THE GOD EXPERIEMENT

[TheStudent]

and do you believe the words of Jesus/God , when he said ' i come only for the people of Isreal'?

hardly God-like is it?

 

[DivineNames]

and do you believe the words of Jesus/God , when he said ' i come only for the people of Isreal'?

hardly God-like is it?

If it were intended to mean that only the people of Israel should be "saved", then it doesn't look very nice. I don't know if it means that.

 

[TheStudent]

this would only make sense if jesus was really just a prophet sent to the people of isreal. God is for all people and creation. some propehts were sent just to a single group (moses, john baptist etc) whilst others (muhammed) were sent for all mankind.

but please tell me, how else can you interpret this verse?

 

[DivineNames]

but please tell me, how else can you interpret this verse?

I have never considered it.


With regard to Muhammad, we know that he was seriously flawed, any Deity that would choose him as a prophet would also be seriously flawed. In my view, Islam is refuted simply by the behaviour of Muhammad. There may be other good reasons to think that its false of course, but the behaviour of Muhammad is more than enough.

 

[TheStudent]

I have never considered it.'

there is more proof in the 4 gospels of jesus' humanity then their is to prove his supposes divinity.


With regard to Muhammad, we know that he was seriously flawed, any Deity that would choose him as a prophet would also be seriously flawed. In my view, Islam is refuted simply by the behaviour of Muhammad. There may be other good reasons to think that its false of course, but the behaviour of Muhammad is more than enough.'

i would expect you to say this because you do not understand the spiritual concepts in islam. bro, there is too much knowledge in islam and the quran for it to be false. in regards to muhammeds behaviour, there are many hadith talking of people reverting due to just meeting him for a minute, such was his aura. people who had wanted to kill him, just upon SEEING him, became muslim.but bro, no one can force you to believe, on your soul be it.

 

[Gary]

Bible study

Matthew 15:24 "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (KJV)

The verse is spoken by Jesus and refers to the mission Jesus had while on earth, which was firstly to the Jews. It says nothing about a permanent directive and indeed is not said to disciples at all.

Jesus anticipated a Gentile mission in several places (Matthew 24:14, John 10:16).

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (KJV)

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. (KJV)

Later, Jesus commissioned His disciples to "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19) NKJV

Expansion in evangelistic focus

It makes sense to evangelize some persons before others -- indeed, given limited resources, isn't this necessary? Does it not make sense that the Jews would be evangelized before the Gentiles, since

• a) they had the closest knowledge to the truth, and
  
  b) because of the Diaspora, they were "ready made" and in place to become evangelists (as indeed many did become)?

The remaining verses below talk about Paul's mission to the Gentiles. By this time the commission to evangelize Gentiles has been made (Matthew 28:19).

• Acts 13:47 "The Lord has commanded us, saying, I have set you to be a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the uttermost parts of the earth"
  
  Acts 18:6 "Henceforth, I (Paul) will go unto the Gentiles"
  
  Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
  
  Romans 15:16 "I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles"

I hope that helps you understand the first verse in context.



Source: http://www.tektonics.org/qt/sheepjourney.html

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[TheStudent]

9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

this verse 24:14 is clearly talking about the last days before the end of the world and the second coming of christ . Muslims also believe this

16I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

again this 'one flock and one shepard' speaks accuratly of a verse in quran which says that on the 2nd return of christ, all jews an christians will believe him and call him a prophet of god.

 

[DivineNames]

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i would expect you to say this because you do not understand the spiritual concepts in islam. bro, there is too much knowledge in islam and the quran for it to be false.

True. I don't understand the 'spiritual concepts' behind killing and thieving and oppressing non-Muslims.

As for the Quran, what strikes me is how crude and primitive it comes across.

 

[TheStudent]

True. I don't understand the 'spiritual concepts' behind killing and thieving and oppressing non-Muslims.

answer me this, do you deal in interest? do you think it is sinful?

As for the Quran, what strikes me is how crude and primitive it comes across.

please show me this crudeness. have you ever LISTENED to the Quran?on the surface the quran is made simple to follow. it is after all made for ALL mankind. why would God make it complex?

but i tell you, have you ever studied any Sufi exegisis on the Quran? I will post you something THEN tell me the Quran is anything but wisdom.

 

[DivineNames]

but i tell you, have you ever studied any Sufi exegisis on the Quran? I will post you something THEN tell me the Quran is anything but wisdom.

No.

How someone interprets the Quran isn't necessarily what is actually there. I will read what you post however.

 

[DivineNames]

True. I don't understand the 'spiritual concepts' behind killing and thieving and oppressing non-Muslims.

answer me this, do you deal in interest? do you think it is sinful?

Do you think killing, thieving and oppressing non-Muslims is sinful ??

 

[TheStudent]

before i answer that please tell me, do you believe dealing in interest is fine?