isaiah 11:3 (New International Version)

3 and he will delight in the fear of the LORD.
He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes,
or decide by what he hears with his ears;


You JUDGE me without knowing my past, my life, my works for the Lord, or my intent in posting here!

You are foolish to say so otherwise from a few words on a post!

I claim NOT to know who you really are.

God is the ONLY TRUE JUDGE!

At least you recognize the esoteric nature of the Holy Spirit!

You are an unbeliever in darkness, and are bound to an eternity of lost souls.

I have PERSONALLY witnessed the Majesty of the Risen Lord Jesus Christ three times in visions!

Do you dare say that you are the Judge of mens hearts?

Matthew 5:22 (New International Version)

22But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother[a]will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.



Hopefully, you will repent in order to become born of the Spirit so that you can experience eternity with all believers with the Lord of Lords, and King of Kings.

Hopefully you will learn how to conduct yourself like a True believer rather than a Pharisee!
 
Soma-Sight said:
You and I do not agree on much of anything.

I would say, judging from your posts that we probably agree on MORE than 50 percent of things! :-D

[quote:49010]Your consideration that the wise men were pagans has been refuted by my previous posts.

The Greek word used for the "wise men" is magus and i gave you a Christian definition of thsi Greek word as follows!

magus
A Magus (plural Magi, from Latin, via Greek μάγος from Old Persian maguÅ¡) was a Zoroastrian astrologer-priest from ancient Persia, from which is derived the terms magic, magician, and also refered to as a sorcerer or wizard. The English term may also refer to a shaman.

The best known Magi are the Wise Men from the east in the Bible.


The wise men had faith in almighty God, and they knew Jesus as the Messiah.

Agreed!

The sorcerers had faith in God and followed the Truth that they saw in the Light of the star to find the incarnation of God in the flesh!

I know your heart because of the scripture and the holy Spirit inside me that discerns such things.

Isaiah 11:3 (New International Version)

3 and he will delight in the fear of the LORD.
He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes,
or decide by what he hears with his ears;


You JUDGE me without knowing my past, my life, my works for the Lord, or my intent in posting here!

You are foolish to say so otherwise from a few words on a post!

I claim NOT to know who you really are.

God is the ONLY TRUE JUDGE!

At least you recognize the esoteric nature of the Holy Spirit!

You are an unbeliever in darkness, and are bound to an eternity of lost souls.

I have PERSONALLY witnessed the Majesty of the Risen Lord Jesus Christ three times in visions!

Do you dare say that you are the Judge of mens hearts?

Matthew 5:22 (New International Version)

22But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother[a]will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.



Hopefully, you will repent in order to become born of the Spirit so that you can experience eternity with all believers with the Lord of Lords, and King of Kings.

Hopefully you will learn how to conduct yourself like a True believer rather than a Pharisee![/quote:49010]
I am not angry with you Soma. I understand the mandate that Jesus taught concerning being born of the Spirit. Unless you are born of the Spirit of God almighty, you are bound to an eternal separation from God. The Spirit within me has discerned an ungodly spirit interupting your repentance and belief in the Lord Jesus Christ. I pray that you will open your heart to him, and allow him to cleanse you of the strongholds of satan that you have allowed to grow in your heart. Once you have humbled yourself before God almighty through belief in his son Jesus Christ in repentance, accepting Jesus as the payment for your sin, then knowledge of God's kingdom will permeate your soul, and truth will be established as your foundation. Only then will you be able to test the spirits to see whether they are from God or not.
 
I am not angry with you Soma. I understand the mandate that Jesus taught concerning being born of the Spirit. Unless you are born of the Spirit of God almighty, you are bound to an eternal separation from God. The Spirit within me has discerned an ungodly spirit interupting your repentance and belief in the Lord Jesus Christ. I pray that you will open your heart to him, and allow him to cleanse you of the strongholds of satan that you have allowed to grow in your heart. Once you have humbled yourself before God almighty through belief in his son Jesus Christ in repentance, accepting Jesus as the payment for your sin, then knowledge of God's kingdom will permeate your soul, and truth will be established as your foundation. Only then will you be able to test the spirits to see whether they are from God or not.

I love Jesus.

He taught love and is love incarnate.

He led a non violent life of sacrifice and died for the benifit of all.

But that is not the topic of this post!
 
Soma-Sight said:
I am not angry with you Soma. I understand the mandate that Jesus taught concerning being born of the Spirit. Unless you are born of the Spirit of God almighty, you are bound to an eternal separation from God. The Spirit within me has discerned an ungodly spirit interupting your repentance and belief in the Lord Jesus Christ. I pray that you will open your heart to him, and allow him to cleanse you of the strongholds of satan that you have allowed to grow in your heart. Once you have humbled yourself before God almighty through belief in his son Jesus Christ in repentance, accepting Jesus as the payment for your sin, then knowledge of God's kingdom will permeate your soul, and truth will be established as your foundation. Only then will you be able to test the spirits to see whether they are from God or not.

I love Jesus.

He taught love and is love incarnate.

He led a non violent life of sacrifice and died for the benifit of all.

But that is not the topic of this post!
Soma,
Jesus said, "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. 22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. 27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. 29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe. 30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. 31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.
John 14:12-31
 
Soma,
Jesus said, "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

I Love the Commandments!

I even try and keep the fourth!

Unlike most Evangelicals!
 
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