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The Hour Of Temptation

FEAR IS THE [BEGINNING] OF WISDOM! Then comes [PEACE 'IN CHRIST'!]
 
Psa 111:10 The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all they that do his commandments: His praise endureth for ever.
 
Cornelius said:
Psa 111:10 The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all they that do his commandments: His praise endureth for ever.

I agree. My thinking is how to reach the unsaved. In Jude we see that there are two ways at least. And surely these ones MUST be Born Again & then the FEAR of God is REPLACED WITH Agape Love & Respective fear.

--Elijah
 
A good understanding have all they that do his commandments

All that do not his commandments have they understanding?

Or are they sanctifying themselves? Replacing what God said with their own understanding. Ouch !
 
Cornelius said:
Then I guess you should sleep with your running shoes on.

at the time appointed :lol

Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16: Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19: And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Have you seen this event? are you old enough to have seen the last two great world wars, so you must wait for it, the GT will be greater that these two combined.

Jesus words are to flee when we see this guy?

is this what you read?
 
Cornelius said:
Psa 111:10 The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all they that do his commandments: His praise endureth for ever.

if this be the case lets read Jesus again in Matthew

15: When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)16: Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19: And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

do you understand?
 
Elijah674 said:
Cornelius said:
Psa 111:10 The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all they that do his commandments: His praise endureth for ever.

I agree. My thinking is how to reach the unsaved. In Jude we see that there are two ways at least. And surely these ones MUST be Born Again & then the FEAR of God is REPLACED WITH Agape Love & Respective fear.

--Elijah

who told you to reach the unsaved?

how do you know if a person is saved or not?

saved from what?

obeying God's words is what saves?

read this and understand Elijah

Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

and this Elijah

Phil 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

who needs Elijah to saved them or reach them?

what do you understand in those two verse from Paul?
 
Elijah674 said:
Cornelius said:
Psa 111:10 The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all they that do his commandments: His praise endureth for ever.

I agree. My thinking is how to reach the unsaved. In Jude we see that there are two ways at least. And surely these ones MUST be Born Again & then the FEAR of God is REPLACED WITH Agape Love & Respective fear.

--Elijah


where do you read in the bible where God's fear is replaced by agape love and respective fear?

Long after Jesus death and resurrection the Lord had 3 witnesses write

Acts 13:16 Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience.

1Pt 2:17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

Rv 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.


now you come along and give your opinion that contradicts the bible!!

shame on you!!! :confused
 
Cornelius said:
Then I guess you should sleep with your running shoes on.

:lol

I agree what about me im in Cali,,,,,when I see the abomination I wont have time to make it to the mountains of Judea,,,,,,whats the price of a same day ticket to Judea?????
 
Shouldn't forget the Luke 21 version of the get out of Judea command...

Luke 21:17-23
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for My name's sake.
18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
19 In your patience possess ye your souls.
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
(KJV)

In your patience possess ye your souls? That's the connection of being kept from the hour of temptation our Lord was speaking of in Revelation 3. It does not mean a literal escape by a rapture off the earth. It means not being deceived along with the majority of the world, and especially the deceived that will FLOCK to Jerusalem when the abomination of desolation is setup.

At the end of Luke 17 our Lord also spoke of two in the field, one taken and the other left. And when asked what He meant by those who are taken, He said wheresover the body is, that's where the eagles will be gathered together. The Matt.24:28 version of that uses the word "carcase" (dead body). It's a metaphor for where the spiritually dead will be gathered, or taken into deception, like Isaiah 28 shows. It's going to be because of a truly 'greatest show on earth' in Jerusalem by a false messiah that will do great miracles and wonders there in the sight of men (Rev.13:11 forward; Matt.24:24 about 'a pseudo messiah' - rendered "false Christ's" in the KJV).

So the warning is truly about false worship that's to take place in Judea/Jerusalem in the end of days. Our Lord Jesus is telling His to get out of that area of the earth, and don't partake in that false worship that will go on there. Both the time of Antiochus in 170 B.C., and the Roman army destroying Jerusalemm in 70 A.D. serve as blueprints for that future event in Jerusalem. In 70 A.D. lot of Christians in Judea actually fled out of Judea. They didn't have to leave the earth to do that, and nor will we. This is also why our Lord said if you're in one of the countries when that event happens, don't come to Jerusalem; stay away. But many will literally flock to Jerusalem when the antichrist shows up there and sets up false worship. That's... where the 'eagles' will be gathered to feed on those spiritually dead carcases.

Even our Lord's warning of "Woe unto them that are with child..." is actually a spiritual metaphor about falling away to worship that coming false messiah. The 'with child' metaphor was given in many places in the OT, and was used to point to the spiritual harlot in false worship. So if you're caught 'with child' in the spiritual false worship sense, it means you've gone to the WRONG wedding and married another, instead of waiting for the True Wedding when Christ does come after those events happen. That's what our Lord Jesus was teaching when He gave the ten virgins parable, and Apostle Paul the "chaste virgin" idea. In that parable, the idea is you don't want to be caught 'with child' in the spiritual false worship sense, playing the spiritual harlot and found pregnant (spiritual sense, not literal sense), by Christ when He does come after those events in Jerusalem.
 
ozell said:
Elijah674 said:
Cornelius said:
Psa 111:10 The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all they that do his commandments: His praise endureth for ever.

I agree. My thinking is how to reach the unsaved. In Jude we see that there are two ways at least. And surely these ones MUST be Born Again & then the FEAR of God is REPLACED WITH Agape Love & Respective fear.

--Elijah


where do you read in the bible where God's fear is replaced by agape love and respective fear?

Long after Jesus death and resurrection the Lord had 3 witnesses write

Acts 13:16 Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience.

1Pt 2:17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

Rv 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.


now you come along and give your opinion that contradicts the bible!!

shame on you!!! :confused

Here is the REPEAT above again.. Anyone who FEARS God in Jer. 17:5 defining of man's reasoning? has missed the Born Again [REQUIRED] Agape Love. Jude 22 tell's of the two way to CHANGE the carnal heart, but it [MUST BE CHANGED]!
It will not be possible for any to go through eternity fearing that they might be zapped by God at any second! Nah. 1:9 True LOVE WILL BE THE REASON ONE IS SAVED (not fear!) Christ said... 'IF YE [[LOVE ME]] KEEP MY COMANDMENTS'. (not if ye fear me!)

Yes, and I do understand the 'two reason's again from Jude's Inspiration, but to threaten by a 'false fear' such as an eternal burning hell is satanic at best, and is not the way to save the lost ever! and after one is Born Again? These Babes are [IN] Christ with their FIRST LOVE, FEAR IS ALL GONE! Rom. 8:1 + Rom. 8:14. If one leaves Christ?? Then they have left the 'SEVEN CITIES' (which represented Christ) of their REFUGE & satan can zap them. Their peace in Christ is GONE! Heb. 6:6.

And again: Understand that once that one COMES TO CHRIST, the [PAST] reason is of NO VALUE as long as the person surrenders their will!

--Elijah
 
quote="Elijah674"]
Cornelius said:
Psa 111:10 The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all they that do his commandments: His praise endureth for ever.

I agree. My thinking is how to reach the unsaved. In Jude we see that there are two ways at least. And surely these ones MUST be Born Again & then the FEAR of God is REPLACED WITH Agape Love & Respective fear.

--Elijah[/quote]


where do you read in the bible where God's fear is replaced by agape love and respective fear?

Long after Jesus death and resurrection the Lord had 3 witnesses write

Acts 13:16 Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience.

1Pt 2:17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

Rv 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.


now you come along and give your opinion that contradicts the bible!!

shame on you!!! :confused[/quote]

Here is the REPEAT above again.. Anyone who FEARS God in Jer. 17:5 defining of man's reasoning? has missed the Born Again [REQUIRED] Agape Love. Jude 22 tell's of the two way to CHANGE the carnal heart, but it [MUST BE CHANGED]!
It will not be possible for any to go through eternity fearing that they might be zapped by God at any second! Nah. 1:9 True LOVE WILL BE THE REASON ONE IS SAVED (not fear!) Christ said... 'IF YE [[LOVE ME]] KEEP MY COMANDMENTS'. (not if ye fear me!)

Yes, and I do understand the 'two reason's again from Jude's Inspiration, but to threaten by a 'false fear' such as an eternal burning hell is satanic at best, and is not the way to save the lost ever! and after one is Born Again? These Babes are [IN] Christ with their FIRST LOVE, FEAR IS ALL GONE! Rom. 8:1 + Rom. 8:14. If one leaves Christ?? Then they have left the 'SEVEN CITIES' (which represented Christ) of their REFUGE & satan can zap them. Their peace in Christ is GONE! Heb. 6:6.

And again: Understand that once that one COMES TO CHRIST, the [PAST] reason is of NO VALUE as long as the person surrenders their will!

--Elijah[/quote]

[17] Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
[18] There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
 
ozell said:
15: When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)16: Then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains:

do you understand?

Yes, it says those who are in ..............Judea.......must flee to the mountains.

I must tell you that this particular incident has already happened in 70 AD and they indeed did flee to the mountains. That was the "mini-me" of the coming tribulation. This time you are not going to be able to get to Israel so that you can flee. Also there are millions of Christians and God really did not mean for us to be part of a stampede of fleeing Christians , who will then go and sit on a mountain for seven years. I am sure you are able to imagine how impossible that scenario is in reality ! Toilets, water, housing, food, ..............:)
 
Yet a fleeing to Jerusalem is exactly what the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem who are ready to build another temple are advertising among many Christian Churches today. The global Church community is very active with that movement in Jerusalem today. They are even using ideas like America and the EU being the Revelation Babylon as reason for Christians to start thinking about trekking to Jerusalem in the near future, to prepare for what? For the coming of Messiah, which those orthodox Jews there are awaiting also. So the real signs point to Scripture being fulfilled just like our Lord Jesus said about those who are to be 'taken' (in deception) being gathered wheresoever the eagles are gathered, meaning Jerusalem. That will be in prep for the last showing of 'Jesus Christ Superstar' on earth, main problem being, that one who will appear in Jerusalem won't be The Lord Jesus Christ, but an imposter.
 
veteran said:
Yet a fleeing to Jerusalem is exactly what the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem who are ready to build another temple are advertising among many Christian Churches today. The global Church community is very active with that movement in Jerusalem today. They are even using ideas like America and the EU being the Revelation Babylon as reason for Christians to start thinking about trekking to Jerusalem in the near future, to prepare for what? For the coming of Messiah, which those orthodox Jews there are awaiting also. So the real signs point to Scripture being fulfilled just like our Lord Jesus said about those who are to be 'taken' (in deception) being gathered wheresoever the eagles are gathered, meaning Jerusalem. That will be in prep for the last showing of 'Jesus Christ Superstar' on earth, main problem being, that one who will appear in Jerusalem won't be The Lord Jesus Christ, but an imposter.

You can be sure of one thing. We are going to see the spiritual fulfillment this time. No going to real Jerusalem, but safety indeed is to be found inside spiritual Jerusalem. That would be where God is dwelling. That is where Jesus is sitting on the throne of David at this moment. That is where the temple is and this is built on top of God's Kingdom (spiritual Mt Zion) and for sure, that is where we have to flee to.

The walls (meaning :separation from the world/holiness/sanctification) is our protection, because that will keep us IN Christ, inside the Kingdom and that is the only place where God can protect His own. All else is "letter" and has no saving power. We can all run to Israel and we will miss God.He is not to be found in that old city anymore. He is now in His Kingdom, which is inside His people.
Hbr 12:18 For ye are not come unto [a mount] that might be touched, and that burned with fire, and unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,


Hbr 12:19 and the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which [voice] they that heard entreated that no word more should be spoken unto them;


Hbr 12:20 for they could not endure that which was enjoined, If even a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned;


Hbr 12:21 and so fearful was the appearance, [that] Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:


Hbr 12:22 but ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable hosts of angels,


Hbr 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


Hbr 12:24 and to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaketh better than [that of] Abel.
 
(THE) said:
Cornelius said:
Then I guess you should sleep with your running shoes on.
:lol
I agree what about me im in Cali,,,,,when I see the abomination I wont have time to make it to the mountains of Judea,,,,,,whats the price of a same day ticket to Judea?????

Ignorance is not an excuse, Let read

Ps 91:

1: He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
2: I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

The secret place of the most high, is the fortress and refuge and God's angels will have charge over us.
if we be so bless. there is nothing like a good laugh, but laughing will not get keep you from the Great Tribulation. understanding and knowledge!!!
 
The idea of a false one coming to sit in a temple per 2 Thessalonians 2:4, to proclaim himself as God, is not about any spiritual temple idea. Why?

It's simple, because the spiritual temple idea Paul taught in Ephesians 2:20-22 is ONLY in the positive. It can never involve the idea of apostates, for the spiritual temple of Eph.2 involves the foundation of Christ's apostles and prophets, and Christ Himself as the Chief Cornerstone.

Eph 2:20-22
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
(KJV)

So how will the "son of perdition" Paul mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 sitting in the temple of God to proclaim himself as God, and over everything that is worshipped, sit in Christ's spiritual temple? It's impossible, otherwise Christ's spiritual temple would cease to exist. And what did our Lord Jesus say when He was accused of casting out demons by the power of Beelzebub? "If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand?" (Luke 11:18).

This is also how we know the apostates who fall away from Christ can no longer take part in the spiritual temple idea of Eph.2. How can Christ's spiritual temple still stand if it includes falseness and apostates? It cannot house apostates, which is why Christ said the time will come when many will say to Him, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name?", and He will say to them, "I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity." (Matt.27:22-23)

This is how we can be certain the temple Paul mentioned in 2 Thess.2:4 which the "son of perdition", the "man of sin", "that Wicked", is to come and sit in, is a literal physical temple on earth. Christ's spiritual temple cannot support such a working, for it's ONLY about the true.

That's why it's wrong to try and turn that 2 Thess.2:4 temple into a spiritual idea, when it's about a literal temple.
 
Likewise, in 2 Thess.2, the reason for the great falling away being linked with the son of perdition coming to sit in a physical temple to setup false worship, is because it will involve a literal temple where many will flock to in deception, thinking that Messiah has come.
 
Truly, our Ark of protection for the end of days is our Lord Jesus Christ. End time prophecy includes parallels to the idea of a flood, and of the time of Noah. I'm going to give an example of HOW God's Word uses spiritual metaphor to teach about a literal event.

In Rev.9 our Lord Jesus gave a sign about the locust army only being given to sting those not sealed with God's seal for a period of "five months". That stinging is about deception, lies that come out of the mouths of the locust army, using fire and brimstone and smoke as symbols for it.

That "five months" time period is comparable to the amount of time Noah's ark was upon the flood of waters. This is one of the reasons I believe our Lord is using the idea of a flood out of the dragon's mouth to attack the symbolic 'woman' of Rev.12, which that woman represents God's people being persecuted after Satan and his angels are cast down to the earth.

At the end of Gen.7 we're told the flood waters prevailed upon the earth for a period of one hundred and fifty days. Per the old Hebrew calendar reckoning, thirty days equaled one month. So 150 days divided by 30 = five months. That's the same time as the "five months" stinging of Rev.9 by the locust army.

With Noah's ark, God closed the door of the ark and shut Noah and his family in. Satan's flood of lies in the end of days represents the flood waters in Noah's day. The ark represents God's protection over His saints in the end of days, even through that "five months" period of Rev.9. The ark in our times is in the spiritual sense, whereas it was a literal ark in Noah's days. The flood out of the dragon's mouth is spiritual also, in as much as its purpose is to cause deception to false worship.

Even though the end time flood is about spiritual deception, it still involves a literal working on the earth in the end of days. It involves literal doctrines designed to lead the believer astray from Christ. It involves literal works, in doing works of iniquity that help support the flood out of the dragon's mouth.

Christ Jesus is our symbolic Ark of protection like the physical ark which protected Noah and his. Even Christ's protection over His in the end of days is a literal working, and is especially about keeping His servants out of deception when the "hour of temptation" comes.

A coming false messiah is especially what that "hour of temptation" will be about. And that false one will not be a temptation to those in Christ who keep the word of His patience. Instead, the final Antichrist will be to us an abomination, a detestable working on the earth. That's how the dragon will not be a temptation to those of us who remain in Christ all the way through the coming tribulation. That's how one is kept from the hour of temptation, for it means not being deceived when the majority will be, even when the deceived persecute you for standing in Christ.

The type of false working for the very end of days we've been given many symbols for, and literal pointers. It's going to involve a false one coming to claim he is God, and being given the power of the supernatural to try and prove it. Because of the supernatural working of great signs and wonders of miracles that false one will do on earth, the majority of the world will be deceived by it, literally thinking that false one is indeed God come to the earth. We've been shown that false one will be the devil himself, which is why he will be so deceiving, for God made him originally the full pattern, meaning he's a beautiful angel, not the traditional association of having a pitchfork and red flannel underwear. No flesh man has ever done what the devil as false messiah will do on the earth in our near future. That's why he will be so deceptive, because the majority are not prepared for that level of deception.

Just imagine, that level of deception will even turn even many atheists around in their beliefs. Even materialist scientists and evolutionists will be faced with a dilema in their beliefs. That's how even many believers on Christ will be fooled, and will think that Christ has returned. And if they believe that's Christ that has come, what will they seek to do? To flock to that false one. This is why we cannot compare how things are done today with that future time of that false one's appearance on earth, working miracles and great signs. It's going to change the paradigm's of many peoples today.

The 'age of reason' since it began started the creation of a great contrast in ways of thinking on earth. When more and more people began to understand the nature of science, and especially how the usage of the scientific method rules can be used to arrive at basic truths, that began as a replacement for the reality of many people's thinking and beliefs. The more evidences it produced, the more contrast it created with religious ideas and ancient philosophies. Very few today have been left out today in enjoying many of the benefits of what scientific study has produced. For many, it has created a distrust in religious Truth as written in God's Word, and so it has helped in the role of apostasy. And now that the scientific method has been applied in the social realms of man's existence, it has created an even greater contrast between matters spiritual.

Thus, many today are not prepared for the supernatural events that are going to be revealed on this earth in our near future.
 
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