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The Kingdom Of Heaven
- Thread starter Edward
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Please start another thread for the ox topic.. This one is on the Kingdom of God Kingdom of Heaven
Moderator reba
after a PM with member the request to make the point here .. Then open a "ox' thread for any farther discussion
Luke 6:17 KJV
And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people out of all Judaea and Jerusalem, and from the sea coast of Tyre and Sidon, which came to hear him, and to be healed of their diseases;
Matthew 13:34 KJV
All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Jesus just spoke parables to the multitude and gave no explanation to them. The tricky part here is there are disciples, the newly appointed apostles, and the multitudes present on the plain of Luke 6.
The beatitudes now drop the (in spirit) of Matthew 5
Luke 6:20 KJV
And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
Note the lack of (in spirit). It would be easy to mistake the statement for (take care of the poor and this work will get you into heaven).
Do not get me wrong. If helping the poor comes out of a God changed heart this is ok. If the helping the poor is a Pharisee type work for show it is not going to take a person to heaven for eternity.
When the law was in its schoolmaster mode there was a kingdom of sorts but hidden.
I Peter 2:24 is salvation.
Matthew 5 has the poor in spirit.
The poor in spirit was something that would happen at Pentecost. Till that time the disciples would:
Discuss who would sit by Jesus in kingdom
Forbid Jesus to suffer
Flee when Jesus was captured
Refuse to believe till a hand was placed in wound
etc.
We can have word without good ground.
Luke 6 does not mention heart like Matthew 5
IMHO the words kingdom of heaven / kingdom of God are a hint at the reality of Jesus coming from heaven into a body prepared for him, and then becoming a quickening spirit (2nd Adam) working in us to will and to do of his good pleasure.
His word in our hearts and minds causes poor in spirit and hunger and thirst for his righteousness.
A true kingdom within us
Or
An attempt at the externsl without the spirit.
One is heavenly
The circumcision party wanted external works of the law added to the Gentiles. Difference in poor and poor in spirit (if misunderstood.
Make any sense?
Do I need a redneck chastisement?
eddif
And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people out of all Judaea and Jerusalem, and from the sea coast of Tyre and Sidon, which came to hear him, and to be healed of their diseases;
Matthew 13:34 KJV
All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Jesus just spoke parables to the multitude and gave no explanation to them. The tricky part here is there are disciples, the newly appointed apostles, and the multitudes present on the plain of Luke 6.
The beatitudes now drop the (in spirit) of Matthew 5
Luke 6:20 KJV
And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
Note the lack of (in spirit). It would be easy to mistake the statement for (take care of the poor and this work will get you into heaven).
Do not get me wrong. If helping the poor comes out of a God changed heart this is ok. If the helping the poor is a Pharisee type work for show it is not going to take a person to heaven for eternity.
When the law was in its schoolmaster mode there was a kingdom of sorts but hidden.
I Peter 2:24 is salvation.
Matthew 5 has the poor in spirit.
The poor in spirit was something that would happen at Pentecost. Till that time the disciples would:
Discuss who would sit by Jesus in kingdom
Forbid Jesus to suffer
Flee when Jesus was captured
Refuse to believe till a hand was placed in wound
etc.
We can have word without good ground.
Luke 6 does not mention heart like Matthew 5
IMHO the words kingdom of heaven / kingdom of God are a hint at the reality of Jesus coming from heaven into a body prepared for him, and then becoming a quickening spirit (2nd Adam) working in us to will and to do of his good pleasure.
His word in our hearts and minds causes poor in spirit and hunger and thirst for his righteousness.
A true kingdom within us
Or
An attempt at the externsl without the spirit.
One is heavenly
The circumcision party wanted external works of the law added to the Gentiles. Difference in poor and poor in spirit (if misunderstood.
Make any sense?
Do I need a redneck chastisement?
eddif
Luke 16:25 KJV
But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Most everyone recognizes this scripture as a parable. A parable containing several deep truths though. I like the implication that physical death is not quiet.
There are implications of deep truth in the Luke 6 passage but the lack of (in spirit) leaves out (IMHO) much of what will happen at Pentecost.
Matthew 5:6 KJV
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
The waiting in Jerusalem for power is more implied in Matthew 5 than Luke 6. (More implications of the quickening spirit coming from heaven).
The heaven / God is not a big issue, but the parable like quality vs outright truth is significant.
Again how do we know the parable like quality was there?
Location
Audience
Why Jesus spoke in parables (so hearing they might not hear).
Redneck
eddif
But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Most everyone recognizes this scripture as a parable. A parable containing several deep truths though. I like the implication that physical death is not quiet.
There are implications of deep truth in the Luke 6 passage but the lack of (in spirit) leaves out (IMHO) much of what will happen at Pentecost.
Matthew 5:6 KJV
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
The waiting in Jerusalem for power is more implied in Matthew 5 than Luke 6. (More implications of the quickening spirit coming from heaven).
The heaven / God is not a big issue, but the parable like quality vs outright truth is significant.
Again how do we know the parable like quality was there?
Location
Audience
Why Jesus spoke in parables (so hearing they might not hear).
Redneck
eddif
See this thread is not about parables this thread is about the Kingdom of God
Edward
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Actually, in a way is sort of about parables in a round about way. That if the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of heaven is hinting that it may be speaking about different aspects of the Kingdom as a whole, then perhaps it is written kind of in the same way that parables are. SO that at first glance it is not understood, but with more digging and study about it, it may come out that there is something deeper there.
I respect that you want to keep the thread on topic, but if it's all the same to you, I kind of like the way the thread is going, with the different views and so forth. It's very thought provoking and something may still come of it. So if it's ok with you, I did start the thread and would like to let the Brother continue so let's let him continue here? I think I know where he's coming from and would like to let him continue. About the ox too.
Thanks
As has been shown, they are speaking of the same thing--two different terms for the same thing, nothing more.
The problem is that a claim has been made and no evidence given. Going off-topic as it has has distracted from having to provide evidence. If someone wants to speak about something else, they should start a new topic so such things are avoided.
Edward Still waiting.