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The Hatred For Obama

Relic said:
JoJo said:
... I agree. It's embarrassing to see Christians become so wrapped up in hate and fear. What kind of witness is hate?
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You think speaking out against Government Control is Hate and fear? :o

You think speaking out against the horrible things a person stands for is hate for that person? :o

And you think that speaking out against a health care system that will rob you of quality care but will insist on rationing what treatment you can and cannot have is fear? :o

If I told you that I was going to take your money and give it to some really rich dude, and you have no right to say anything about it, but you better love me because I did something that any old enemy would do to rob you, would you call that hate and fear?


If I told you that I was going to tell your doctors that you only qualify for a pain pill because the operation is too expensive or, since your parents are old maybe you should consider having them put to sleep through injection or pulling the plug because it's cheaper, and really you have no other choice, because government rationing says it's really the only choice you have according to the set standards, (you know, catch 22) so, you can't say anything about it. You can't speak out against it because those in favor of this communisitic type system already made it a government mandate. And really, those few people in charge of writing the rules will tell you stop speaking fear and hate against us, how dare you, don't you know we are doing what is best for you? And hey, you're supposed to love us? We know what we are doing. Would you call speaking out against such a take over and control over your choices hate and fear?


Nick_29 said:
I agree also. We as Christains are supposed to be wittnessing God's Love to the world - what does the world say when they see how much Obama hate is on this forum, and around the world - by Christians!

We should be loving, even towards our enemies. We should be praying for Obama. :pray.
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You ask, What kind of witness is this?

If we speak out and point out any type of wrong doing, and say it is wrong, we don't want this wrong doing to continue, look what it is all about! Is that a bad witness? Is that hating the person?

If your parents or friends point out to you the wrong you are up to and tell you it is wrong to stop doing that, look what it will lead to! Is that a bad witness? Is that hating you? If they hate what wrong things you choose to take a stand for, is that hating you? Is that speaking fear?

Speaking out against a wrong is not hating the person.

Speaking out against a wrong is not fear.

Speaking out against what is wrong is not being a bad witness

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No relic, I am talking about in this instance, the people who hate him because of his skin. Not because people are speaking out against government, because I do all the time, and have been known to do it, quick fast and in a hurry. And I am not talking about you, relic, I am talking about something that I see in people when he is mentioned or seen on the news, and it is hatred from my lighter complexioned brothers and sisters, I don't like the term race the word was not even used until the early 30's, find it in the Bible and I will use it. Ain't no such thing, that darn word race, keeps us separated. But people of color everywhere is taking a big notice to this. And this is nothing that I am making up.
 
I think that part of the increase in hatred is because of race too. I am sure there are some who are upset with a black president, and I have even heard some black people say they are upset because Obama isn't really black, while others say that this is sort of an 'in your face' victory over whites who are all racist! :crazy :crazy Basically, I have heard the racism on all sides. I do not think that the 'Right' is a racist party, though, and I am afraid that the 'Left' is just accusing others of, and really just deliberately escalating, racial hatred as a campaign against the right. I know many Democrats who are very racist personally in my area, and many Republicans who aren't. Sigh, does anyone really care about the country or do they just want power at any cost and by any method? False teachers divide, and I think there is a lot of false teaching happening with both sides.

Anyway, the real issue with most of these people who oppose the President's views is spending, taxes, and the bigger government. I am on an e-list for a homeschool group of about 300 people, and mostly 'right' in their mindset, and they are praying for the President while trying to get their voices heard concerning spending, and increasing the government. They do not want a more socialist leaning system, and these are people who adopt children, have disabled children, volunteer, and give generously...they are very active in civil things. I have never seen hate-email against him, though they do disagree, and since they are mostly single income families they are being hit very hard in this economy. A lot of mothers are trying to make extra money since their husbands have lost their jobs...many have lost their homes because they are out of work. :shame Thankfully, we have a good community that is trying to help each other. I will say another thing and then leave the homeschoolers. Being a homeschooler and being pro-life were on the list of things to look for in the 'domestic terrorists,' and it's another reason people were upset right out of the gate with our President. Our governor was the first person to 'alert' the policed departments here in Missouri with a profile for domestic terrorists, and then the President did the very same profiling thing after it was repealed here in our state. Funny, these people being profiled could be called terrorists by the administration, while actual terrorists couldn't be, even though they do not take government aid, pay taxes, pray for our President and country, and are law-abiding citizens. It made people very upset on a personal level. :shame

Anyway, I think we need more than a two-party system, but no one is willing to leave the 'Grand Old Party' or 'The People's Party' for fear that that one or the other will win another four years. I have heard phrases like, 'the dems have come into power' uttered from both sides, and the whole idea of our system is that the people should be the ones in power, not Republicans or Democrats. I have voted for a third party since I began voting, and while I have doubts about even voting at all now, I still do for the sake of my husband...who use to vote mostly Democrat, but now votes for a third party. We, meaning our nation, have become divided because of these two parties, and their rhetoric, and I think we should fire them for a while and make them earn back our trust. We should have more than two parties at all times, but the current two need an overhaul. I think in some sense, President Obama was the 'third party' vote people were looking for. He was in a popular party, but different, and so a 'safe change'. I think they are now finding out that their instincts were wrong.

I agree with much of what Handy has written. I think former President Bush increased the government. I was shocked at the Patriot Act, and now President Obama has extended it, and continues to increase the goverment even more. I think President Obama was viewed as someone who was going to reform, bring true change, but instead he has sought reform through that same old bigger government method, and now he has increased spending and taxes and it is just crushing to the people even more. When I was listening to the news the other day, I was amazed to see how little credit the American people are given for their views by the media and the politicans, how they are dismissed as uneducated and not knowing what is best for themselves. We are all going to be forced to seek government help ourselves if it doesn't stop somewhere...then who will support the government? It's opressive, and it's causing people to be angry and look for someone to blame...hatred is the result, and the media and the policitans are trying ot offer up a scape goat to appease the people...each other. :shame
 
Let me give a personal testimony here on a first hand observaton regarding race.

I'm raising two kids, one is white the other is black. The white kid is older and a girl, my young son is black. We live in a tiny community so they know all the same people. We also go out and about in the big wide world, so they get a lot of interaction with differnet people.

Now, my daughter, bless her heart, went through the whole "girl" thing: girls being mean to her because she was the odd one out, one girl telling another girl not to be her friend because girl one was mad at her for some dumb reason. Because my daughter has some learning disabilities, there was more than one parent/teacher conference regarding her school work. It just seems as though there has been nothing but non-stop drama with my daughter. Hey, she's a girl. It comes with the territory.

And, conversely, my boy is all boy. He's quite smart, very popular, gets along well with everyone, and tends to drive his teachers bonkers because he can't sit still nor talk in a quiet voice.

Now, my son is a few years younger than my daughter. By the time he had gone into school, I had gone down I don't know how many times for meetings regarding my daughter. No problem, she's actually doing great now.

However, when my son got into second grade, I was called for my first meeting regarding his behavior. Nothing serious, just not sitting still and talking too much with his buddies. He had more or less been the same during K and 1st grade, but our teacher cuts the youngest kids some slack. Once he got into second grade though, her expectations for his behavior was ramped up a notch as was appropriate for his age.

This is the thing, when I told my husband about the meeting and about the discipline routine our teacher put him on, my husband immediately began to worry that she was being too hard on him because he was black. I don't know how many times my daughter was in tears because her friends were being "mean", but the one time our son came home all mad at his buddy because his buddy refused to let him be the pitcher during the softball game, my hubby and my in-laws worried that it was racism on the part of the 7 year old kid and my husband actually wanted me to call the teacher and discuss it with her. (Wifely submission, yes, but I did talk him out of having me do that!)

Here's the thing about race, EVERYTHING gets filtered through it. Someone posted a Newsweek article on Current Events that talked about this, and it was shown to be true that black people are very apt to believe that they experience racism because they tend to determine that race is behind negative things that happen to them. (I've really paraphrased that last part, btw)

I believe that this is happening right now. Yes, I do believe that there are some racists who hate Obama because of his skin color. And, I do believe that the racism works both ways and is rearing it's ugly head in people of every color.

But, I stand by my previous post. The main thing that is driving folks right now to protest is because our government has been on the fast track to European style socialism for a long time now, and folks are rising up to put a stop to it. Had Hilliary Clinton been elected instead of Barak Obama, the same people would be disparaging the same protesters, only they would be crying "sexism" instead of "racism".

lovely said:
Anyway, I think we need more than a two-party system, but no one is willing to leave the 'Grand Old Party' or 'The People's Party' for fear that that one or the other will win another four years.
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:amen , sister. This is at the heart of the problem. Folks have been upset for years about how this country has been moving more and more toward socialism, even though the Republicans have expanded the government just as far as the Democrats did, and yet too many have voted Republican for exactly that reason.
 
I have to agree with at least part of Jimmy Carter's statement (where he says, “There is an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president.â€Â) But of course the White House would have to dispute that. The White House, of all places, would never want to be seen making an issue out of race, no matter how much any of them might wonder about it in their hearts. Or perhaps they want to give America the benefit of the doubt.

But I've lived around racism too long to ignore its presence or the possibility that it could be the fuel under the fires of hatred (even if the one hating doesn't recognize it or want to admit it). Racism is an ugly monster, based on ignorance, lies, speculation, stereotype and hand-me-down prejudice, and those who grew up, particularly in the South, listening to their elders distrust black folks in general, would do well to put aside their denial and admit before the Lord that they may be having trouble trusting a black man in power. The thought scares them because this is how they were raised. Of course, not all who were raised around this are fearful of Obama (I'm not) and not all who hate Obama have that underlying presence of prejudice. But racism hasn't disappeared.

I'm not accusing anyone here of being a racist. Let me make that clear. I'm speaking in general based on what I've seen and grown up with. Everyone should examine their hearts.
 
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One of my favorite songs from dcTalk:


Colored People

Jesus Freak
by dc Talk


Pardon me, your epidermis is showing, sir
I couldn't help but note your shade of melanin
I tip my hat to the colorful arrangement
Cause I see the beauty in the tones of our skin
We've gotta come together
And thank the Maker of us all

We're colored people, and we live in a tainted place
We're colored people, and they call us the human race
We've got a history so full of mistakes
And we are colored people who depend on a Holy Grace

A piece of canvas is only the beginning for
It takes on character with every loving stroke
This thing of beauty is the passion of an
Artist's heart By God's design, we are a skin kaleidoscope

Ignorance has wronged some races
And vengeance is the Lord's
If we aspire to share this space
Repentance is the cure

We're colored people, and we live in a tainted place
We're colored people, and they call us the human race
We've got a history so full of mistakes
And we are colored people who depend on a Holy Grace

Well, just a day in the shoes of a color blind man
Should make it easy for you to see
That these diverse tones do more than cover our bones
As a part of our anatomy

We're colored people, and they call us the human race
We're colored people, and we all gotta share this space
We're colored people, and we live in a tainted world
We're colored people, every man, woman, boy, and girl

Written by Toby McKeehan and George Coocchini ©1995 Up In The Mix Music/Tigerback Music (BMI)

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I thank all of you for your thoughts, and I really , love each and everyone of you. I have a true story, when I was in boot camp in the Army, me and a white guy, I will say white so that you will know what I am talking about. Any way me and this guy gets into it, because he called me a nigger, and I had to be held back. But anyway, he became my best friend in boot camp. He told me in a private conversation, that his dad, they lived in Idaho, said that we had tails and to stay away from us, because we are a evil people. And he said he he never seen one of us except on TV. But he said to me you all are nothing like what my dad said, he said my dad was wrong, and him and I became close friends, we cared about each other and looked out for each other. The thing is he was taught to be that way, he was not born to be that way. Another time I was in Gasstra Michigan in a Christian drug program, and this guy from Louisiana came, he was so full of hate for people of color until he tried to attack me, and a couple days later he went after a colored female. He told me and others that he wanted to hate us, and if he could, he would kill all of us. I told them that I wanted to leave, and they took him to the turnpike and put him out, and told him get back to Louisiana the best way you can. That was in 1992, but my thing is, he said that he wanted to hate us, and he said his whole family feels the same way. Lets go back to Wildwood New Jersey August 1970 about 20 of us were leaving to come back to Philly from a 2 day stay. A guy at the bus station says, I came down here to get away from you niggers and here you are. This stuff is still alive and well in the USA, and a lot of times this is not the case. And a lot of times it is. You can't get upset every time someone goes against Obama, because it is not always about the color of his skin, and then on the other hand to millions, it is.
 
Lewis, we love you too.

When I lived in Colorado my children and I spent the entire year with another single mother with two children. They were black. My friend and I would often see situations through different eyes, and sometimes I would only see racisim after she pointed out to me. Granted, some of the time I felt as if she were being paranoid, and thinking the worst, but there were times when she was dead right.

A funny related story, which is kind of an example of how children sometimes see things, and why many may have imbedded prejudices. My friend that I was speaking about above, Barbra, she and her children were complete vegetarians, and we literally spent nearly every day with them for a year...we were always putting together vegetarian meals and trying to find vegetarians solutions for our outings. Anyway, my husband was teasing our second oldest son, when he was a bit younger, telling him that if he continued to act up that he was going to let traveling gypsies come and take him away so that we would could have some peace for a while, and they would probably eat him if they got too hungry. (We had just watched an episode of the Waltons where a family, in a true gypsy wagon, had come to live on their mountain for a while.) Anyway, Max is very literal, and he didn't take it as a joke at all. He thought about this for a while, and then later he asked me, "Mommy, do gypsies have brown skin?" I said, "Well, I guess they have darker skin than we do, yes." "Well, they won't eat me, then." he said rather smartly. "Why not?" I asked. "Because, people who have dark skin don't eat meat." he said. I said, "Max, they wouldn't eat you, but I don't think it's because they have dark skin. What makes you think that people with dark skin don't eat meat? "Because Barbra and her kids are vegetarians." he answered. :rolling It took me a while to make him understand that just because one black family doesn't eat meat doesn't mean that all black people are vegetarians. He did ask me if it was true if all muslims didn't eat pork like our friends, and that really complicated the conversation. I think he's a bit more clear on some of this now. :)
 
good story, handy, cute, lewis sorry to hear the hatred you have been through, i have been "hated" by black muslims of the nation of islam.

unfortunaley men will always hate till christ comes.

jason
 
thanks again everybody, and Jason I have problems with all Muslims except 1 and that is the one that I grew up with. And we know not to talk about our faiths or it will be all over, because I won't budge and he won't. I have some Muslims in my family and I have a problem with that, because I know what Muslims really think of Christians, they hate us, and they twist the Bible, and I can't take that, don't want to get to far off topic here.
 
I think there is a racial element to some anti-Obama people.

I think MOST of it is policy disagreement.

Racism does exist, but racially motivated hatred is dwindling. I think it's just pure anger that most anti-Obama people feel and not racially motivated. Anger about spending, anger about big government, anger that 'we the people' are being looked over.
 
I said when I signed up for this board that I would stay away from political talk....and I will. But I wanted to commend those who have posted their thoughts in this thread for their introspection and honesty. Race is a very hard topic to discuss. I called some "christians"out on a former forum I used to belong to and things got ugly fast. They called me everything but a child of God, openly questioned my christianity, and even suggested that I was a planted spy from the government....and I never mentioned racism. In fact, people were allowed to say the meanest, degrading things me without mod interruption. But the minute I defended myself the thread was locked. I finally told one particularly mean person that I would respect them more if they did not hide their sheets and bam....I was told to cool off for a few weeks. I refused to go back though after being with the forum for 4 years....I could not fake it and fellowship with known hypocrites. Now, I no longer want to know how folks feel outside of direct discussion about the bible. People will disappoint...but I'm here to talk about the Lord. Life is too short for petty nonsense.

Racsism is a matter of the heart...and even the Lord says man's heart is exceedingly wicked. How can we ever really know someone's heart. So as a word of advice from someone who's been there done that...if anyone feels things getting too heated and you feel the spirit of offense coming on...stop. End your conversation and gracefully bow out. The fellowship we are all seeking is to know the Lord better and watch for His soon return. If offense creeps in you may find yourself unable to fellowship....but there is much more fellowshipping and testimonies that can be shared with our brothers and sisters and it would be a waste to lose that. I know I miss some of the people I used to talk to.

Blessings,
Deirdre
 
I admit it: I despise this man. He is destroying our country by his radical socialism and surrounding himself with the same. I pray for 1-20-13 to get here quickly---if we are still around, that is. American people need to know and understand that voting has consequences. :nod
 
Steve said:
I admit it: I despise this man. He is destroying our country by his radical socialism and surrounding himself with the same. I pray for 1-20-13 to get here quickly---if we are still around, that is. American people need to know and understand that voting has consequences. :nod
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Radical socialism? You mean like the Bush auto bailouts? Or the Bush financial bail outs? Or the Bush welfare checks to every citizen? Or the Bush unfunded prescription medicine benefit? Most of what Obama is being called a socialist for is simply for continuing the Bush programs.

In fact most of Obama's failures have been to not immediately stop all these failed programs the the Bush Administration started. The stimulus, the bail outs, The needless wars, the torture, DOMA, the prescription drug benefit.
 
D4Christ said:
Lewis W said:
Good post D4Christ, and you are a Philadadephian too, :yes
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Born and raised...southwest Philly in the house! :shades
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West Philly 5 blocks below 52nd and Market, on the north side of Market. And my church, is The Church Of Christian Compassion, on your side of Market street. :) :yes

The Church Of Christian Compassion
627 S Felton St
Philadelphia, PA 19143-2212
(215) 472-9040
http://www.christiancompassion.com/
 
I certainly don't hate Obama, but in today's society the left wing run media has spun any criticism of Obama as either "hate" or "racism".

Obama doesn't get a fraction of the criticism as Bush or Cheney. For the most part, he has got a free pass from the media.
 
D4Christ said:
So as a word of advice from someone who's been there done that...if anyone feels things getting too heated and you feel the spirit of offense coming on...stop. End your conversation and gracefully bow out. The fellowship we are all seeking is to know the Lord better and watch for His soon return. If offense creeps in you may find yourself unable to fellowship....but there is much more fellowshipping and testimonies that can be shared with our brothers and sisters and it would be a waste to lose that. I know I miss some of the people I used to talk to.
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Thank you for sharing this bit of wisdom. :)
 
kenmaynard said:
Steve said:
I admit it: I despise this man. He is destroying our country by his radical socialism and surrounding himself with the same. I pray for 1-20-13 to get here quickly---if we are still around, that is. American people need to know and understand that voting has consequences. :nod
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Radical socialism? You mean like the Bush auto bailouts? Or the Bush financial bail outs? Or the Bush welfare checks to every citizen? Or the Bush unfunded prescription medicine benefit? Most of what Obama is being called a socialist for is simply for continuing the Bush programs.

In fact most of Obama's failures have been to not immediately stop all these failed programs the the Bush Administration started. The stimulus, the bail outs, The needless wars, the torture, DOMA, the prescription drug benefit.
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Bush started out good, but the last two or three years were just awful. The bailouts you speak of are exactly the problem and Obama has stretched it out from there.

BIG government and out of control porkulous bill spending is the problem no matter who is in office. Right now, it's Obama, and the things going on RIGHT NOW are at his doing, not Bush.
 
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