The Hour Of Temptation

[ozell]

"veteran"]Yet a fleeing to Jerusalem is exactly what the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem who are ready to build another temple are advertising among many Christian Churches today.

These guys want Jews to return to Jerusalem and christians to join there cause?

The global Church community is very active with that movement in Jerusalem today. They are even using ideas like America and the EU being the Revelation Babylon as reason for Christians to start thinking about trekking to Jerusalem in the near future, to prepare for what? For the coming of Messiah, which those orthodox Jews there are awaiting also. So the real signs point to Scripture being fulfilled just like our Lord Jesus said about those who are to be 'taken' (in deception) being gathered wheresoever the eagles are gathered, meaning Jerusalem. That will be in prep for the last showing of 'Jesus Christ Superstar' on earth, main problem being, that one who will appear in Jerusalem won't be The Lord Jesus Christ, but an imposter

so why do people think Matthew 24 already happened? when the jews action are showing the world that a temple will be built and they await for the Messiah the first time.

see the confusion here.

Jesus said flee this is what I want you to understand.

flee only when you see a certain event!!

 

[ozell]

15: When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand16: Then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains:

do you understand?

Yes, it says those who are in ..............Judea.......must flee to the mountains.

I must tell you that this particular incident has already happened in 70 AD and they indeed did flee to the mountains. That was the "mini-me" of the coming tribulation. This time you are not going to be able to get to Israel so that you can flee. Also there are millions of Christians and God really did not mean for us to be part of a stampede of fleeing Christians , who will then go and sit on a mountain for seven years. I am sure you are able to imagine how impossible that scenario is in reality ! Toilets, water, housing, food, ..............

and it must happened again because Jesus said so. the wilderness, is where the church flee for protection from the AC and satan.

it was impossible for the Israelites and the mixed multitude when they came out of Egypt, yet the clothes and shoes did not wax old. They had food and shelter. they had a cloud by day and a pillar by nite.

Guess who that was? Jesus

1Corith 10v
1: Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2: And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3: And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4: And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5: But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6: Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7: Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8: Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9: Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents

 

[ozell]

Likewise, in 2 Thess.2, the reason for the great falling away being linked with the son of perdition coming to sit in a physical temple to setup false worship, is because it will involve a literal temple where many will flock to in deception, thinking that Messiah has come.

yet

Mt 24v24: For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

 

[JudaicChristian]

The Hebrews have returned, and there are Christians who are helping. So whats new?

 

[ozell]

The idea of a false one coming to sit in a temple per 2 Thessalonians 2:4, to proclaim himself as God, is not about any spiritual temple idea. Why?

it is all literal and physical. It has been spoken and it will happen

lets read

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

lets read again the words of Jesus

Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

16: Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19: And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

future event

are you ready for this??

 

[ozell]

The Hebrews have returned, and there are Christians who are helping. So whats new?

where is the hebrews at?

where are the other tribes of Israel?

the arabs are hebrews Mdo?

what is new is this, the chrisitans world believes in a rapture or staying put enduring the GT.

Both doctrines are wrong!

The Lord has a place of safety during this horrific time, its called the wilderness, the same wilderness the Lord took the Israelites and the mix multitude!

yet their is nothing new under the sun, if you have understanding!

 

[JudaicChristian]

There are two kinds of Christians in the world; watchers, and doers. The doers are the Sons of Thunder who belong to the Seven lampsticks.

 

[JudaicChristian]

The Hebrews have returned, and there are Christians who are helping. So whats new?

where is the hebrews at?

where are the other tribes of Israel?

the arabs are hebrews Mdo?

what is new is this, the chrisitans world believes in a rapture or staying put enduring the GT.

Both doctrines are wrong!

The Lord has a place of safety during this horrific time, its called the wilderness, the same wilderness the Lord took the Israelites and the mix multitude!

yet their is nothing new under the sun, if you have understanding!

The Hebrews are the free woman, not of the slave woman. We are grafted to the free woman. I know as a matter of fact that Christ wants to take us under his wing. Try and prove that to Christians who are sitting on their hands and watching.

 

[JudaicChristian]

The Sons of Thunder are not those who sit on there hands and watch, but they are those who take action.

 

[veteran]

These guys want Jews to return to Jerusalem and christians to join there cause?

Where do you think a lot of the red heifers the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem have been sacrificing have come from since 1997? One company started up in Tenn. called 'Jesus, Inc.', supported by CHRISTIAN ministers, were sending red heifers to the Jews in Jerusalem back in the late 1990's. A Christian group in Texas was doing the same. Research the Land of Israel and Temple Mount Faithful group in Israel, if you've not heard of their movement and their OFFER to the Christian Churches to join their movement.

so why do people think Matthew 24 already happened? when the jews action are showing the world that a temple will be built and they await for the Messiah the first time.

see the confusion here.

Jesus said flee this is what I want you to understand.

flee only when you see a certain event!!

It's not important what people say, it's important what our Lord says in His Word. We can look out at the world and often not immediately see signs for an unfulfilled prophecy in God's Word. And yet, with time, the conditions come forth. In Rev.11 it's written that all nations will 'see' the dead bodies of God's two witnesses laying the street of Jerusalem. How can that be possible for all nations to see that today? It's called satellite technology. And how long has that condition existed? So those living back let's say in the late 1800's didn't have that technology condition. And yet, that condition for fulfilling that sign exists today.

Flee where? In the Luke 21 example, our Lord Jesus also told those in the countries to stay out of Jerusalem along with that flee Judea Message. Where does that mean those in the countries are to be? They are to remain in the country where they are. That does not point to a rapture, and nor does His warning for those in Jerusalem to flee. The time of fleeing in Zech.14 is later, and is about His gathering of the saints to be where He will then be, when He returns to Jerusalem.

 

[veteran]

Likewise, in 2 Thess.2, the reason for the great falling away being linked with the son of perdition coming to sit in a physical temple to setup false worship, is because it will involve a literal temple where many will flock to in deception, thinking that Messiah has come.

yet

Mt 24v24: For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

If you look at the verse prior and after that go along with Matthew 24:24, you'll discover our Lord Jesus talking about one, a specific false messiah, and not many:

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, he is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, he is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
(KJV)

This is why Strong's definition for the phrase "false Christs" (pseudochristos) is 'a pseudo Christ'. The word pseudo means false, and the word Christos means 'Christ' per the Greek.

How many is Rev.13:11 forward talking about that's to work great wonders and miracles in the sight on men on earth, and sets up an abomination idol for false worship? Only one entity, the "another beast" who has two horns like a Lamb, but speaks as the 'dragon'.

That false messiah is what the "strong delusion" Apostle Paul taught in 2 Thess. 2 is about. The unbelieving Jews refused Christ Jesus when He came the first time, so God is indeed sending them one they will believe. Didn't our Lord Jesus even hint to that when He said...

John 5:43
43 I am come in My Father's name, and ye receive Me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
(KJV)

 

[veteran]

The idea of a false one coming to sit in a temple per 2 Thessalonians 2:4, to proclaim himself as God, is not about any spiritual temple idea. Why?

it is all literal and physical. It has been spoken and it will happen

lets read

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

lets read again the words of Jesus

Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

16: Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19: And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

future event

are you ready for this??

Ready for what, to flee? Flee to where? Where's the "wilderness" per Rev.12?

This is the event of fleeing we are to heed that's meant for us in the end of days...

Luke 21:20-22
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
(KJV)

When the Roman army destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D., many in Judea did actually flee into literal mountains. That represents the "wilderness" of God's protection also for the above coming events. Notice the above is about Christ's coming to destroy those armies surrounding Jerusalem. Notice He also said "and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto", meaning into Jerusalem. Why?

Because that's about the fulfilling of the "days of vengeance" per Isaiah 61:2, the part which our Lord Jesus did not read in the Temple from Isaiah, because His first coming was not for that "days of vengeacne" part (see Luke 4). It's about His second coming to that area of Jerusalem/Judea.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Sometimes understanding prophecy can be complicated because there may be more than one meaning. Have either one of you studied The Book of Enoch, or The Dead Sea Scrolls in English?

 

[veteran]

Sometimes understanding prophecy can be complicated because there may be more than one meaning. Have either one of you studied The Book of Enoch, or The Dead Sea Scrolls in English?

I studied both the book of Enoch and a version of the Dead Sea scrolls a long time ago. Both had non-Biblical ideas in them that either came from translation bias, corrupt originals, or both.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Sometimes understanding prophecy can be complicated because there may be more than one meaning. Have either one of you studied The Book of Enoch, or The Dead Sea Scrolls in English?

I studied both the book of Enoch and a version of the Dead Sea scrolls a long time ago. Both had non-Biblical ideas in them that either came from translation bias, corrupt originals, or both.

I understand your complaint and agree, but beside the usual problems, did you see the parts that are divinely inspired? Try reading "The Dead Sea Scrolls in English," by G Vermes. The only edited version of The Book of Enoch was done by RH Charles. It marks possible corruptions of scripture. And of course, all of the other books of Enoch are Gnostic corruptions. A note for you. This is from my own personal writtings: Symbolic Word List

Along With Scriptural Links.



Aaron.
"Messiah of Aaron and Israel." Priest and nation, Knowledge and wisdom.
Dead Sea Scrolls: The Damascus Rule.#6. "But God remembered the Covenant with the forfathers,and He raised from Aaron men of discernment and from Israel men of wisdom,".
The Community Rule (1QS) D.S.S. #9. "until there shall come the prophet and Messiah of Aaron and Israel".

Yahshua is the Messiah of Aaron and Israel.
Isaiah 11:2
The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him— the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD...

Luke 2:40-47. 40. And the child grew and became strong; he was filled with wisdom, and the grace of God was upon him. 47. Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers.

1Cor 1:30. It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God...
/// There is only one Messiah.

 

[ozell]

There are two kinds of Christians in the world; watchers, and doers. The doers are the Sons of Thunder who belong to the Seven lampsticks.

where is this written in the bible?

 

[ozell]

The Hebrews are the free woman, not of the slave woman. We are grafted to the free woman. I know as a matter of fact that Christ wants to take us under his wing. Try and prove that to Christians who are sitting on their hands and watching.

Hebrews are from the seed of shem, yet we have not found the 12 tribes of Israel yet.

the other son's of Noah Japheth and Ham are christians also where do they fit in at?

who is of the slave woman?

 

[ozell]

Where do you think a lot of the red heifers the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem have been sacrificing have come from since 1997? One company started up in Tenn. called 'Jesus, Inc.', supported by CHRISTIAN ministers, were sending red heifers to the Jews in Jerusalem back in the late 1990's. A Christian group in Texas was doing the same. Research the Land of Israel and Temple Mount Faithful group in Israel, if you've not heard of their movement and their OFFER to the Christian Churches to join their movement.

I know of this, been following since 1994!!!

It's not important what people say, it's important what our Lord says in His Word. We can look out at the world and often not immediately see signs for an unfulfilled prophecy in God's Word. And yet, with time, the conditions come forth. In Rev.11 it's written that all nations will 'see' the dead bodies of God's two witnesses laying the street of Jerusalem. How can that be possible for all nations to see that today? It's called satellite technology. And how long has that condition existed? So those living back let's say in the late 1800's didn't have that technology condition. And yet, that condition for fulfilling that sign exists today.

when the temple is built and we see a person claimingto be God move into the temple
Jesus said flee

Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16: Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19: And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

[ozell]

Flee where? In the Luke 21 example, our Lord Jesus also told those in the countries to stay out of Jerusalem along with that flee Judea Message. Where does that mean those in the countries are to be? They are to remain in the country where they are. That does not point to a rapture, and nor does His warning for those in Jerusalem to flee. The time of fleeing in Zech.14 is later, and is about His gathering of the saints to be where He will then be, when He returns to Jerusalem.

Jesus said flee when you see this guy

Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16: Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19: And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

again he had written

Rv 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Rv 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

 

[ozell]

Rv 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Rv 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

where is this place prepared of by God?

where is this place reserved for the woman?