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The Furnace Thread

Edward

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It's winter time now so I thought I'd give all of my brothers and sisters here a informative boost about their furnaces (and A/C). Knowledge is power. The more you know about your furnace (or A/C), the more you can easily do good things for it to prevent breakdown so save money on costly repairs. I'm open to questions. I'll try to be thorough for you all.

What is unit efficiency? We hear, he has an 80% furnace, she has a high efficiency 90% furnace...what's that mean??? Simple. Think of it this way...in dollars! For every dollars worth of gas that it burns to heat your home, you'll get 80% of that dollar into your house as usable heat. 80% efficient = 80 cents on the dollar for gas, or 90% or whatever. See? Simple.

What can I do for my furnace to save money, and help it to operate as intended?
That old cliche'...change the air filter. That cliche is so old and worn out, people wonder if it's really that important? YES! why? Several reasons. #1 is airflow. If the unit's filter is plugged then it wont move as much air as it should and it will have to run longer to be able to satisfy the thermostat and shut it off.That will raise your gas bill. #2 is, with a plugged filter, it will load up the blower motor and make it work harder (shortening it's service life!). #3 is, because the unit will not be moving as much air as it should, the unit itself will run hotter. Those fancy new electronic controls that they have now do not like heat. Excess heat shortens the service life of electronics. Plus, the excess heat will shorten the service life of your unit's 'heat-exchanger' causing cracks and accelerated heat wear. So keeping a clean air filter is very important for your furnace and the best thing that any homeowner can do for their furnace.

How often should I change or clean my filter?
They always say once per month. In reality, it is...How much dirt do you get tracked into your house? How many kids? How many animals? Long hair/short hair? Take all of this into account. If the kids are grown and gone...took fido with them maybe? Then you may not need to change the filter very often. OTOH, if you have 4 kids and they're at the age of tracking in the whole neighborhood, and you have a long hair setter that sheds like mad...maybe you should change it every 2 weeks?! Try this. Next time you change the filter, check it in 2 weeks. Use your judgment. The rule with filters is...when in doubt, change it out.
I have repeat customers houses where the lady is old and alone, a clean freak anyway, and her filter hardly ever gets dirty. I change it once a year for her. I have other customers who have 4 or 5 kids and animals and they change it every 2 weeks for real. They readily agreed to do this after having to replace a 500 dollar computer board in their unit because the filter was plugged up.

What about high efficiency filters? Should I use one?
They are good. I use one. This is where most people are confused. They think high efficiency filter...must last longer...No. The opposite is true. The more efficient the filter, the more dust it catches and the faster it plugs up! So you have to clean it more often. Be honest with yourself and ask yourself if you will really go clean the thing every 2 weeks? If you wont, then don't buy it. It will catch more dirt and really filter your air. (you know how when the sun shines through the window, that you can see dust floating in the air? Not in my house.

Your normal cheap fiberglass filter for a buck or two at home Depot or whatever is the most common filter. They are about 7 or 8% efficient, which is to say that 92 or 93% of the dust goes right through it! They will become more efficient as they get dirty so will have more surface area to catch more dirt, lol. One thing that you can do to make your cheap filter more efficient is to spray the dirt collection side with furniture polish like Pledge or some such. It'll catch more dirt and make the house smell lemony. :)

I'll detail more in other posts about different aspects of heating and the systems. If you have a question feel free to ask :)
 
Thank you Edward. Because of your post, I went downstairs to change my furnace filter. It's been a month. When I saw the filter, it was pushed out of the slot. I assume this means that I need to change the filter more often. Is this correct? Is there a more sturdy filter that I should be using?
 
Hi. My name is Basil, from Toledo.

Should I buy a heat pump?

If I buy a gas furnace, do I need one with a 20 year warranty? I'm 85 years old.
 
Thank you Edward. Because of your post, I went downstairs to change my furnace filter. It's been a month. When I saw the filter, it was pushed out of the slot. I assume this means that I need to change the filter more often. Is this correct? Is there a more sturdy filter that I should be using?

I'd be guessing why it was slipped out of it's slot? It's been in there a month? How dirty was it? The rule is; when in doubt, change it out. If it's not too dirty, maybe you can go 6 or 8 weeks between changes.

If you want to upgrade just a little bit, without breaking the bank, try one of these:

http://www.airfilterusa.com/residential/washable-furnace-filters/lifetime-electrostatic

I think they're only about 30 or 40 bucks. Anything similar to this. The key word here is "electrostatic". I think they're about 30 or 40% efficient, at rest. The way they work is that, they have some sort of space age material in them and when the blower comes on and air moves across it, it sets up an electrostatic charge across the filter, which acts like a dust magnet. These are sturdy (aluminum framed) and a lifetime filter. You just wash them out with the hose outside and a little dish-soap if you want. Let it dry in the sun for a few and put it back in. Take it with you when you move and put a fiberglass filter back in it. These are pretty good filters for the money and service life. But remember! It catches more dust...so it plugs up faster, keep it clean. Make a routine for it. I have a very similar filter, just a different brand is all.
 
Hi. My name is Basil, from Toledo.

Should I buy a heat pump?

If I buy a gas furnace, do I need one with a 20 year warranty? I'm 85 years old.

I'm not fond of heat pumps. They only work down to about 40 degrees. Colder than that and it'll run the emergency heat anyway, so you may as well save your money and not be running a high amp draw compressor. The best bang for the buck furnaces on the market today are the 80% efficient, two stage furnaces. It's like a standard 80% efficient furnace, but the burners operate in two stages. In "High fire" the burners are about 25K BTU's each, but when the unit comes on, it comes on in "Low Fire", which is at about 17K BTU's per burner then (burns less gas). It runs for 12 minutes in low fire and if it satisfy's the thermostat setting in that time, it shuts off. If it does not satisfy the thermostat setting within 12 minutes, then the unit will put itself into "High Fire", to finish warming up the house, and will run until the thermostat setting is reached. In mild sections of the country it will run in low fire most of the time. saving you on the amount of gas it burns. PLUS! It is (pretty much) a standard 80% furnace, so when it comes time to make a repair to it...You wont pay an arm and a leg for the component replacement cost, that you would if repairing say, a 90% furnace!

20 year warranty? That's pretty standard now, for a warranty. A 20 year warranty is NOT an extended warranty, so yes get the unit with 20 year warranty. If you search out a unit with a 10 year warranty on it...Guaranteed it'll be be a piece of junk to start with.
 
You mean you are doing this for free?Free advise?

Sure, why not? You're all my brothers and sisters here, so help a brother out, lol. All except for you Kathi...PM me and I'll give you my address so you can mail me a check, lol.

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Do you split wood?

I would if I had to to get them heat. That's why I'm there. I'll split wood for 70 per hour, why not?

The Winter before last, I had a no-heat call on a furnace. I went out and discovered that the gas was off at the meter outside. Huh. Practical jokers, strike again is what I thought. So I turn on the gas and bill them and leave. I got them heat. A few days later, they call me back up very angry. The had their gas shut off for non-payment, and when the utility company discovered that their gas was on, they shut it off again and sent them a bill for $500 dollars (The penalty for turning on gas illegally after a shut off). They wanted me to pay the 500 dollars because I was the one who turned the gas on!

My hands were clean. It's reasonable to assume that when one is called for a no heat and the gas is shut off...that it's not shut off for non payment...because they would know this and wouldn't call a service man to make it work again!
I suppose they could really be that stupid...but wow, eh?!

I got them heat. :sohappy
 
Out here the gas company puts a seal on the meter ... One can get in a ton of trouble for breaking that seal...
 
Sure, why not? You're all my brothers and sisters here, so help a brother out, lol. All except for you Kathi...PM me and I'll give you my address so you can mail me a check, lol.

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Ummm....I hope it does not bounce so far that you can not catch it.
 
Ummm....I hope it does not bounce so far that you can not catch it.

Hey let's not have any of that kind of talk now! Good check good check good check...

The last time a lady bounced a check with me, this was the scene at the bank until it finally cleared;

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Furnace Tip:

On flame sensors...Your newer electronic ignition furnace has a flame sensor in it. It's real easy to spot. Take the front cover off of the furnace (Top one, by the burners, not the lower one which closes over the blower motor). In front of the burners is an electronic glow plug (the ignitor). It heats up electrically (like an electric stove, or toaster) and glows orange so when the gas control opens and send gas to the burners, it will light them.

On the opposite side of the burners, from the ignitor is a flame sensor. It's just a little rod with one wire going to it, and when the burners are lit, the rod is in the flame from the burner. It senses the flame and tells the computer board to keep the gas control on so it will continue to burn.

What happens to these little boogers is they get dirty and block the signal. Then the computer board thinks it didn't light and shuts off the burners. When gas burn on the rod, over time, it will leave a residue from the flame, silica. A whiteish substance on the rod. The flame actually conducts electricity to ground. It feeds 120 volts into the flame. The flame carries the voltage to ground. Yes, there is a huge voltage drop through the flame, down to a few millionths of an amp, but this is enough to tell the board to keep the gas on. It doesn't take very much dirt to build up on the flame sensor before you lose the few millionths of an amp electric signal through the dirt. It's one screw and one wire to take it out for cleaning. Don't use sandpaper. Use a clean damp cloth to wipe off the flame sensor, and you just saved yourself the cost of a repair trip to your home.

You'll know the flame sensor is dirty and needs cleaning because the burners wont stay lit for longer then 5 seconds and go right back out. First you'll notice that you're cold. Then go to the furnace and remove the upper door so you can see the burners and so forth. Turn it on and watch the burners light. When it clicks and the burners light...start counting, one, one thousand, two one thousand, three one thousand, four one thousand, five one thousand...If the burners go out within 5 seconds...it's the flame sensor.
 
My furnace guy said that there is a second filter inside my furnace that only qualified maintenance personnel should clean. (It requires partial disassembly of the furnace to reach.) The filter outside the furnace is easy to clean/change regularly. How often should we call the maintenance guy for the internal filter?
 
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