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The Hidden Reality of Abortion Empowering Men

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The Hidden Reality of Abortion Empowering Men
By Albert Mohler

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America's long war over abortion has classically been defined as a struggle between competing rights -- depicted as the right of a woman to have an abortion versus the right of an unborn child to the protection of life. This long-familiar framing of the issue suggests, at the very least, that the rights of women and their unborn children are, or at least can be, presented as an irresolvable conflict.

From the very beginning, this has been an unsatisfactory approach to the abortion controversy. Those who contend for the sanctity of human life at every stage of development are, by virtue of moral necessity, also concerned with the health, welfare, and well-being of women. The reduction of the abortion question to a matter of "rights" is itself a symptom of our moral confusion.

One of the most insidious aspects of the abortion controversy has been the success of the feminist movement in presenting abortion on demand as a matter central to the liberation of women. The feminist logic suggests that women can never be seen as equal to men in terms of career so long as the "risk" and reality of pregnancy and motherhood are present. As the feminists argue, abortion becomes a mechanism for leveling the playing field and for liberating women.

As far back as the 1970s, at least some feminists saw through this logic. Catherine MacKinnon, a radical feminist legal scholar, argued that legal abortion would merely facilitate the "heterosexual availability" of women. In other words, abortion would be a benefit to men, who would be liberated to take sexual advantage of women, knowing that the availability of legal abortion would effectively remove their risk of the entanglements that would come with pregnancy and parenthood.

MacKinnon is a radical legal theorist whose arguments on both abortion and pornography have been of considerable interest to conservatives for some time. Even as her ideology puts her on the far left of contemporary feminism, her argument that the availability of abortion and pornography is deeply injurious to women offers something of an awkward common ground with conservatives. At the very least, she is noteworthy for seeing what so many of her fellow feminists simply refused to see.

Writing in the August/September 2009 issue of First Things, Richard Stith argues that the legalization of abortion "was supposed to grant enormous freedom to women, but it has had the perverse result of freeing men and trapping women."

Over 30 years after Roe v. Wade, we now know that abortion "has increased the expectation and frequency of sexual intercourse (including unprotected intercourse) among young people," Stith observes. As he explains, the post-Roe expectation is that a woman now has less justification for refusing the sexual advances of a male. By and large, abortion has liberated men from the fear of parenthood, if not of pregnancy. Beyond this, if the woman with whom they are having sex becomes pregnant, the availability of abortion serves, in the mind of men, to reduce if not to remove their responsibility for fatherhood.

The availability of abortion means, in the thinking of many men, that the entire responsibility for pregnancy and parenthood now falls to women. If a woman refuses to have an abortion, having the baby is simply her "choice." As Stith realizes, this gives many men even more leverage as they demand an abortion as the cost of continuing the relationship. Stith cites a report from the Medical Science Monitor indicating that 64% of American women who have had abortions felt pressure from others to do so.

As Stith explains:

Prior to the legalization of abortion in the United States, it was commonly understood that a man should offer a woman marriage in case of pregnancy, and many did so. Though with the legalization of abortion, men started to feel that they were not responsible for the birth of children and consequently not under any obligation to marry. In gaining the option of abortion, many women have lost the option of marriage.

The Culture of Death often presents itself in terms of liberation. Yet, at every turn, this liberation is actually an enslavement. The availability of legalized abortion has led to the deaths of over 40 million unborn children in the United States alone. Beyond this, it has produced a social catastrophe evident in patterns of female poverty and the abandonment of both women and children by irresponsible males. Furthermore, it has severely weakened the moral protections and obligations that bound men to women and children, effectively allowing men to demand abortion as a means of escaping their responsibility to marry and to take responsibility for their children.

As Richard Stith rightly summarizes, "Elective abortion changes everything." As he explains, "A woman's choice for or against abortion breaks the causal link between conception and birth. It matters little what or who caused conception or whether the male insisted on having unprotected intercourse. It is she alone who finally decides whether the child comes into the world. She is the responsible one. For the first time in history, the father and the doctor and the health-insurance actuary can point a finger at her as the person who allowed an inconvenient human being to come into the world."

The obvious question is this -- how is it that feminists, the abortion industry, and the advocates of abortion rights get away with their claim that abortion liberates women? In truth, the availability of abortion has served to liberate irresponsible men from duty, morality, and responsibility. Of course, the even greater tragedy is the death of unborn children by the millions. Only the Culture of Death would present the slaughter of the innocents as liberation.

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source: albertmohler.com

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Re: The Hidden Reality of Abortion  Empowering Men

Men should have rights too. Undoubtably seeing as they take part in the conception.
 
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LostLamb said:
Men should have rights too. Undoubtably seeing as they take part in the conception.

I agree, but in my opinion they should have less rights when it comes to this sort of thing, as men don't have to carry the baby in their womb and give birth to it.
 
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I think if the couple is married, the man should have equal rights in decisions regarding the child.
 
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In reading the article though, the main point is that abortion has allowed men to abdictate responsiblity. Rather than "manning up", men are now able to force girlfriends/wives into getting abortions rather than take on the responsiblity of rearing a child.

In other words, abortion would be a benefit to men, who would be liberated to take sexual advantage of women, knowing that the availability of legal abortion would effectively remove their risk of the entanglements that would come with pregnancy and parenthood.


Over 30 years after Roe v. Wade, we now know that abortion "has increased the expectation and frequency of sexual intercourse (including unprotected intercourse) among young people," Stith observes. As he explains, the post-Roe expectation is that a woman now has less justification for refusing the sexual advances of a male. By and large, abortion has liberated men from the fear of parenthood, if not of pregnancy. Beyond this, if the woman with whom they are having sex becomes pregnant, the availability of abortion serves, in the mind of men, to reduce if not to remove their responsibility for fatherhood.

The availability of abortion means, in the thinking of many men, that the entire responsibility for pregnancy and parenthood now falls to women. If a woman refuses to have an abortion, having the baby is simply her "choice." As Stith realizes, this gives many men even more leverage as they demand an abortion as the cost of continuing the relationship. Stith cites a report from the Medical Science Monitor indicating that 64% of American women who have had abortions felt pressure from others to do so.

Is this really "choice"? "Get an abortion or I'm leaving" ? The 64% number the article mentions doesn't clarify if it's just the father pushing for the abortion, as opposed to the woman's parents or others, but I'm sure a vast majority of that 64% is the man who doesn't want to "deal" with a kid.
 
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i am one man that would man up if got a girl pregnant, i was raised that way, and yes abortion and feminist hasnt helped woman for the most part. ironically this logic to me sounds all to familiar like the one used by the eugenist margaret sanger.

jason
 
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Reido said:
LostLamb said:
Men should have rights too. Undoubtably seeing as they take part in the conception.

I agree, but in my opinion they should have less rights when it comes to this sort of thing, as men don't have to carry the baby in their womb and give birth to it.

Not true...a good number of men are known to have sympathy pains if the bond is strong between both the parents. I know my husband did...poor guy at times seemed more pregnant than me. People just do not realize that pregnancy is a lot on them too. It is NOT all about the mother.
 
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LostLamb said:
Reido said:
LostLamb said:
Men should have rights too. Undoubtably seeing as they take part in the conception.

I agree, but in my opinion they should have less rights when it comes to this sort of thing, as men don't have to carry the baby in their womb and give birth to it.

Not true...a good number of men are known to have sympathy pains if the bond is strong between both the parents. I know my husband did...poor guy at times seemed more pregnant than me. People just do not realize that pregnancy is a lot on them too. It is NOT all about the mother.

Good point but I still lean towards thinking the woman should at least have more rights to the child until it's born.
Empathy/sympathy may cause the man to feel certain things but personally, I doubt it could be as much as the direct experience the woman has.
 
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Reido said:
Good point but I still lean towards thinking the woman should at least have more rights to the child until it's born.
Empathy/sympathy may cause the man to feel certain things but personally, I doubt it could be as much as the direct experience the woman has.

Again I am going to disagree. It is life changing for both parents. Both parents should be able to have a say in the matter. Besides...if a parent will not speak for the unborn child, who will?
 
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LostLamb said:
Reido said:
Good point but I still lean towards thinking the woman should at least have more rights to the child until it's born.
Empathy/sympathy may cause the man to feel certain things but personally, I doubt it could be as much as the direct experience the woman has.

Again I am going to disagree. It is life changing for both parents. Both parents should be able to have a say in the matter. Besides...if a parent will not speak for the unborn child, who will?

I agree, it can be life changing for both parents. And really, I think it should be. Too often I see the man show such a lack of caring for the child, unborn or otherwise.
And I also agree that both parents should have a say in the matter.
I just personally feel that the woman should have more say, due to the child being inside her body.
I do, however, see your point. And I understand your point of view, I simply don't share it.
 
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Reido said:
LostLamb said:
Reido said:
Good point but I still lean towards thinking the woman should at least have more rights to the child until it's born.
Empathy/sympathy may cause the man to feel certain things but personally, I doubt it could be as much as the direct experience the woman has.

Again I am going to disagree. It is life changing for both parents. Both parents should be able to have a say in the matter. Besides...if a parent will not speak for the unborn child, who will?

I agree, it can be life changing for both parents. And really, I think it should be. Too often I see the man show such a lack of caring for the child, unborn or otherwise.
And I also agree that both parents should have a say in the matter.
I just personally feel that the woman should have more say, due to the child being inside her body.
I do, however, see your point. And I understand your point of view, I simply don't share it.

Reido...what about the case when the roles are reversed and it is the mother who has no care or concern for the unborn within her and the father wants nothing more than to have the child she carries?

I do not ask this to attack you in any way, but to consider other possibilities. For this does still happen.
 
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LostLamb said:
Reido...what about the case when the roles are reversed and it is the mother who has no care or concern for the unborn within her and the father wants nothing more than to have the child she carries?

I do not ask this to attack you in any way, but to consider other possibilities. For this does still happen.

I think abortion can be a very complicated issue. And if I were to decide the outcomes of situations like these, I haven't a clue what I would do, in all honesty.
I would understand the father's desire to have the child and his pain if the child is aborted...However I would also understand the mother's desire not to have the child. And I do think that the woman should have more say in it than the guy, but I have no idea how you could even implement a system where the woman has more say but the man still has some say in it.
I suppose my opinions on this matter are more idealistic than practical, unfortunately.
 
this is the truth according to the Word,

lots of things are lawful, but Gods ways are above mans ways. no man or woman has rights over another man or woman, we are all equal regardless of age. it is a privelege to bare and bring a child into this world to do the work of the lord. also a privelege to be able to raise a child. no one has athority over that life. in a life or death situation remember what the word says "we live under a NEW commandment" to love God with our heart and our neighbor as ourself. Jesus said to love one another as He has loved us, and there is no greater love than this...to lay down your life for another.
 
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Reido said:
LostLamb said:
Men should have rights too. Undoubtably seeing as they take part in the conception.

I agree, but in my opinion they should have less rights when it comes to this sort of thing, as men don't have to carry the baby in their womb and give birth to it.

No, but we are to be legally, morally responsible and prepared to give our lives for our children, or any child for that matter.

I am so sick and tired of this argument over whether men or women have more rights in this area. Don't you see that that is the real problem? Why do women or men have to be superior to each other?
 
I do think that the woman should have more say in it than the guy, but I have no idea how you could even implement a system where the woman has more say but the man still has some say in it.
I suppose my opinions on this matter are more idealistic than practical, unfortunately.

This is why I just try to stick with what God says in His word. It's the same with a lot of things. I'd like to live in a world where Health Care is free and easy to access, I'd like for everyone to be employed, I'd like everyone to have enough money to be comfortable in life.

But, when it comes to heath care, in order for me to have free health care, someone else has to pay for it, and I can't figure out how to make that fair. When it comes to employment, the best way to increase employment is to give big tax breaks to the employers, then everyone screams that they aren't paying their share.

When it comes to abortion, I can't see how it's fair to "force" a woman to bear a child she doesn't want. But then, what if the Dad does want the baby. What about the baby? Isn't one of America's founding principles the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Doesn't the baby have access to the right to life?

So, it's easier for me to stick with what God says. God says to keep the legs firmly pressed together at the knees until one is married and ready to be a parent. God says then that children are His blessings and that He will provide for the needs. God says for parents to love each other and provide the home for the children.

I was single for a long, long, time. During that time I did indeed keep the knees pressed. I did wait until I was married. We do have two kids now (via adoption not pregnancy) and we see God's provision for our family.

It's just plain easier.
 
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walter said:
Reido said:
LostLamb said:
Men should have rights too. Undoubtably seeing as they take part in the conception.

I agree, but in my opinion they should have less rights when it comes to this sort of thing, as men don't have to carry the baby in their womb and give birth to it.

No, but we are to be legally, morally responsible and prepared to give our lives for our children, or any child for that matter.

I am so sick and tired of this argument over whether men or women have more rights in this area. Don't you see that that is the real problem? Why do women or men have to be superior to each other?

Agreed. Both are made in God's divine image. Both are children of God. Why should any one be more significant?
 
The truth of the matter is that a child is half from the father half from the mother. It does not matter whose body that child is inside of. If My child is at home with my husband and I go to the store does that mean that the child is more belonging to my husband because I am at the store?- The idea that " the woman has more rights because she had to carry the child in her body" comes from the disgust that this culture has been taught to have towards a woman carrying a baby. many are effected by the cultural ideas of this even when they do not know they are. Many think of this as " well the woman is the one whose body gets ruined not the mans" As if a motherly body is a ruined body because often it is no longer what this culture sees as beautiful and lust worthy. Or the theme comes that "well the woman has to stop drinking or smoking or whatever other manner of bad things that would harm a baby". But because some realize these two arguments sound terrible they say things like " well it might endanger a womans body" well that is very rarely the case. Even often when doctors say they do not want a woman to carry a baby because of their health, when the women do not listen and carry the baby anyways rarely is there any harm to the woman that would exceed the importance of the life of the baby- and beyond that most of the time it is late in the pregnancy when women are told this and when they have late term abortions they literally deliver the whole child anyways and could have delivered it ALIVE and then had the medical system attempt to keep the baby alive because babies have been successfully kept alive after 25 weeks.-

Beyond this I dont agree it is all about men getting out of responsiblity but more about women getting out of responsiblity. The biggest responsiblity that women get out of is BEING A WOMAN and not a man. The same culture that wants women to eat the femanist hate speech that babies in the womb are parasites, wants women in all ways to be men, all shows now are geared towards the beautiful intelligent wife who is married to the shlubby stupid husband who never does anything right and needs to be constantly mocked and helped by the wife.- Women are made to feel they are nothing if they love their children more than themselves and tehir actual JOY in life is to stay home and be responsible and make good, loving children into adults. We are told everyday in every commerical and sitcom that it should be About US- and " ME TIME" and WE should be " FULFILLED" except that everything that is naturally IN a woman to actually fulfill us is ignored, and denied, and hated and put down- while everything about being a man is ridiculed for men to do- but proped up as desireable for women to do.

Abortion is about many things, little of it has anything to do with men getting more power.
 
perhaps a thread on womans liberation and feminism i was going to start one and ask that the women chime in on this.
 
This reminds me of all the times I heard women saying that make-up and fashion and so on was all men's ideas of what they wanted women to look like. Until I picked up a fashion magazine and looked at the editorial staff.

Perdominantly women.

This was in the 80's by the way.

The whole thing is just so disingenuos.
 
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