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The hidden Treasure
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Gabbylittleangel
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This is the really cool thing about the LIVING WORD. Each time we read it, God shows us something different.
In parables, the symbol that is used in one parable, typically means the same thing in all the parables. The field is the world.
I have heard it taught how we give up everything when we come to Christ. He is the treasure.
One day while reading that passage, I saw that we are the treasure, and the God gave His Son to purchase the field.
In parables, the symbol that is used in one parable, typically means the same thing in all the parables. The field is the world.
I have heard it taught how we give up everything when we come to Christ. He is the treasure.
One day while reading that passage, I saw that we are the treasure, and the God gave His Son to purchase the field.
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There are several interpretations of this parable which are inadequate to explain it. One confirms that the treasure is Christ and the field is the Gospel. But it may be observed that when the treasure was found it was hidden again. In what sense does the sinner find Christ and hide Him again? For when the sinner finds the Lord he is commanded to witness of Him to others. Another explaination makes the treasure to be salvation and the field the Bible. Notwithstanding, the Scriptures do not hide Christ, but rather reveal Him. And when salvation is found the person does not hide it again, as the man did the treasure when he had found it. Nor is the treasure the Scriptures. One does not have to sell all that he has to buy the Bible.
A third explaination is that the treasure is the Church, and the field is the world. But Christ did not find the Church, and hide it again. Of the Church Jesus said, ye are the light of the world; a city set on an hill cannot be hid ( Matt. 5:14). This is positive proof that since the Church cannot be hid it cannot be the hidden treasure.
The field is not the Gospel; neither is it the Bible. The field, according to Christ in those parables He did explain, is the world, the world being the race of mankind generally, the social order of this age.
We are told that a certain man found the treasure. The man in the other parables was the Son of Man, even Christ. In this case, the man found the treasure, hid iit again, and sold all that He had that he might buy the field. Certainly the man is Christ. He came down from heaven, gave all He had, impoverished Himself, so that He could redeem the World.
The question is, what is the treasure? There are some passages in the old Testament which help us make this identification, which we believe is the Kingdom of Israel. God spoke of Israel as His peculiar treasure. ( Psa. 135:4).
Why was Israel God's peculiar treasure? To understand this we must recall that God called Abraham for a specific purpose, that through him and his seed all the nations of the earth were to be blessed. Israel was to grow, to become a great people; Israel would be surrounded by other nations, yet be reckoned among the nations ( Num 23:9). Check out Deut. 4:5-8 too.
Morever, it was through this nation Israel that God brought forth Christ, the Redeemer, who would redeem the whole world.
Therefore, when Jesus said that the Kingdom of God is likened unto a treasure hid in a field, it means that Israel, and God's government through Israel was hidden in the world and aswaited manifestation.
Does anyone have anything to add here?
May God bless, golfjack
There are several interpretations of this parable which are inadequate to explain it. One confirms that the treasure is Christ and the field is the Gospel. But it may be observed that when the treasure was found it was hidden again. In what sense does the sinner find Christ and hide Him again? For when the sinner finds the Lord he is commanded to witness of Him to others. Another explaination makes the treasure to be salvation and the field the Bible. Notwithstanding, the Scriptures do not hide Christ, but rather reveal Him. And when salvation is found the person does not hide it again, as the man did the treasure when he had found it. Nor is the treasure the Scriptures. One does not have to sell all that he has to buy the Bible.
A third explaination is that the treasure is the Church, and the field is the world. But Christ did not find the Church, and hide it again. Of the Church Jesus said, ye are the light of the world; a city set on an hill cannot be hid ( Matt. 5:14). This is positive proof that since the Church cannot be hid it cannot be the hidden treasure.
The field is not the Gospel; neither is it the Bible. The field, according to Christ in those parables He did explain, is the world, the world being the race of mankind generally, the social order of this age.
We are told that a certain man found the treasure. The man in the other parables was the Son of Man, even Christ. In this case, the man found the treasure, hid iit again, and sold all that He had that he might buy the field. Certainly the man is Christ. He came down from heaven, gave all He had, impoverished Himself, so that He could redeem the World.
The question is, what is the treasure? There are some passages in the old Testament which help us make this identification, which we believe is the Kingdom of Israel. God spoke of Israel as His peculiar treasure. ( Psa. 135:4).
Why was Israel God's peculiar treasure? To understand this we must recall that God called Abraham for a specific purpose, that through him and his seed all the nations of the earth were to be blessed. Israel was to grow, to become a great people; Israel would be surrounded by other nations, yet be reckoned among the nations ( Num 23:9). Check out Deut. 4:5-8 too.
Morever, it was through this nation Israel that God brought forth Christ, the Redeemer, who would redeem the whole world.
Therefore, when Jesus said that the Kingdom of God is likened unto a treasure hid in a field, it means that Israel, and God's government through Israel was hidden in the world and aswaited manifestation.
Does anyone have anything to add here?
May God bless, golfjack
Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world.†For me, the treasure is what gives man access to the kingdom. And what is this most precious treasure?
Jesus also said, “unless man is born of the Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God.†So it is the Spirit that gives life and therefore enables man to enter God’s kingdom. It is the Spirit that is the treasure, for nothing else can compare with it.
And what of the field in which the treasure is hid? Since the treasure is the Spirit, the field IS the kingdom of God since it is God from whom alone the Spirit is imparted. And why or how is it hid? It is only God who can reveal it and then, only to those who have been enabled by God to ‘find’ it.
And at that point of receipt of the Spirit of God, the law – the living word of God – is written on man’s heart. Even as David was able to say, ‘thy word have I hid in my heart that I might not sin against thee’, so those who have been born of the Spirit and now have the word hidden within their hearts, have been released from the power of sin and death.
Truly, for those who have received such a precious gift, great is their joy. Suddenly, the things that had been valued, now counted for nothing.
Paul sums it up beautifully in this statement. But whatever was to my profit I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. What is more, I consider everything a loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christâ€â€the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith.
And he is fulfilling the words of Jesus who said, 'Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things will be added unto you.’
Jesus also said, “unless man is born of the Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God.†So it is the Spirit that gives life and therefore enables man to enter God’s kingdom. It is the Spirit that is the treasure, for nothing else can compare with it.
And what of the field in which the treasure is hid? Since the treasure is the Spirit, the field IS the kingdom of God since it is God from whom alone the Spirit is imparted. And why or how is it hid? It is only God who can reveal it and then, only to those who have been enabled by God to ‘find’ it.
And at that point of receipt of the Spirit of God, the law – the living word of God – is written on man’s heart. Even as David was able to say, ‘thy word have I hid in my heart that I might not sin against thee’, so those who have been born of the Spirit and now have the word hidden within their hearts, have been released from the power of sin and death.
Truly, for those who have received such a precious gift, great is their joy. Suddenly, the things that had been valued, now counted for nothing.
Paul sums it up beautifully in this statement. But whatever was to my profit I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. What is more, I consider everything a loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christâ€â€the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith.
And he is fulfilling the words of Jesus who said, 'Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things will be added unto you.’
lovely
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Jack,
This is a good thread, and an interesting parable.
1. Parable of the Hidden Treasure,
2. Parable of the Pearl of Great Price
3. Parable of the Dragnet
4. AND Parable of the Householder.
I believe they are all pieces in a picture of the Gospel message.
1. Jesus's love, and redemption of the church (Notice He redeems the field to gain the hidden treasure)
2. The believer's attititude about salvation, and the dying to Self to conform to Christ's image. (The Pearl of great Price is to gain Christ)
3. Is a view of the end of the ages when the wicked, and just, are separated. (Jesus explains this one)
4. Is Jesus's instruction to view the OLD teachings in light of the New ones.
I can accept much of mutz explanation too, though, but the field part throws it off for me, why not just buy the Pearl...if the field is the world? It seems like only Christ can buy the field.
I agree with much of what Jack offered, but I do think that the entire field was purchased for the benefit of the church, or the bride that God loves...those who believe, not the nation of Israel.
Just my thoughts, and again good thread, Jack. The Lord bless all of you.
This is a good thread, and an interesting parable.
1. Parable of the Hidden Treasure,
2. Parable of the Pearl of Great Price
3. Parable of the Dragnet
4. AND Parable of the Householder.
I believe they are all pieces in a picture of the Gospel message.
1. Jesus's love, and redemption of the church (Notice He redeems the field to gain the hidden treasure)
2. The believer's attititude about salvation, and the dying to Self to conform to Christ's image. (The Pearl of great Price is to gain Christ)
3. Is a view of the end of the ages when the wicked, and just, are separated. (Jesus explains this one)
4. Is Jesus's instruction to view the OLD teachings in light of the New ones.
I can accept much of mutz explanation too, though, but the field part throws it off for me, why not just buy the Pearl...if the field is the world? It seems like only Christ can buy the field.
I agree with much of what Jack offered, but I do think that the entire field was purchased for the benefit of the church, or the bride that God loves...those who believe, not the nation of Israel.
Just my thoughts, and again good thread, Jack. The Lord bless all of you.
Gabbylittleangel
Member
lovely said:
I love the lessons that the pearl teaches.
A thing of beauty gained as a result of suffering.
Gabbylittleangel
Member
mutzrein said:
Howdy mutzrein,
I know where Lovely is coming from. Many Bible teachers tell us that when something is used for a symbol in Scripture, it is typically used as a symbol of that thing all the way through Scripture.
In the parable just before this, when Jesus speaks of a field, He tells us that the field is the world.
Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one];
Like I said earlier, that is the really cool thing about the Word. It speaks to us where we are. In the story of the prodigal. Sometimes I read it and I relate to the younger brother, sometimes the older brother, sometimes the father.
Gabbylittleangel said:
Thanks Gabby. I like what it says a bit further down too after Jesus asked them if the disciples understood what he had been telling them. When they said, "Yes", He said to them, "Therefore every teacher of the law who has been instructed about the kingdom of heaven is like the owner of a house who brings out of his storeroom new treasures as well as old."
Yes there are old treasures, but God's storeroom is so bountiful that he still reveals new ones. Let us make sure we can take hold of the new while not forsaking the old.
lovely
Member
:-D Sorry Mutz, I had to giggle because you are right, you did not say it was the field...though the end where he buys the field is where I would part ways with you...I see it as the world.
The reason for the giggle, and probably the confusion due to my lack of clarity, is because I read this thread with my husband, and children, this morning...and there were a lot of meanings being offered up loudly by the 10, 7, 4, and 52 year olds in the room. :-D And, I had to read Jack's explanation twice so that everyone could get it straight. lol
Anyway, please forgive me, I did not mean to misrepresnt you at all, I apologize. I was lacking in clarity.
Gabby is right. I tend to see the field as the world, but my husband tended to agree more with you, though slightly different. My son (10) said maybe it means both, and my husband told him as long as it is biblically correct that it may. We were just sort of pondering how much rich Truth can be found in such simple parables. Anyway, a lot of opinions were floating around our fireplace as I was typing...and I did not word that correctly. The Lord bless you.
The reason for the giggle, and probably the confusion due to my lack of clarity, is because I read this thread with my husband, and children, this morning...and there were a lot of meanings being offered up loudly by the 10, 7, 4, and 52 year olds in the room. :-D And, I had to read Jack's explanation twice so that everyone could get it straight. lol
Anyway, please forgive me, I did not mean to misrepresnt you at all, I apologize. I was lacking in clarity.
Gabby is right. I tend to see the field as the world, but my husband tended to agree more with you, though slightly different. My son (10) said maybe it means both, and my husband told him as long as it is biblically correct that it may. We were just sort of pondering how much rich Truth can be found in such simple parables. Anyway, a lot of opinions were floating around our fireplace as I was typing...and I did not word that correctly. The Lord bless you.
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PDoug
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Matthew 13golfjack said:
44"The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field.
The kingdom or mysteries of the Godhead, are treasure hidden in a field called faith. When a person finds the mysteries, he hides them - for very few appreciate them. He then divests all his interests in the world, for the sake of his faith, which means everything to him.
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Oscar3
Guest
Well to be honest, I don't know. I thought I would sighn on to follow and learn. Golf. Good Idea 
Gabbylittleangel
Member
Mat 13:44 ¶ Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
ARRRGHHH!
Ok, golfjack, was it a trick question, or did we all miss this?
the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure
ARRRGHHH!
Ok, golfjack, was it a trick question, or did we all miss this?
the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure
Gabbylittleangel
Member
Re: reply
The gospel is not hidden. Not now. It was once. The field has been purchased!
Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
The kingdom has been at hand for 2000 years.
Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
According to Eph 1:14, we are now waiting for the redemption.
Luk 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
In Luke 19 Jesus told another parable about the Kingdom. Luke 19:11 ...because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. He told the story of the nobleman who told his servants to do business until he returned. He told them in Luke 19:13 ...Occupy till I come. We are to be about the Fathers business, until the redemption. Occupy is also a military term. When a war is won, the soldiers stay in the war zone until all things are under control.
Occupy:
To take or hold possession of; to hold or keep for use; to possess.
To possess or use the time or capacity of; to engage the service of; to employ; to busy.
To do business in; to busy one's self with.
To hold possession; to be an occupant.
Israel was chosen to bless all nations. The way Israel was to do that was to tell all nations about the Word of God. I stand with the nation of Israel, Israel did not lose its importance nor has she lost her promises of God, but it is important to note that Christians are not second class Jews.
1Pe 2:9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
golfjack said:
The gospel is not hidden. Not now. It was once. The field has been purchased!
Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
The kingdom has been at hand for 2000 years.
Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
According to Eph 1:14, we are now waiting for the redemption.
Luk 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
In Luke 19 Jesus told another parable about the Kingdom. Luke 19:11 ...because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. He told the story of the nobleman who told his servants to do business until he returned. He told them in Luke 19:13 ...Occupy till I come. We are to be about the Fathers business, until the redemption. Occupy is also a military term. When a war is won, the soldiers stay in the war zone until all things are under control.
Occupy:
To take or hold possession of; to hold or keep for use; to possess.
To possess or use the time or capacity of; to engage the service of; to employ; to busy.
To do business in; to busy one's self with.
To hold possession; to be an occupant.
Israel was chosen to bless all nations. The way Israel was to do that was to tell all nations about the Word of God. I stand with the nation of Israel, Israel did not lose its importance nor has she lost her promises of God, but it is important to note that Christians are not second class Jews.
1Pe 2:9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
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D46
Guest
And, how has Israel done this? By the holy Prophets and Apostles who spoke and scribes who penned the very inspired words of God on scrolls and by God raising up men like John Wycliff and William Tyndale to translate those words into the English language and most all others eventually. It is through this method that God has revealed Himself to us and we have the Jews to thank.
http://www.williamtyndale.com/0welcomew ... yndale.htm
Gabbylittleangel
Member
D46 said:
Amen