The Land Promises to Israel were Completed Long, Long Ago.

[Charlie24]

This verse maybe?
The chapter discusses the dividing of the land to the tribes of Israel.

Ezekiel 48
22 Moreover from the possession of the Levites, and from the possession of the city, being in the midst of that which is the prince's, between the border of Judah and the border of Benjamin,

Yes, that's it, but there is much more context to that you may find interesting.

I'm sorry for not getting that out to you. I've been having a round with UR on another site.

But you've got it now, good work! I also remember another section of Scripture with the details.

Tomorrow morning I'll take a look and make sure you've got it all.

 

[Consecrated Life]

The biggest difference in the land of Israel will be the change in government.

It will go from the antichrist government it is today to a Christ government.

That's a given when you talk of them finally living in peace & safety.
God only does that for His faithful, which these Jews will be, having come to Christ as the Messiah.

Zec 3:9
................... I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
Zec 3:10
In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.

 

[Charlie24]

This verse maybe?
The chapter discusses the dividing of the land to the tribes of Israel.

Ezekiel 48
22 Moreover from the possession of the Levites, and from the possession of the city, being in the midst of that which is the prince's, between the border of Judah and the border of Benjamin,

Shilohsfoal

I have several old worn out Bibles with notes stuck in them everywhere. I found my notes on the land promise.

I'll give you an outline to follow for study that I have in my notes.

Beginning in Ezeckiel 47:13-23 you will find the instructions for dividing the land.

48:1-7 the division of the land.

48:8-14 the land for the priests and Levites.

48:15-20 the land for general use in the city.

48:21-22 the land that is given to the "Prince," or the High Priest.

48:23-29 the dividing to the remaining tribes.

48:30-35 the description of the great city, Jerusalem

Hope this helps.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Shilohsfoal

I have several old worn out Bibles with notes stuck in them everywhere. I found my notes on the land promise.

I'll give you an outline to follow for study that I have in my notes.

Beginning in Ezeckiel 47:13-23 you will find the instructions for dividing the land.

48:1-7 the division of the land.

48:8-14 the land for the priests and Levites.

48:15-20 the land for general use in the city.

48:21-22 the land that is given to the "Prince," or the High Priest.

48:23-29 the dividing to the remaining tribes.

48:30-35 the description of the great city, Jerusalem

Hope this helps.

10/4
Now you may want to give all that information to the OP,hes the one who seems to struggle with the subject.

 

[Highway54]

If you're referring to the 1 Cor. 15:24 verse, that is the Last Day of the world - just as Jesus says it is.

He tells us many times in John that He will gather His people on the Last Day.
John 6:39, 40, 44, 54
John 11:24; 12:48

He says that He does this immediately after the Tribulation.
Matt. 24:29-31

Paul tells us that He resurrects the saints upon His coming and the end follows immediately. That is when His current kingdom is turned over to the Father and all is finished for this current physical, fallen earth. All wickedness is destroyed at that time, including death, and eternity ensues.
1 Cor. 15:23-27

No mention in any of that of any Millennial Kingdom commencing at that time. Pretty big detail to leave out of every major end time passage in Scripture.

No sir, you are gonna love this, it is not the end, rather more like a beginning. When Jesus hands the Kingdom over to his God and Father, then we will have been brought back to the point just prior to the sin of Adam. All will have been set straight, then satan will be released from the abyss, and living mankind will undergo the test as perfect Adam and Eve had to. After a period of time, satan and those who choose to disobey God, will be permanently destroyed. That is it in a nutshell. Everlasting/eternal life does not end Wind. Rev 20

 

[Charlie24]

10/4
Now you may want to give all that information to the OP,hes the one who seems to struggle with the subject.

I try not to force anything on anyone. They have to see it for themselves.

I've had to let go of some things I had wrong through the years, and it's not easy.

 

[theWind]

The Covenant with Abraham was unconditional, when he left the Er of Chaldees to go to the land God would show him, there was no binding on that Covenant.

Gen. 12:1-3
"Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."

The "great nation" that God would make of Abraham is Israel.

Yes, there is Scripture that reveals the future land division for Israel. I will have to find it, can remember off the top of my head. The difference in the land division with Joshua and the future land division is that the tribe of Levi didn't have a part, but the future land division gives them a part. That is clencher that assures the "everlasting possession" is yet future.

Do you take into account that the Bible implies a spiritual Israel/jews and a spiritual Promised Land?

Or do you completely dismiss that notion altogether?

Are you familiar with what Jesus says to the jews in John 8:37, 39?

He says He knows they are Abraham's seed, but they are not Abraham's children.

That declares that there are two types of Abraham's offspring; a physical and a spiritual.

As many point out the everlasting nature of the covenant, that can only be possible if there is a land that will endure beyond the time of the destruction of the earth; a land that must exist in the Heavenly Kingdom after this world is gone.

The Promised Land is not just a physical place in history upon the earth. God claims to Himself be that land.
Ezek. 11:16

Got Questions mentions this take:

God’s eternal Promised Land is the heritage of all who come to Him through His Son (John 14:6).

https://www.gotquestions.org/Promised-Land.html

The Eternal/Everlasting Promised Land is not the land of Palestine; it is not a physical location upon this earth. It is a destination upon the New Earth that will come after this one. It is a spiritual location. A spiritual destination for all who are approved of God in the afterlife.

 

[theWind]

No sir, you are gonna love this, it is not the end, rather more like a beginning. When Jesus hands the Kingdom over to his God and Father, then we will have been brought back to the point just prior to the sin of Adam. All will have been set straight, then satan will be released from the abyss, and living mankind will undergo the test as perfect Adam and Eve had to. After a period of time, satan and those who choose to disobey God, will be permanently destroyed. That is it in a nutshell. Everlasting/eternal life does not end Wind. Rev 20

I do love it.

It's not Biblical, though.

The mainstream interpretation of Rev. 20 is not supported by the Bible as a whole. All of the major end times passages contradict it. Even Jesus and Paul contradict it.

It's an interesting idea, but not a very desirable one. Who wants to endure until Christ returns then have another 1,000 years upon this fallen earth only to be then tormented by the devil once again? It's a soul-crushing, and faith-killing, false doctrine. And many have left the faith for the cause of doctrines such as this. It was established to support other false doctrines and doesn't support the full, accurate, story of the Bible in the least.

 

[Consecrated Life]

There will already be Israelites occupying the land given them when Jesus returns.
Where else would expect to find Israelites when Christ returns , Japan ?
The "Given back" premise of this thread is based in a fundamental lack of biblical understanding.
The major change that will take place the day of Christ's return is HOW they will occupy the land.
Up until then they will be under constant threat of violence & death, but upon His return they will occupy the land in peace & safety.
We are talking about Israelites that are in Christ at this point by the way .

Zec 3:9
................... I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
Zec 3:10
In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I do love it.

It's not Biblical, though.

The mainstream interpretation of Rev. 20 is not supported by the Bible as a whole. All of the major end times passages contradict it. Even Jesus and Paul contradict it.

It's an interesting idea, but not a very desirable one. Who wants to endure until Christ returns then have another 1,000 years upon this fallen earth only to be then tormented by the devil once again? It's a soul-crushing, and faith-killing, false doctrine. And many have left the faith for the cause of doctrines such as this. It was established to support other false doctrines and doesn't support the full, accurate, story of the Bible in the least.

Scripture corresponds to revelation 20.The problem is you don't comprehend scripture.
If you read Ezekiel 37-39 then you have read revelation 20.

Gog mentioned in revelation 20 is the exact same God in Ezekiel 38-39.
The resurrection in revelation 20:4 is the same resurrection in Ezekiel 37.

The 1000 begins after the beast is destroyed and the saints inherit that kingdom.The kingdom of the beast is destroyed by fire but the land recovers from that war.

These people living in safety are the resurected saints in revelation 20.The war mentioned in the following verse is Armageddon.

Ezekiel 38:8
After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

There will already be Israelites occupying the land given them when Jesus returns.
Where else would expect to find Israelites when Christ returns , Japan ?
The "Given back" premise of this thread is based in a fundamental lack of biblical understanding.
The major change that will take place the day of Christ's return is HOW they will occupy the land.
Up until then they will be under constant threat of violence & death, but upon His return they will occupy the land in peace & safety.
We are talking about Israelites that are in Christ at this point by the way .

Zec 3:9
................... I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
Zec 3:10
In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.

I agree.
But there will be those who simply don't understand just how safe those saints who dwell in the land of Israel are at that time.Gog and his mighty army definitely dont have a clue.

Ezekiel 38:14
Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it?

You can't get anymore safe when you can't even suffer a second death.No need for walls or weapons.

 

[Charlie24]

Do you take into account that the Bible implies a spiritual Israel/jews and a spiritual Promised Land?

Or do you completely dismiss that notion altogether?

Are you familiar with what Jesus says to the jews in John 8:37, 39?

He says He knows they are Abraham's seed, but they are not Abraham's children.

That declares that there are two types of Abraham's offspring; a physical and a spiritual.

As many point out the everlasting nature of the covenant, that can only be possible if there is a land that will endure beyond the time of the destruction of the earth; a land that must exist in the Heavenly Kingdom after this world is gone.

The Promised Land is not just a physical place in history upon the earth. God claims to Himself be that land.
Ezek. 11:16

Got Questions mentions this take:

https://www.gotquestions.org/Promised-Land.html

The Eternal/Everlasting Promised Land is not the land of Palestine; it is not a physical location upon this earth. It is a destination upon the New Earth that will come after this one. It is a spiritual location. A spiritual destination for all who are approved of God in the afterlife.

I do' NOT deny that the Gentiles who have been grafted into covenant with the Jews will have an inheritance with the Jews.

If you notice, the Land is divided among the Tribes of Israel, although Gentiles will be present on that Land.

There are no covenants made with the Gentiles, we have been grafted into Israel's covenant, as Paul has plainly told us. "The wild olive branch grafted into the natural olive tree."

 

[Charlie24]

I do' NOT deny that the Gentiles who have been grafted into covenant with the Jews will have an inheritance with the Jews.

If you notice, the Land is divided among the Tribes of Israel, although Gentiles will be present on that Land.

There are no covenants made with the Gentiles, we have been grafted into Israel's covenant, as Paul has plainly told us. "The wild olive branch grafted into the natural olive tree."

Let me also mention this while I'm at it.

The Church (Gentiles for the most part) must always remember that we are God's second choice.

God didn't choose the Gentiles and call them to bear the Law of Moses, neither did he call the Gentiles to bear the Son of God. But He chose Israel, a people made by Him for the purpose of evangelizing the world.

He made promises to faithful Abraham of his natural seed, Israel, that will be fulfilled on God's promise to this one man.

We Gentiles are Abraham's seed by faith, not by nature. We are included in this inheritance, but the land is promised to the natural seed of Abraham, although they will share it with the gentiles.

 

[Highway54]

I do love it.

It's not Biblical, though.

The mainstream interpretation of Rev. 20 is not supported by the Bible as a whole. All of the major end times passages contradict it. Even Jesus and Paul contradict it.

It's an interesting idea, but not a very desirable one. Who wants to endure until Christ returns then have another 1,000 years upon this fallen earth only to be then tormented by the devil once again? It's a soul-crushing, and faith-killing, false doctrine. And many have left the faith for the cause of doctrines such as this. It was established to support other false doctrines and doesn't support the full, accurate, story of the Bible in the least.

I understand sir. Time will tell.

 

[theWind]

We are included in this inheritance, but the land is promised to the natural seed of Abraham, although they will share it with the gentiles.

There is no remaining promise to anybody for a physical location on this earth anywhere. That's the point of this thread and there have been many verses/passages posted to support the OP many times.

 

[Charlie24]

There is no remaining promise to anybody for a physical location on this earth anywhere. That's the point of this thread and there have been many verses/passages posted to support the OP many times.

When you come to the point of realizing the land promise was given to Abraham before God created Israel, then you will see that the dealings of God with Israel on the land promise are not based on their behavior.

Yes God gave to Israel and took from Israel, but the promise was to Abraham before Israel became a nation.

God will fulfill HIs promise to faithful Abraham, you can bet lock, stock, and barrel on it!

 

[theWind]

When you come to the point of realizing the land promise was given to Abraham before God created Israel, then you will see that the dealings of God with Israel on the land promise are not based on their behavior.

You can't attain to a level of understanding that supersedes what is written in Scripture.

Israel was Abraham's seed.

"And the Lord appeared to Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: ..."
Gen. 12:7

They lost the land due to their behavior.

"11 Take good heed therefore unto yourselves, that ye love the Lord your God.

12 Else if ye do in any wise go back, and cleave unto the remnant of these nations, even these that remain among you, and shall make marriages with them, and go in unto them, and they to you:

13 Know for a certainty that the Lord your God will no more drive out any of these nations from before you; but they shall be snares and traps unto you, and scourges in your sides, and thorns in your eyes, until ye perish from off this good land which the Lord your God hath given you.

14 And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the Lord your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, and not one thing hath failed thereof.

15 Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the Lord your God promised you; so shall the Lord bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the Lord your God hath given you.

16 When ye have transgressed the covenant of the Lord your God, which he commanded you, and have gone and served other gods, and bowed yourselves to them; then shall the anger of the Lord be kindled against you, and ye shall perish quickly from off the good land which he hath given unto you."
Joshua 23:11-16

Yes God gave to Israel and took from Israel, but the promise was to Abraham before Israel became a nation.

The Promise was to Abraham concerning his seed which came later.

"And the Lord appeared to Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: ..."
Gen. 12:7

God will fulfill HIs promise to faithful Abraham, you can bet lock, stock, and barrel on it!

Abraham will be in the Eternal Promised Land in heaven, if not there already.

Agreed.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

You can't attain to a level of understanding that supersedes what is written in Scripture.

Israel was Abraham's seed.

"And the Lord appeared to Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: ..."
Gen. 12:7

They lost the land due to their behavior.

"11 Take good heed therefore unto yourselves, that ye love the Lord your God.

12 Else if ye do in any wise go back, and cleave unto the remnant of these nations, even these that remain among you, and shall make marriages with them, and go in unto them, and they to you:

13 Know for a certainty that the Lord your God will no more drive out any of these nations from before you; but they shall be snares and traps unto you, and scourges in your sides, and thorns in your eyes, until ye perish from off this good land which the Lord your God hath given you.

14 And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the Lord your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, and not one thing hath failed thereof.

15 Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the Lord your God promised you; so shall the Lord bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the Lord your God hath given you.

16 When ye have transgressed the covenant of the Lord your God, which he commanded you, and have gone and served other gods, and bowed yourselves to them; then shall the anger of the Lord be kindled against you, and ye shall perish quickly from off the good land which he hath given unto you."
Joshua 23:11-16

The Promise was to Abraham concerning his seed which came later.

"And the Lord appeared to Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: ..."
Gen. 12:7

Abraham will be in the Eternal Promised Land in heaven, if not there already.

Agreed.

Christ is abrahams seed.

Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.

The promises were made to Abraham and his seed.The seed is one person and that person is Christ.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

You can't attain to a level of understanding that supersedes what is written in Scripture.

Israel was Abraham's seed.

"And the Lord appeared to Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: ..."
Gen. 12:7

They lost the land due to their behavior.

"11 Take good heed therefore unto yourselves, that ye love the Lord your God.

12 Else if ye do in any wise go back, and cleave unto the remnant of these nations, even these that remain among you, and shall make marriages with them, and go in unto them, and they to you:

13 Know for a certainty that the Lord your God will no more drive out any of these nations from before you; but they shall be snares and traps unto you, and scourges in your sides, and thorns in your eyes, until ye perish from off this good land which the Lord your God hath given you.

14 And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the Lord your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, and not one thing hath failed thereof.

15 Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the Lord your God promised you; so shall the Lord bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the Lord your God hath given you.

16 When ye have transgressed the covenant of the Lord your God, which he commanded you, and have gone and served other gods, and bowed yourselves to them; then shall the anger of the Lord be kindled against you, and ye shall perish quickly from off the good land which he hath given unto you."
Joshua 23:11-16

The Promise was to Abraham concerning his seed which came later.

"And the Lord appeared to Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: ..."
Gen. 12:7

Abraham will be in the Eternal Promised Land in heaven, if not there already.

Agreed.

And Abraham will be in the land that was promised to Abraham.Not some far away planet in the Galaxy .zHe will be in the land of Canaan which was promised to him.

God will keep his promise to give Abraham the land of Canaan.

 

[Consecrated Life]

There will already be Israelites occupying the land given them when Jesus returns.
Where else would expect to find Israelites when Christ returns , Japan ?
The "Given back" premise of this thread is based in a fundamental lack of biblical understanding.
The major change that will take place the day of Christ's return is HOW they will occupy the land.
Up until then they will be under constant threat of violence & death, but upon His return they will occupy the land in peace & safety.
We are talking about Israelites that are in Christ at this point by the way .

Zec 3:9
................... I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
Zec 3:10
In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.