The Gay Gene

[jasoncran]

I can't believe being 'gay' is a choice? Something has probably gone wrong in the genetics or something has happened in their life to make them that way. God can pull them out of it, but really, you can't 'choose' to be gay or choose to be straight or bisexual.
And I've got proof!

i did, think about it, those thoughts were there when i was ten, i chose NOT to act on them, and I didnt for a while because i was using my own strenght to resist the sin not the lord's, i fell into the gay lifestyle(acting it out) after coming to jesus. Lust has to be in one's heart first then can only the Tempation to come in, I did have attraction to women, but the male atraction thing was always there.

I know a man that never had a women(sexualy or as a gf) that was delivered from the gay lifestyle and has dated women. He was always atracted to men, before he came to christ. HE CHOSE TO REPENT.

jason

 

[Nick]

I can't believe being 'gay' is a choice? Something has probably gone wrong in the genetics or something has happened in their life to make them that way. God can pull them out of it, but really, you can't 'choose' to be gay or choose to be straight or bisexual.
And I've got proof!

i did, think about it, those thoughts were there when i was ten, i chose NOT to act on them, and I didnt for a while because i was using my own strenght to resist the sin not the lord's, i fell into the gay lifestyle(acting it out) after coming to jesus. Lust has to be in one's heart first then can only the Tempation to come in, I did have attraction to women, but the male atraction thing was always there.

I know a man that never had a women(sexualy or as a gf) that was delivered from the gay lifestyle and has dated women. He was always atracted to men, before he came to christ. HE CHOSE TO REPENT.

jason

Well yes, God can change anything. And I do believe you can not act out your homosexual feelings...but I don't believe you can just 'choose' to be gay, it just seems to happen.

 

[jasoncran]

even if one's 'born lbgt" it's still sin. the thought here is not nessarily the idea that people are born lbgt, but the reaserchers that state it may be biased, and lost creditibilty.

visit narth.com and see their view on lbgt research and what they state on objectivity.

jason

 

[westtexas]

If I'm going to be damned then so be it. As I've said before, you have no idea what I've been through!

Lance, I am an alcoholic who has not had a drink in 17 years. There are very few days still when I do not have to pray for the strength to not take another drink. Was I born that way? I don't know. Is it a choice? I don't know. Both of those questions do not matter though. God's Word says my addiction (not my temptation) is a sin. Please read Deut 20:1-4. On the days when I am really struggling I take great comfort in these verses. In these verses God's people are going out to battle to face their enemies (mine are in a bottle and yours are sexual) God promises in these verses to be with us , AND TO FIGHT FOR US, and to give us the victory!!! Please think about your statement above. The pain that you and I face daily will be nothing compared to an eternity away from our Lord.

My prayers are with you, Westtexas

 

[Dave Slayer]

but really, you can't 'choose' to be gay or choose to be straight or bisexual.

Umm, I actually chose to be bisexual years ago. You cannot tell me that I didn't choose it. I now choose to be straight. :yes

 

[Nick]

[quote="Nick_29":3tm7rbdj] but really, you can't 'choose' to be gay or choose to be straight or bisexual.

Umm, I actually chose to be bisexual years ago. You cannot tell me that I didn't choose it. I now choose to be straight. :yes[/quote:3tm7rbdj]
So you just woke up one day and suddenly started having strong love feelings towards both sexes?

 

[Dave Slayer]

[quote="Dave Slayer":2045dyou][quote="Nick_29":2045dyou] but really, you can't 'choose' to be gay or choose to be straight or bisexual.

Umm, I actually chose to be bisexual years ago. You cannot tell me that I didn't choose it. I now choose to be straight. :yes[/quote:2045dyou]
So you just woke up one day and suddenly started having strong love feelings towards both sexes?[/quote:2045dyou]

Not exactly over night, no. It developed over time. But I still chose it. No one made me chose to be that way. I could have chose not to like both sexes but yet I did. Either way, if we chose it or some are born that way, it is still a sin. Why is it okay to be gay because one is born that way but it is wrong for someone to go around killing people? What if some people were born murder minded?

Every single human being is born in sin and will sin. There is no getting around that. Even if some people can't "help themselves" to be gay, it is still a sin and they are responsible for their sin. But if it's okay to be gay because one is born thay way, let's throw out the Bible, forget about wanting to overcome sin and just live life being "who we were made to be".

 

[Nick]

Not exactly over night, no. It developed over time. But I still chose it. No one made me chose to be that way. I could have chose not to like both sexes but yet I did. Either way, if we chose it or some are born that way, it is still a sin. Why is it okay to be gay because one is born that way but it is wrong for someone to go around killing people? What if some people were born murder minded?

Every single human being is born in sin and will sin. There is no getting around that. Even if some people can't "help themselves" to be gay, it is still a sin and they are responsible for their sin. But if it's okay to be gay because one is born thay way, let's throw out the Bible, forget about wanting to overcome sin and just live life being "who we were made to be".

I never said being gay was not a sin and it wasn't OK. I'm just saying there's more to it than just 'choosing' to be gay.

 

[Dave Slayer]

[quote="Dave Slayer":1odrxode]Not exactly over night, no. It developed over time. But I still chose it. No one made me chose to be that way. I could have chose not to like both sexes but yet I did. Either way, if we chose it or some are born that way, it is still a sin. Why is it okay to be gay because one is born that way but it is wrong for someone to go around killing people? What if some people were born murder minded?

Every single human being is born in sin and will sin. There is no getting around that. Even if some people can't "help themselves" to be gay, it is still a sin and they are responsible for their sin. But if it's okay to be gay because one is born thay way, let's throw out the Bible, forget about wanting to overcome sin and just live life being "who we were made to be".

I never said being gay was not a sin and it wasn't OK. I'm just saying there's more to it than just 'choosing' to be gay.[/quote:1odrxode]

You are right, I suppose there could be more to it. I only can speak for myself.

 

[Nick]

[quote="Nick_29":3fiuadsn][quote="Dave Slayer":3fiuadsn]Not exactly over night, no. It developed over time. But I still chose it. No one made me chose to be that way. I could have chose not to like both sexes but yet I did. Either way, if we chose it or some are born that way, it is still a sin. Why is it okay to be gay because one is born that way but it is wrong for someone to go around killing people? What if some people were born murder minded?

Every single human being is born in sin and will sin. There is no getting around that. Even if some people can't "help themselves" to be gay, it is still a sin and they are responsible for their sin. But if it's okay to be gay because one is born thay way, let's throw out the Bible, forget about wanting to overcome sin and just live life being "who we were made to be".

I never said being gay was not a sin and it wasn't OK. I'm just saying there's more to it than just 'choosing' to be gay.[/quote:3fiuadsn]

You are right, I suppose there could be more to it. I only can speak for myself.[/quote:3fiuadsn]
Well yes, you can only truly speak for one's own self. You might have 'chosen' to act on your sexual feelings, but I believe there is something more acitng there than just one's choosing. Something more scientific. That's what I'm getting at.

 

[jasoncran]

my point is what the studies are tainted, ie have a biase, that's were narth comes from, they have no bias, they want to see if it is born or enviromental, the gay rights movement would have the most to gain if those studies were proven accurate, and some of those groups might(scientific) be supporters of that lbgt movement.Thus having support(funds) from the lbgt to produce "results" therefore not being objctive.

jason

 

[Tina]

As I've told people many times here. I tried to change for years and it didn't work. The closest I even got was when I got a girl friend, but we never made it past the friends stage. I wasn't sexually attracted to her.

What about Reparative Therapy ? ... Here's a .testimony. from someone that claimed it worked.
What do you think ?

 

[Sparkey]

What does God mean, "sins against his own body"?
Is it possible that sexual sin is different <in at least one way> than other kinds of sin?
Is God telling us something when he speaks about sexual sin and fornication?

Here, check it out for yourselves:

• [list:8dx5ccx8]
• 1Cr 6:9 KJV - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
• 1Cr 6:10 KJV - Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.[/*:m:8dx5ccx8]
• 1Cr 6:11 KJV - And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.[/*:m:8dx5ccx8]
• 1Cr 6:18 KJV - Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.[/*:m:8dx5ccx8]
• 1Cr 6:19 KJV - What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?[/*:m:8dx5ccx8]
• 1Cr 6:20 KJV - For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.[/*:m:8dx5ccx8]

[/*:m:8dx5ccx8][/list:u:8dx5ccx8]

I'm not certain that that entails exactly but all those who are involved in sexual sin (fornication) sins "against" his own body. Maybe somebody can shed some light on what this means exactly? From what I can see in the Greek <I'm no expert> is that the clear text is these sins are against (into, to, toward, unto) our own bodies! We are inviting sin into us like that. I'm not surprised if that invitation results in physical change even if only occasionally. It is by Grace that we are not all reprobate <or even more appropriate: dead in sin>. I know I've sinned and would have no accusation against God available to me should that happen.

We also see that Paul and others, in the book of Acts, gave due thought and diligence to the matter of what would the Gentiles would be prohibited from. No drinking blood, no eating meats that were strangled and no idol worship. That's not too restrictive. But then we are also told, no fornication. We are commanded to be holy. God doesn't tell us to do the impossible. We simply can not be tempted beyond our endurance by any means. The reason isn't that we are all so strong but it is because our Christian God-Trust (Given by God Himself) enables us to Look to our Father God who promises to make a way of escape for us from any and every snare possible. We're not told to look to the defilement of our bodies and complain, but rather instructed to look our "O Most High" and get a way created for us. He is our Creator and He wants to create a way. That's His nature. He wants to save us more than we want to be saved. That's the truth.

Best thing? Depart sin. Deny oneself. Obey the King (Governmental Authority). Pick up your cross daily. Praise God in all things. Avoid fornication <which necessarily also means with same sex, just by the way> and continue walking with Christ Jesus as we also trust that we are indeed equipped unto the pulling down of strongholds.

I'm still watching in earnest supplication for the Shout of God in the lives of those whom I have called friend as well as brother <or sister> as well as for me too! I want all sin in the lives of those whom I love <and I'll admit it, I love me too> to be utterly defeated and to see each member of Christ become as holy as they can possibly be.

Can I hear that "Amen"?

~Sparrow

 

[jasoncran]

:amen

 

[Lance_Iguana]

As I've told people many times here. I tried to change for years and it didn't work. The closest I even got was when I got a girl friend, but we never made it past the friends stage. I wasn't sexually attracted to her.

What about Reparative Therapy ? ... Here's a .testimony. from someone that claimed it worked.
What do you think ?

I know what reparitive therapy is. Its a different name for conversion therapy. Psychologists have abandoned it because its usually unsuccessful and can lead to extreme sexism, high suicide rate, and comes with allot of ethical backlash.

The history alone of the therapy would shock most people. It ranged from castration, shock therapy, lobotomies, and brow beating, forced shame/humiliation, and blatant gender roles that are straight out of the 50's mentality feminism tried to change.

The Ex Gay Ministries are the only ones really continuing the therapy. Though its quite funny. 2 of the founding members left the group and are now exposing many of the problems with the movement. Like the turn around rate of people who went back to Homosexuality, the high suicide rates, the tactics being used ( shock therapy, brow beating, and humiliation), and how offices where notorious for not having a uniform way of changing people, all the facilities have different methods and scue results on what they deem as a success. Most consider a celibate or suppressing person a success.

There are reasons why the APA looks down on Reperative Therapy

I read the testimony. It wasn't much of a testimony, she didn't explain what exactly changed in here life to make it better.

The only unhappiness I've experienced about my sexuality, after I accepted it, was that since only 10% of he population is homosexual I don't have much selection of a partner in my current location and that people can't keep their noses our of my personal business. I don't understand how me wanting to have sex with the opposite gender will automatically make life so much more happy. It sounds more like it would just make lifer easier for others, so they don't have to deal with it. All the social problems caused by homosexuality are there based on the population's views on it. It sounds like people are just way to obsessed with sex in general if life becomes happier after the change..

 

[GojuBrian]

What does God mean, "sins against his own body"?
Is it possible that sexual sin is different <in at least one way> than other kinds of sin?
Is God telling us something when he speaks about sexual sin and fornication?

Here, check it out for yourselves:

• [list:fgq1xvzo]
• 1Cr 6:9 KJV - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
• 1Cr 6:10 KJV - Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.[/*:m:fgq1xvzo]
• 1Cr 6:11 KJV - And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.[/*:m:fgq1xvzo]
• 1Cr 6:18 KJV - Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.[/*:m:fgq1xvzo]
• 1Cr 6:19 KJV - What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?[/*:m:fgq1xvzo]
• 1Cr 6:20 KJV - For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.[/*:m:fgq1xvzo]

[/*:m:fgq1xvzo][/list:u:fgq1xvzo]

I'm not certain that that entails exactly but all those who are involved in sexual sin (fornication) sins "against" his own body. Maybe somebody can shed some light on what this means exactly? From what I can see in the Greek <I'm no expert> is that the clear text is these sins are against (into, to, toward, unto) our own bodies! We are inviting sin into us like that. I'm not surprised if that invitation results in physical change even if only occasionally. It is by Grace that we are not all reprobate <or even more appropriate: dead in sin>. I know I've sinned and would have no accusation against God available to me should that happen.

We also see that Paul and others, in the book of Acts, gave due thought and diligence to the matter of what would the Gentiles would be prohibited from. No drinking blood, no eating meats that were strangled and no idol worship. That's not too restrictive. But then we are also told, no fornication. We are commanded to be holy. God doesn't tell us to do the impossible. We simply can not be tempted beyond our endurance by any means. The reason isn't that we are all so strong but it is because our Christian God-Trust (Given by God Himself) enables us to Look to our Father God who promises to make a way of escape for us from any and every snare possible. We're not told to look to the defilement of our bodies and complain, but rather instructed to look our "O Most High" and get a way created for us. He is our Creator and He wants to create a way. That's His nature. He wants to save us more than we want to be saved. That's the truth.

Best thing? Depart sin. Deny oneself. Obey the King (Governmental Authority). Pick up your cross daily. Praise God in all things. Avoid fornication <which necessarily also means with same sex, just by the way> and continue walking with Christ Jesus as we also trust that we are indeed equipped unto the pulling down of strongholds.

I'm still watching in earnest supplication for the Shout of God in the lives of those whom I have called friend as well as brother <or sister> as well as for me too! I want all sin in the lives of those whom I love <and I'll admit it, I love me too> to be utterly defeated and to see each member of Christ become as holy as they can possibly be.

Can I hear that "Amen"?

~Sparrow

AMEN!!